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(06-23-2021, 04:35 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Can Luka win a championship with MCuban as his GM? That is the question.

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My biggest concern with the idea of Cuban being the de facto GM...

We can hope he brings in someone with the help of Forde who ends up being really talented and knows what he's doing, so that we do well in the draft. Perhaps that guy turns out to be really astute in knowing what players we can get in trade and free agency... (note that all of this is "perhaps," because we aren't going to get a primo candidate under the circumstances - it's going to have to be a hopeful up-and-comer who wants a chance, in other words, a total crap shoot)

...but if Cuban ends up even more than with Donnie as being the lead negotiator in trades and free agency, we have no chance whatsoever of building a good team around Luka.

It's the one thing we know that he's pretty much terrible at.

(06-23-2021, 03:48 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs have an owner who is invested in about 100 other things in his life, part timing as GM

I think this is THE single best argument against Cuban. All the other arguments IMO don't really hold much water and tend to be sensationalism. 

I think the worst thing moving forward would be what has transpired in the last few years with Cuban being MORE distant from the everyday life of the team. If he is going to make the final calls then I think he needs to be ALL IN and not spreading himself into a bunch of other things. My hope is that he will realize his distance in the last few years allowed a festering dysfunction among those who were "in power."

Highlights from Take Dat Wit You Pod -- Dameris and Followill
Updates on General Situation

Pres and GM

Brian and Mark consider it "almost certain" that Finley will be one of the two new executives and that an outsider will be the other. 

They think Fin is likely to be the new President. A new position of General Manager will be created. The General Manager will presumably report to the President, as opposed to being an equal voice.

No experienced GM or President worth his salt is going to want to come here to fill the President position and have to worry about having to run everything by Mark, etc., so Finley makes the most sense for that position, as he is already comfortable with Mark having control. He has been groomed for the role for the last several years, and is respected in the locker room. 

Equally, no experienced GM is going to come here as a lateral move to work for Finley and Mark, so the likely new GM will be an up-and-coming guy who is an assistant somewhere else and would like to move up. Maybe a Shane Battier type. Someone who is very smart, well regarded in the front office ranks, analytics-driven, with older guys blocking his path in his current organization. The GM will do things like develop strategy, have useful connections, make day-to-day calls, run the draft, run the scouting department, etc. Doesn't have to be a cap expert -- Donnie wasn't. Might add some recruiting skills in terms of free agents.
 
Coach

Getting a new coach is a smaller hole to fill than the management positions. Anyone could see Luka's frustrations with Rick, and the situation had gotten untenable.  It is probably just as well to have a new voice, despite everyone's respect for Rick. 

Followill thinks the new guy will be Mosley. They will have to work out all the issues with Mark if they try for an experienced head coach, while Mosley is already used to that. Luka also likes him. If it isn't Mosley, Jamahl might still stay here as the defensive coordinator if he doesn't get a HC opportunity and they give him a nice raise. If it is Mosley, they will need to hire some more seasoned assistants to fill in where Moze is lacking experience. They think Barea is likely. Maybe even Jet, who, however, thinks he is ready to be the head coach. 

Dirk

What is Dirk's role, really? Undefined, and not full-time, but Dirk is taking it seriously. Will give the team his reading of the league, the locker room, Luka, etc. Not necessarily going to be just a pretty face. 
 
Luka

Issues have been raised as to Luka's coach-ability. He is a volatile guy, impetuous, and runs hot. Probably will be outbursts from time to time. But he is coachable, in their view. He will need to be managed with a firm hand, and it would be a mistake to allow him to ride roughshod over his colleagues. Probably, different guys will need to take him in hand and talk to him from time to time -- maybe Dirk, the sports psychologist, Finley, Barea, for example. 

Mosley actually has a good manner as far as conveying tough messages in a palatable way. And someone like Casey Smith might serve as a guy who can just sit and listen while he rants. Luka is not a bad kid, just very emotional, and Mosley can probably mostly deal with that. 

Rick 

Would have been nice to get a draft pick for him, but not that big a deal one way or another. Unknown what all the negotiations were, and Mark wants to look like a nice guy in the deal. 



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(06-23-2021, 08:07 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe even Jet, who, however, thinks he is ready to be the head coach. 

