(12-26-2022, 02:24 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]By far the cheapest option for solving the "center problem" for the Mavs is to simply extend Wood. Any other option involves losing the scant assets still available to gain a player who might not even fit as well as Wood.
Extending Wood is a no brainer, but playing him center isn't. They need a Maxi type to play alongside him. Ideally they get a bench option big bodied banger C for those specific matchups.
(12-25-2022, 06:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]On/Off Net: +19.5 (team best)....+9.1 On, -10.4 Off
Mins: 33.7
Pts: 20.4
Rbds: 9.1
Asts: 1.7
Stls: 1.0
Blks: 2.0
FG%: 52.6
3P%: 35.6
FT%: 77.1
Mavs are also 3-2 since Wood became the full time starter. 4-3 since Maxi went down.
Wood is filling up the stat sheet and the stats paint him as a positive presence. I still am unsure whether or not Wood can be a real meaningful winning basketball player, especially in the playoffs.
Let's see how they're faring around the end of January when Wood has more games under his belt as the new starter.
(12-26-2022, 01:03 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs are also 3-2 since Wood became the full time starter. 4-3 since Maxi went down.
Wood is filling up the stat sheet and the stats paint him as a positive presence. I still am unsure whether or not Wood can be a real meaningful winning basketball player, especially in the playoffs.
Let's see how they're faring around the end of January when Wood has more games under his belt as the new starter.
But they are not losing those games in the minutes Wood is playing. To blame Wood for the team being 4-3 is shortsighted.
(12-26-2022, 01:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]But they are not losing those games in the minutes Wood is playing. To blame Wood for the team being 4-3 is shortsighted.
I never said "The Mavs are 4-3 because it is Wood's fault"
I said he's filling up the stat sheet and the stats paint him as a positive presence. But I am dubious on how positive that presence is, and if it's sustainable. Further, if Wood was such a positive presence, I'd expect the Mavs to have been winning his minutes more. The eye test till is showing me that Wood is a talented but flawed player.
Because the sample size is so small, I resigned to wait another month before I made my choice. That was the real meaning of my post. Not "Wood is bad because the Mavs are 4-3"
(12-26-2022, 02:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Further, if Wood was such a positive presence, I'd expect the Mavs to have been winning his minutes more.
They are winning his minutes at +9.1....the best team in the league (BOS) only wins their minutes +6.5.
(12-26-2022, 02:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Because the sample size is so small
(12-26-2022, 02:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]They are winning his minutes at +9.1....the best team in the league (BOS) only wins their minutes +6.5
7 games is relatively nothing in the NBA. Again I'm not poking holes in the veracity of the stats you're using to paint Wood as an infallible starter and is the bedrock of winning.
The stats do show he's performing well. However, my eyes see something else. It's too early to make a judgement in my opinion. History says Wood is an empty stats guy. Another month (ergo: 16 more games, that include guys like Celtics, Pels, Clips x2, Blazers, and Suns) in my opinion should be a big enough sample size to see if this newfound Wood defense is something real or if it's just a passing thing.
(12-26-2022, 02:32 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]History says Wood is an empty stats guy.
I 100% disagree with this.
But I do agree we need to see more games and the frustrating thing to me is that the Mavs are 34 games into the season but have only seen Wood used the way I think he should be for less than 10 games.
(12-26-2022, 02:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]They are winning his minutes at +9.1....the best team in the league (BOS) only wins their minutes +6.5.
Wood has played 31 games. The Mavs are +43 TOTAL FOR THE YEAR when Wood is in the game.
The +43 is acquired by 5 players, not 1, so Wood's share of the +43 would be +8.6 TOTAL FOR THE YEAR, or about +0.28 per game.
(12-26-2022, 02:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I 100% disagree with this.
But I do agree we need to see more games and the frustrating thing to me is that the Mavs are 34 games into the season but have only seen Wood used the way I think he should be for less than 10 games.
I'm curious what you see differently these last 10 games compared to prior? He has played the majority of him minutes with Luka and the only primary difference I see recently is that he has been starting and getting more minutes overall.
(12-26-2022, 05:30 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious what you see differently these last 10 games compared to prior? He has played the majority of him minutes with Luka and the only primary difference I see recently is that he has been starting and getting more minutes overall.
Part of it is the focal point of Wood in the offense, using him as the primary screener (and passer out of the short roll) when he is on the court and not sticking him to stand in the corner.
(12-26-2022, 05:30 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious what you see differently these last 10 games compared to prior? He has played the majority of him minutes with Luka and the only primary difference I see recently is that he has been starting and getting more minutes overall.
You didn’t ask me, but fyi I’m seeing (1) he doesn’t crumble defensively without rim-protecting sidekick Maxi by his side, (2) he makes consistent efforts defensively (even though he doesn’t always make the right decisions), and (3) he passes the ball some—and effectively (which I don’t recall him doing much at all early in the season). Those are major improvements in my view.
