Mavericks Talent Composition
1st Round Picks (1-15): Luka (3rd), FN (8th)
1st Round Pick (15-30): JG (18th), McGee (18th), THJ (24th), RB (25th)
2nd Round Picks: SD, DP, DB, Dorsey, Hardy
Undrafted: DFS, CW, MK, FC, TP, MW
NOTE: The guys NOT in the top 9 of minutes per game are in red.
The Mavs start ONE 1st round draft pick, two 2nd round picks, and two undrafted players.
I think things are going to get worse before they get better.
When the team is 9-13 and Kidd is on the hot seat I think we'll some drastic major changes to how the team is being run and if it doesn't work then Kidd is getting the axe.
(11-26-2022, 11:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd is getting the axe
Right now it's my greatest hope for the season.
Kidd can claim the team is getting open looks and its not his fault guys cant make shots. Thats Nico or Marks fault.
I dont think the team has a major issue on defense and Kidd can throw that out as well to defend himself. The paint defense is trash when Maxi doesnt play...but Kidd has everyone else doing pretty good.
Thank you THJ and Bullock. These guys will lead us to a Top-10 pick and there's nothing Kidd can do about it! Keep leaning on these trusted vets please
(11-26-2022, 11:11 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Right now it's my greatest hope for the season.
What about Cuban's history as Mavericks governor gives you any confidence that he'll make a swift and decisive move like that? I'd say Kidd is here for the rest of this season and all of next at the very, very least.
(11-26-2022, 11:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]What about Cuban's history as Mavericks governor gives you any confidence that he'll make a swift and decisive move like that? I'd say Kidd is here for the rest of this season and all of next at the very, very least.
I agree with this.
I'd keep my eye on Jordan Clarkson becoming available. Utah's fast start is fading fast. Kidd's as stubborn at leaning on vets as Carlisle was, makes me think the problem goes higher than him
Three years should be long enough to determine if they are able to recruit players. Assuming the speculation about Kidd and Nico being hired for their connections and great reputations amongst basketball players has any truth.
(11-26-2022, 11:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]What about Cuban's history as Mavericks governor gives you any confidence that he'll make a swift and decisive move like that? I'd say Kidd is here for the rest of this season and all of next at the very, very least.
Oh I don't think it will happen. I am just holding onto the hope that Kidd will fail so miserably that Cuban will be forced to reevaluate things. I am very comfortable with this being a "two steps back" kind of season IF it wakes up Cuban.
(11-27-2022, 12:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I don't think it will happen. I am just holding onto the hope that Cuban will fail so miserably that Cuban will be forced to reevaluate things. I am very comfortable with this being a "two steps back" kind of season IF it wakes up Cuban.
FIFY.
There's nothing in what is going on that could get Cuban to become bothered, since these are Cuban's decisions, and if you are right at all, they are being made in classic Cuban style.
Blow it up completely.
Trade 1
THJ/Bertans/ Suns + 76ers 2023 1st round pick (coming from the next trade) to Magic
Wood to the Suns
Fultz/Isaac/Crowder/Saric to the Mavs
Why for the Mavs? Get rid of THJ/Bertans duh.
Why for the Suns? Replace Crowder on strike and 7.6 MPG Saric for huge frontcourt upgrade in a win now situation for a very late 1st round pick, small salary reduction for cheap Sarver
Why for the Magic? Two 1st round pick in a rebuild. Have no use for Isaac (might be crazy and injured) or Fultz (injured) given current roster configuration
Trade 2
Harris/Bitadze/Theis/76ers + Celtics 2023 1st round picks (from Brooklyn + Indiana) + Nets 2028 1st round pick to the Mavs
DFS/McGee/Pinson/Campazzo to the Nets
Powell/Bullock to the Pacers
Why for Mavs? Clean house, full on tank and get three 1st round picks (keep two).
Why for Pacers? Get two rotational players for their play-off push. Theis is out all year. Bitadze gets no minutes. Shed one long-term salary.
Why for Nets? Get DFS for play-off push.
Trade 3
Dinwiddie to the Pelicans
Graham/Temple/Lakers 2024 or 2025 1st round pick (Mavs choice)
Why for Pelicans? Huge player upgrade with positional need in win-now situation and get rid of longer salaries
Why for Mavs? Very valuable 1st round pick and short term-salary reduction.
New Tankericks
Doncic 40.0
Harris 18.6 (expires 2023/2024)
Isaac 17.4 (partial guarantee next year, fully non-guaranteed after 2023/2024)
Fultz 17.0 (partial guarantee 2M after 2022/2023)
Graham 11.5 (2024/2025)
Crowder 10.1 (expiring)
Saric 9.2 (expiring)
Kleber 9.0
Theis 8.7 (team option after 2023/2024)
Temple 5.1 (fully non-guaranteed after 2022/2023)
Bitadze 4.7 (expiring, RFA)
Green 3.0 (expiring, RFA)
Ntillikina 2.0 (expiring)
Hardy 1.0
Young guy 1.0
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$158M
Pass along Crowder to a contender, if you want to get under the tax.
+
2023 Celtics 1st round pick
2024 (with option to defer to 2025) Lakers 1st round pick
2028 Nets 1st round pick
TANK HARD and evaluate the situation of the talent.