(06-23-2021, 08:07 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Highlights from Take Dat Wit You Pod -- Dameris and Followill
Updates on General Situation

Pres and GM

Brian and Mark consider it "almost certain" that Finley will be one of the two new executives and that an outsider will be the other. 

They think Fin is likely to be the new President. A new position of General Manager will be created. The General Manager will presumably report to the President, as opposed to being an equal voice.

No experienced GM or President worth his salt is going to want to come here to fill the President position and have to worry about having to run everything by Mark, etc., so Finley makes the most sense for that position, as he is already comfortable with Mark having control. He has been groomed for the role for the last several years, and is respected in the locker room. 

Equally, no experienced GM is going to come here as a lateral move to work for Finley and Mark, so the likely new GM will be an up-and-coming guy who is an assistant somewhere else and would like to move up. Maybe a Shane Battier type. Someone who is very smart, well regarded in the front office ranks, analytics-driven, with older guys blocking his path in his current organization. The GM will do things like develop strategy, have useful connections, make day-to-day calls, run the draft, run the scouting department, etc. Doesn't have to be a cap expert -- Donnie wasn't. Might add some recruiting skills in terms of free agents.
 
Coach

Getting a new coach is a smaller hole to fill than the management positions. Anyone could see Luka's frustrations with Rick, and the situation had gotten untenable.  It is probably just as well to have a new voice, despite everyone's respect for Rick. 

Followill thinks the new guy will be Mosley. They will have to work out all the issues with Mark if they try for an experienced head coach, while Mosley is already used to that. Luka also likes him. If it isn't Mosley, Jamahl might still stay here as the defensive coordinator if he doesn't get a HC opportunity and they give him a nice raise. If it is Mosley, they will need to hire some more seasoned assistants to fill in where Moze is lacking experience. They think Barea is likely. Maybe even Jet, who, however, thinks he is ready to be the head coach. 

Dirk

What is Dirk's role, really? Undefined, and not full-time, but Dirk is taking it seriously. Will give the team his reading of the league, the locker room, Luka, etc. Not necessarily going to be just a pretty face. 
 
Luka

Issues have been raised as to Luka's coach-ability. He is a volatile guy, impetuous, and runs hot. Probably will be outbursts from time to time. But he is coachable, in their view. He will need to be managed with a firm hand, and it would be a mistake to allow him to ride roughshod over his colleagues. Probably, different guys will need to take him in hand and talk to him from time to time -- maybe Dirk, the sports psychologist, Finley, Barea, for example. 

Mosley actually has a good manner as far as conveying tough messages in a palatable way. And someone like Casey Smith might serve as a guy who can just sit and listen while he rants. Luka is not a bad kid, just very emotional, and Mosley can probably mostly deal with that. 

Rick 

Would have been nice to get a draft pick for him, but not that big a deal one way or another. Unknown what all the negotiations were, and Mark wants to look like a nice guy in the deal. 



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So the hierarchy will be

Cuban Owner -->
Finley President -->
Unknown rookie GM -->
Coach

No draft compensation for Carlisle is no big deal.

To sum up this podcast...

@"mavsluvr", is it weird summarizing your own podcast?

(06-23-2021, 08:16 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]So the hierarchy will be

Cuban Owner -->
Finley President -->
Unknown rookie GM -->
Coach

No draft compensation for Carlisle is no big deal.

Don't forget Voulgaris.

(06-23-2021, 08:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"mavsluvr", is it weird summarizing your own podcast?

Go ahead, laugh. 

You try summarizing podcasts when you're just a few old brain cells in a tank of formaldehyde.

(06-23-2021, 08:29 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]You try summarizing podcasts when you're just a few old brain cells in a tank of formaldehyde.

   

(06-23-2021, 08:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

   

hahahahaha

Give up, @"mavsluvr". I am impervious to your misdirection. 

(06-23-2021, 08:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Give up, @"mavsluvr". I am impervious to your misdirection. 

LOLOL

I like JJ and Jet here as assistants. I'm 100% convinced backup pgs in the JJ profile make the best coaches. He's a PNR genius and really understands the nuances of the game because he had to.... I would not be surprised to see JJ be a head coach one day if he wants to go that route. 

Terry I'm not as sure that he's going to be a good coach. But as a low level assistant if he wants to come back home, I'd love to have him and give him a chance. 

