(06-23-2021, 01:42 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Jake (paraphrase): The Stein and Townsend articles yesterday confirm that Mark is and will be THE decision maker regarding basketball (on court) transactions.
We all sorta knew this before but didn't KNOW it.
This is Cuban pushing in his chips on his organization structure at a more consequential moment than even 2012.
This move (keeping the status quo), and whether it works or not will determine whether Luka resigns in 5 years and what the org/fan relationship will be going forward.
Are we 100% sure to have Luka for 5 years?
(06-23-2021, 10:50 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I think this may be true, but it doesn’t have to be true. I mean, how long does it take for all the decision makers to get together and figure out the needs and wants (skill-wise) for the team. That can also be a part of the interview process. Once that is decided on, they would most assuredly have a list of the known quantities throughout the league, then it comes down to projections of who might be able to fit those skillsets.
I feel like some of that could happen in about a week to be prepared for the draft. Sure there might be some fly by the seat of your pants decisions to make, but that comes with the territory of jumping on breaking news for all FOs.
First strategy needs to be decided and there is a huge amount of key questions: trade KP or not, trade Brunson or not, what to do with Powell, will JRich opt in or not, what to do if he does, who to draft if you get any pick in potential trades, go over or under the cap,...? I guess the best scenario depends a lot on what can be done on the market. Which trades are available, which free agents want to come,... It is totally impossible that a new guy waltzes in, takes 6 calls and that's it. He needs time.
I believe teams are tampering as hell and discussions are going on all the time. Same goes for trades. Mavs GM is missing all this. Assuming he will be the one working. If not, I guess I will be rooting for new team in 3-4 years. New York might be in prime position if they play it smart. At least most of the games will be played earlier for me
(06-23-2021, 02:11 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Are we 100% sure to have Luka for 5 years?
He hasn't signed, so no. The plugged in folks seem to be fairly sure he signs this contract.
(06-23-2021, 02:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]He hasn't signed, so no. The plugged in folks seem to be fairly sure he signs this contract.
He will sign. That does not guarantee you'll have him for five years or even four if the fifth year is a player option.
We certainly don't have time for "Plan 2022", which turns in to "23", then "24"....
Plan powder is out of time.
(06-23-2021, 02:26 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]We certainly don't have time for "Plan 2022", which turns in to "23", then "24"....
Plan powder is out of time.
I could see a possible 2023 Jokic plan.
(06-23-2021, 02:34 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]I could see a possible 2023 Jokic plan.
And that might be what Mark thinks. History says it probably is.
I get that this is a "what have you done for me lately" league but the teams that have not won an NBA Championship are: the Indiana Pacers, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Memphis Grizzlies, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Clippers, Denver Nuggets Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Cuban may swing for the fences and strike out a lot, but he's certainly hit his fair share of some home runs. In fact, 2011 and drafting Luka were thrilling grand slams.
Some might argue the Mavs would be better off hitting singles and doubles than swinging for the fences. But that's certainly not the trend in real baseball.
This is all tied to analytics and as a result, developing hitters on their way to the bigs are taught to swing to hit the ball out of the park. Strikeouts are no longer viewed as egregious; they’re just outs.
Shouldn't we think of building a championship roster the same way? Does it matter that the Mavs struck out with JRich? Would it have been better if JRich were good, only to lose in the first round? No, the Mavs are just out, either way.
So we move on to next year, step back into the batter's box and swing hard again.
(06-23-2021, 02:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]And that might be what Mark thinks. History says it probably is.
I guess we will know if they trade KP for someone whos contract ends in 2023.
(06-23-2021, 02:45 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Shouldn't we think of building a championship roster the same way?
Not sure. The 2011 roster wasn't really built by hitting multiple home runs. Dirk was a home run and then the rest was built by trial and error based tweaking over the years.
Now Luka is a home run. They re-did the Dirk part. That's awesome. Now with Luka on the team, I don't think you can just swing for the fences. I think you have to smartly build around your superstar. If you're waiting for another homerun, well, that might not happen again during Luka's stay.