Doncic/Fultz/Ntilikina
Green/Graham/Hardy
Crowder/Harris/Temple
Saric/Kleber/Theis
Isaac/Bitadze/Young Guy
Salary for 2024/2025 (guaranteed)
Doncic 43.0
Graham 12.6
Kleber 11.0
Truth is, that IF you wanted to compete and this roster was fully healthy, I´m not even sure it is much worse than our current one.
You keep your own lottery pick in a great draft. You add two future 1st round picks, that I´d rate >50% to be in the lottery with no protections at all.
You shed all bad long-term salary after 2024. You could easily generate signficant cap space in summer 2023, if necessary.
(11-27-2022, 04:40 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]FIFY.
That "fix" doesn't even make any sense. Cuban is not coaching the team. Cuban is not the GM of the team. There are people HE hired in those positions that are failing miserably right now. Those hires Kidd and Nico need to continue to fail if Cuban is going to wake up.
I seriously don't understand your fight against me when I criticize Kidd. When I do so I am criticizing CUBAN ultimately for he made the hire. But to directly blame Cuban for the coaching makes zero sense. KIDD IS COACHING THIS TEAM.
(11-27-2022, 07:45 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]That "fix" doesn't even make any sense. Cuban is not coaching the team. Cuban is not the GM of the team. There are people HE hired in those positions that are failing miserably right now. Those hires Kidd and Nico need to continue to fail if Cuban is going to wake up.
I seriously don't understand your fight against me when I criticize Kidd. When I do so I am criticizing CUBAN ultimately for he made the hire. But to directly blame Cuban for the coaching makes zero sense. KIDD IS COACHING THIS TEAM.
Yes, but who gets the credit or blame for hiring a shoe salesman as GM and a coach with a 183-180 win/loss record in the NBA?
(11-27-2022, 08:16 AM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but who gets the credit or blame for hiring a shoe salesman as GM and a coach with a 183-180 win/loss record in the NBA?
Cuban does. Cuban deserves blame, and I have NEVER said otherwise. But Cuban is not coaching this team right now. That is 100% a fact.
(11-27-2022, 08:16 AM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but who gets the credit or blame for hiring a shoe salesman as GM and a coach with a 183-180 win/loss record in the NBA?
Ouch.
I still had a partial semi on from hope about these two.
You took the wind from my flag.
(11-27-2022, 08:23 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Cuban does. Cuban deserves blame, and I have NEVER said otherwise. But Cuban is not coaching this team right now. That is 100% a fact.
You need to stop being all over the place. Please. Just stop.
On one hand you admit the roster is crap. Then since that can’t be used to blame Kidd you try to blame a Dragic veto on Kidd. When it is pointed out that if Kidd is overstepping his bounds it is on Cuban you then say you never disagreed about that and then jump back to the coching angle and bash Kidd. Back and forth.
When it comes to coaching all this angst is about a 27 year old who has had many stops in his career and never stuck anywhere. But yes let’s blame it on Kidd.
This is not to say Kidd will be a great coach but Cuban and this roster are the biggest issues by a mile. Again if you feel Kidd is meddling in key roster decisions, that is also on Cuban. As I said in another thread, put this roster apart from Luka in a room and give someone a chance to pick one player, and you are guaranteed to get an average to below average NBA player. But let’s ignore that and propose throwing different combinations of sht on the wall and rationalize that’s why we are losing.
(11-27-2022, 10:38 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]You need to stop being all over the place. Please. Just stop.
No. Just no. I am NOT going to stop being "all over the place." The responsibility and blame is nuanced and complicated and complex in this. It isn't as simple as one thing. So I am going to keep highlighting every facet of the diamond when the time is appropriate.
(11-27-2022, 07:45 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]That "fix" doesn't even make any sense. ... Cuban is not the GM of the team. There are people HE hired in those positions that are failing miserably right now. .....
In theory, you may be right, but certainly NOT in practice. From what you are saying, in fact, Cuban is again (or, more likely, still) the GM of the Mavs.
Notice that your personal conspiracy theory as the basis of much of your criticisms (that Kidd is making the GM decisions) is
rooted in the assumption that
Cuban would - and again HAS - hired a GM and then started using his non-GMs to give him the "expertise" for him to decide how to do GM stuff. Even you don't believe Nico is GMing.
This is the same as before. Donnie was supposedly the GM but Cuban began to make the decisions instead, and then get input from others to decide what to do. Instead of Donnie, it might be Rick the coach, it might be Bob V the advisor, and I bet at times Finley or Keith Grant were the source of a decision or three. Now, it's Nico in the Donnie role - the GM who does not decide GM things - and Kidd being listened to supposedly. Cuban is effectively the GM as he determines whose input decides what - the sucky results are on him.
This is not new, the fact that Cuban is micro-managing the front office and controlling the decisions, rather than letting his GM handle the job of GMing. If he hired a sucky GM, that's not an excuse for him taking control, as Cuban's terrible track record in GMing should mandate he gets an expert in the job and delegate it all to that guy. Obviously he did not. It's all on Cuban.
(11-27-2022, 04:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Notice that your personal conspiracy theory as the basis of much of your criticisms (that Kidd is making the GM decisions)
It is not a "conspiracy theory" when it has been reported that he is the driving force behind some of these key decisions recently.
(11-27-2022, 04:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Cuban is effectively the GM
It was reported that the moves this summer were Kidd and Nico, NOT Cuban.
Look, man, I am just going from what the reporters are saying. You can retort with your own conspiracy theories and you can call it "fake news." Whatever, I don't care.