We need legit assistants tho too.... I still think Stotts is an assistant here if he doesn't get a HC job if it's Mosley.

(06-23-2021, 08:41 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I still think Stotts is an assistant here if he doesn't get a HC job if it's Mosley.

Maybe, but I'd guess he'll follow Carlisle, his teacher. If Carlisle is coaching of course. 

Although...I suppose any experienced coach who can't land a gig this year might view an assistant job behind Mosley as a toehold here. They'd be poised to strike if Mosley flames out. It's not the worst strategy.

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Is it wrong that I want JET after reading ML's post? 

I mean, if the front office isn't going to be stacked with established pros, let's get weird with it. JET is my 2nd favorite Man of all time, and he can take the team to the trophy tattoo shop during training camp.

(06-23-2021, 08:41 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]I still think Stotts is an assistant here if he doesn't get a HC job if it's Mosley.

His named has been mentioned, for sure. I don't know if I see it. I could almost see Stotts sitting out a year rather than coming here and being an assistant to a young guy and dealing with all the organizational fallout. But who knows? Stranger things have happened.

(06-23-2021, 08:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, if the front office isn't going to be stacked with established pros, let's get weird with it. JET is my 2nd favorite Man of all time, and he can take the team to the trophy tattoo shop during training camp.

haha


He'd be a pistol. I hear that he's going to be the fourth-quarter coach.

(06-23-2021, 08:07 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]They think Fin is likely to be the new President. A new position of General Manager will be created. The General Manager will presumably report to the President, as opposed to being an equal voice.

Finley makes the most sense for that position, as he is already comfortable with Mark having control. He has been groomed for the role for the last several years, and is respected in the locker room. 

 likely new GM will be an up-and-coming guy who is an assistant somewhere else and would like to move up. Maybe a Shane Battier type. Someone who is very smart, well regarded in the front office ranks, analytics-driven, with older guys blocking his path in his current organization. The GM will do things like develop strategy, have useful connections, make day-to-day calls, run the draft, run the scouting department, etc. Doesn't have to be a cap expert -- Donnie wasn't. Might add some recruiting skills in terms of free agents.
 


Getting a new coach is a smaller hole to fill than the management positions. Anyone could see Luka's frustrations with Rick, and the situation had gotten untenable.  It is probably just as well to have a new voice, despite everyone's respect for Rick. 

Followill thinks the new guy will be Mosley....If it is Mosley, they will need to hire some more seasoned assistants to fill in where Moze is lacking experience. They think Barea is likely. 

@"mavsluvr" thank you so much for the summary, so good.

I actually LOVE what I am hearing in all this. I think it is the best of both worlds in regard to total shakeup while still having continuity. 

My favorite parts:

1) New President being ABOVE the GM. A clear hierarchy. Thank God!

2) Fin being well liked and respected makes him perfect for that job AND he probably doesn't think of himself as a GM.

3) I actually like the idea of an up and comer in the GM spot with really fresh ideas and perspectives and trusting of the analytics. Glad this guy will get to run the draft. HUGE. 

4) The recognition that the coaching hole isn't a big one. I think the Mavs won't really lose a step with this change.

5) I have seen enough of Mosley with Luka to trust Mosley totally. Mosley is kind and listening and yet brave enough to slap Luka in the face. Great combo.

6) I LOVE the idea of JJB being an assistant there to be in Luka's ear all the time. FANTASTIC.


This is all such encouraging news to me.

(06-23-2021, 08:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe, but I'd guess he'll follow Carlisle, his teacher. If Carlisle is coaching of course. 

Although...I suppose any experienced coach who can't land a gig this year might view an assistant job behind Mosley as a toehold here. They'd be poised to strike if Mosley flames out. It's not the worst strategy.

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Is it wrong that I want JET after reading ML's post? 

I mean, if the front office isn't going to be stacked with established pros, let's get weird with it. JET is my 2nd favorite Man of all time, and he can take the team to the trophy tattoo shop during training camp.

Possibly? I would think he would get quite a nice contract here to be a lead assistant if you go with Mosley as the HC. you want a legit experienced guy to help him. I'm a fan for all young coaches to have this btw. Not as a replacement option as you suggested tho. 

Mosley and Stotts are both long time Karl and Carlisle assistants. So their basketball pedigree/philosophy are likely very similar.