STEIN: "Consistent signals emanating from Dallas leading up to this surge [from Christian Wood] have suggested that an extension is unlikely”
Consistent signals (ie, this isn't new). Leading up to (ie, this was already the case BEFORE the recent shift in Wood's minutes and production).
So, regarding the extension that looks so unlikely ...
It would be interesting to know the why (is he demanding more than 17M? or is the next deal he wants allowed within the 17M extension limit, but the Mavs don't think he's worth whatever his number is?).
It would also be interesting to know the when (was any extension always going to be less than he would accept? or was there ever a window when an extension would have been possible, but Mavs didn't offer it).
It would also be interesting to know the so then what the Mavs are operating under (are the Mavs still hoping an extension might happen and working toward that end? or are the Mavs trying to raise his trade value? or are the Mavs working to try to make him a true max player so that it would make sense to re-sign him at his number in the summer, whatever it might be? or are they hoping that the market for him is lower than he is expecting in the summer where they can get him at a number they like, but that he currently thinks is too low?)
(12-26-2022, 06:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]STEIN: "Consistent signals emanating from Dallas leading up to this surge [from Christian Wood] have suggested that an extension is unlikely”
Consistent signals (ie, this isn't new). Leading up to (ie, this was already the case BEFORE the recent shift in Wood's minutes and production).
So, regarding the extension that looks so unlikely ...
It would be interesting to know the why (is he demanding more than 17M? or is the next deal he wants allowed within the 17M extension limit, but the Mavs don't think he's worth whatever his number is?).
It would also be interesting to know the when (was any extension always going to be less than he would accept? or was there ever a window when an extension would have been possible, but Mavs didn't offer it).
It would also be interesting to know the so then what the Mavs are operating under (are the Mavs still hoping an extension might happen and working toward that end? or are the Mavs trying to raise his trade value? or are the Mavs working to try to make him a true max player so that it would make sense to re-sign him at his number in the summer, whatever it might be? or are they hoping that the market for him is lower than he is expecting in the summer where they can get him at a number they like, but that he currently thinks is too low?)
Gonna be hard to be mad at Luka demanding a trade in a year or 2 if Wood ends up walking for nothing this summer
Actually I'm going to be aggravated if he just lays back and takes the abuse
This is gonna blow up in their faces yet again. Wood will finish the season here and then walk in FA.
I’m not even mad, the writing was on the walls for months. It’s fascinating to see how poorly an NBA team can be run.
Christian Wood’s extension money is likely already earmarked for Dwight Powell and whoever the next genius McGee signing will be.
Wood will be gone by the deadline or will walk for nothing.
Cuban will call out “Twitter GM’s” and his state media will spew the same bullshit. Skin Wade will have another embarrassing radio/podcast rant.
Sorry ass franchise.
(12-26-2022, 07:03 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Christian Wood’s extension money is likely already earmarked for Dwight Powell and whoever the next genius McGee signing will be.
Wood will be gone by the deadline or will walk for nothing.
Cuban will call out “Twitter GM’s” and his state media will spew the same bullshit. Skin Wade will have another embarrassing radio/podcast rant.
Sorry ass franchise.
Outsmarting all of us. Letting the 2nd best player go to get under the tax line. Sell it as a move to get the full MLE in the offseason. Hope that people get caught up in the idea of a shinny new MLE guy and quickly forget how the Mavs got there.
(12-26-2022, 08:02 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [ -> ]Mark Cuban is not going to pay anyone he doesn’t think is the “second star.” He’s too cheap to pay Wood just like he was too cheap to pay Brunson.
And yet has a $160M+ payroll of complete scrubs.
Yeah, I will be interested to know where that Stein story initiated from. Obviously, he is very tight with Dallas. But the defense improvement stat sort of made like it came from someone close to Wood. I believe Cato mentioned a few weeks ago that the team was far apart on what Dallas thought he was and what Wood and his team thought on salary range. He said, and I am just going off memory, that Wood and his team viewed him as a fringe all star type. If that is the case, they are probably looking at John Collins contract range.
My advice for the Mavericks, if he continues his good play and they like what they see is to stay engaged. Even if he doesn't want to sign for 17 million at this point, give him some TLC. Check in with him weekly trying to get him for 17 million. Give him the warm and fuzzies. Make him feel your interest. It appears, this may have been a big negative with Jalen last year. I thought (wrongly) that the Mavs were doing all those things behind the scenes with Jalen. Apparently they did not.
If he plays well here, and he feels like you want to resign him badly during the season, your odds go up dramatically if you decide you want to resign him. Next 5 weeks is huge for Wood and the team. Even if he thinks he is worth much more than 17 million, Dallas needs to make sure they are interested.if that is the case.