(06-23-2021, 02:04 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]he's doubling down on his own ability to put together a basketball team
I think this is the wrong framing. I think this is more accurate:
"He's doubling down on his own ability
to synthesize the suggestions and information he is given by the experts around him to put together a basketball team."
Again, there is NOTHING wrong with this. In fact, if he is THE point man through which everything runs then that is better then the craziness of the last few years where I am pretty sure Cuban was not THE point man (otherwise the MIA trade debacle never happens as an example).
(06-23-2021, 02:45 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]I get that this is a "what have you done for me lately" league but the teams that have not won an NBA Championship are: the Indiana Pacers, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Memphis Grizzlies, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Clippers, Denver Nuggets Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Most of those teams have a better core than the Mavericks do today. That matters in terms of veteran ring chasers.
(06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Most of those teams have a better core than the Mavericks do today.
I guess my point is, if your goal is a championship, who really cares if one team has a "better core" than another. They're all sitting at home watching the playoffs with you and me. Maybe the Mavs struck out swinging. Maybe Utah hit some singles and doubles and their inning ended with a grounder to short. Who cares if both teams are out?
(06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]... the last few years where I am pretty sure Cuban was not THE point man (otherwise the MIA trade debacle never happens as an example).
What about the MIA thing makes you think Cuban was NOT involved and in control?
(06-23-2021, 02:23 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]He will sign. That does not guarantee you'll have him for five years or even four if the fifth year is a player option.
Remember, the extension signed now kicks in AFTER next season. So assuming he signs, Dallas will have him locked up for 5 years with the 6th year as a (very likely) player option.
(06-23-2021, 03:32 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]I guess my point is, if your goal is a championship, who really cares if one team has a "better core" than another. They're all sitting at home watching the playoffs with you and me. Maybe the Mavs struck out swinging. Maybe Utah hit some singles and doubles and their inning ended with a grounder to short. Who cares if both teams are out?
Luka probably cares. Young has made it to the conference finals. Ayton will probably be in the Finals. It wouldn't surprise me if Jaren Jackson Jr and the Grizzlies have more success than the Mavs in the coming year. Those are his draft contemporaries. A good core helps your team win. Winning helps you attract more talent or gives you the flexibility to trade for greater talent.
Always swinging for the fences and never making contact is going to get your butt sent to the minor leagues or in Mark's case, is going to see a generational talent walk out the door because you couldn't build a team properly.
(06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is the wrong framing. I think this is more accurate:
"He's doubling down on his own ability to synthesize the suggestions and information he is given by the experts around him to put together a basketball team."
Again, there is NOTHING wrong with this. In fact, if he is THE point man through which everything runs then that is better then the craziness of the last few years where I am pretty sure Cuban was not THE point man (otherwise the MIA trade debacle never happens as an example).
I don't think my characterization is wrong just because I didn't include the middle part. Cuban is the decision maker. However, I think your characterization is fine. But the problem I have with this reality is twofold.
1) His desire to be the decision maker means that the best GMs won't come here. This means that the experts that Cuban will rely on most likely won't be as good as the experts that won't come here.
2) His desire to be the decision maker means that he will ultimately make the decision. And I think that most likely he won't make decisions that are as good as the decisions that would be made by the experts that won't come here.
To add to that: I think Gump is correct when he says that Cuban's abilities are the ceiling for the team.
(06-23-2021, 02:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]The 2011 roster wasn't really built by hitting multiple home runs.
Beg to differ.
Home run: Shawn Marion trade to Mavs in complicated four-team trade
Home run: Mavs essentially paying $11 million and two first-round picks to trade Devin Harris for JKidd.
Home run: Mavs six-player trade getting Tyson Chandler back to Dallas
Home run: Antoine Walker for Jason Terry
There were other genius moves netting role players Peja, Brewer, Stevenson, Haywood etc. All contributed significantly.
(06-23-2021, 03:36 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, the extension signed now kicks in AFTER next season. So assuming he signs, Dallas will have him locked up for 5 years with the 6th year as a (very likely) player option.
Good point. But my point still stands, even with a contract, if he wants out, where there is a will, there is a way.