Somebody cheer me up please.
What
The
Hell
(06-22-2021, 02:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Big agree here.
Usually, when teams go through a rebuild like this one, complete with lottery swings, the 2nd one doesn't work. And when it does, it takes a while to figure out that it has worked, and by the time the team knows it's time to get serious there are like 3-4 Dennis Smith Jr types sitting around. Even if those guys are only used as trade fodder (see Lakers), they help expedite the process comfortably.
Luka was almost too good too soon for the Mavs' own good.
Mavs could have stick to their timeline tbh.
They didn't, and it was their choice. They decided midway through his rookie season that we had enough rebuild.
(06-22-2021, 05:29 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Your favourite Luka destinations?
Return of the SuperSonics with KD and Russ. 
Luka takes over MSG!
Euro Jordan in Chicago?
The most upsetting part: it will be via free agency and the Mavs won’t get even a single pick in return. Cuban will „go down fighting“. And loose.
I feel bad for Luka. The. will ruin multiple all nba seasons with their BS before he can finally bolt.
(06-22-2021, 05:23 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]Somebody cheer me up please.
What
The
Hell
I mean, I could try to cheer you up...but it would have to be with something not related to the Mavs.
(06-22-2021, 05:29 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Your favourite Luka destinations?
Return of the SuperSonics with KD and Russ.
Luka takes over MSG!
Euro Jordan in Chicago?
Hold on a sec. You've been trumpeting the greatness of the current direction of the Mavs.
(06-22-2021, 05:32 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]The most upsetting part: it will be via free agency and the Mavs won’t get even a single pick in return. Cuban will „go down fighting“. And loose.
I feel bad for Luka. The. will ruin multiple all nba seasons with their BS before he can finally bolt.
If they hire Finley and Mosley, this could be the most interesting rookie extension ever.
I don´t think Luka really wants to play this out on the QO, but no way, I´m happy to sign a 4+1 extension with this sh*thole either. Especially considering his agent doesn´t have the highest opinion of Cuban already.
Maybe I get just $70-150M secured in the bank. Then I trust the NBA cap will explode in a post-COVID world and I can sign a max contract against a $135-140M cap with any team I want.
That´s the part nobody has discussed yet. It´s always like QO +leave immediately or 4+1 years.
What if Luka says I´m good with a 2+1 (player option) extension. That means the Mavs only get 24 months guaranteed until he can become an UFA, which means he can apply trade pressure as early as 12 months into the deal.
(06-22-2021, 05:34 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, I could try to cheer you up...but it would have to be with something not related to the Mavs.
Hold on a sec. You've been trumpeting the greatness of the current direction of the Mavs.
I´m really bored of your BS to be honest. Just like you claimed my Mavs GM/rebuilding strategy was build around rookies & g-leaguers ( so I didn´t even bother responding to that anymore). Now you post this BS. I want real change, not the same stuff with different names. I have made both abundantly clear.
So since your whole recent post history seems to instigate crap like with Kammrath and his narratives, you can save that BS for others. I have no interest in talking about your meta messageboard posting culture, while you contribute absolutely nothing in terms of actual basketball related content.
Luka signing doesn't mean anything. He can always demand a trade. He can always say before he agrees to sign, that he will only sign if the team is competitive and if they are not, they'll agree to move him (See Presti and Paul George). That's a long winded way of saying that I'm sure he'll sign and that signing should give you zero comfort of his long term future.
My reactions:
1) I think it is a bummer that Cuban wouldn't consider someone like Ujiri. I think someone like Ujiri would have been great for the organization.
2) I also get why he won't consider giving up his final say on decisions. This is his baby after all and he relishes being involved in the process. I cannot fault him for that.
3) As long as Cuban learns better WHO to listen to, then this news isn't that big a deal IMO. I am 100% convinced that Cuban LISTENS to the people/advisors around him and all the reporting points to that. So the thing moving forward is getting the right kind of people, with the right approaches and wisdom around Cuban and getting the dysfunctional power struggles out. Maybe RC and/or Donnie really were vying for power within the Mavs organization and their removal will clean things up. Hard for us to really know until some time passes and the new blood is in place.
4) As I have said elsewhere, I am still 100% ok with Finley becoming the "face" of the GMing for the Mavs. He would probably do a much better job of staying in his lane than Donnie. I think the key would be assembling a team of analysts and scouts around him that could offer the wisdom needed on personnel decisions. And most importantly a clear and unambiguous decision making tree.
5) Dirk clearly believes in Cuban enough to attach his image and legacy to Cuban. Even if people cannot give Cuban the benefit of the doubt, I think they should give the genuinely good guys like Dirk and Fin the benefit of the doubt. If Cuban was all toxicity and dysfunction I believe that they would have distanced themselves from him.
(06-22-2021, 06:05 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]My reactions:
1) I think it is a bummer that Cuban wouldn't consider someone like Ujiri. I think someone like Ujiri would have been great for the organization.
2) I also get why he won't consider giving up his final say on decisions. This is his baby after all and he relishes being involved in the process. I cannot fault him for that.
3) As long as Cuban learns better WHO to listen to, then this news isn't that big a deal IMO. I am 100% convinced that Cuban LISTENS to the people/advisors around him and all the reporting points to that. So the thing moving forward is getting the right kind of people, with the right approaches and wisdom around Cuban and getting the dysfunctional power struggles out. Maybe RC and/or Donnie really were vying for power within the Mavs organization and their removal will clean things up. Hard for us to really know until some time passes and the new blood is in place.
4) As I have said elsewhere, I am still 100% ok with Finley becoming the "face" of the GMing for the Mavs. He would probably do a much better job of staying in his lane than Donnie. I think the key would be assembling a team of analysts and scouts around him that could offer the wisdom needed on personnel decisions. And most importantly a clear and unambiguous decision making tree.
5) Dirk clearly believes in Cuban enough to attach his image and legacy to Cuban. Even if people cannot give Cuban the benefit of the doubt, I think they should give the genuinely good guys like Dirk and Fin the benefit of the doubt. If Cuban was all toxicity and dysfunction I believe that they would have distanced themselves from him.
My fear of staying within the organization for these hires is that Finley/Cuban have been core players in our poor drafting and recruiting. Finley being the GM might help with doing business with other teams, but those other two pillars really could have used a fresh pair of eyes and a new presence.
Dirk's legacy will be fine no matter what. Jordan's playing legacy certainly hasn't been affected by his less than stellar stint as an owner/GM. Dirk is also loyal to a fault. It's why we love him.
(06-22-2021, 06:05 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe RC and/or Donnie really were vying for power within the Mavs organization and their removal will clean things up. Hard for us to really know until some time passes and the new blood is in place.
Vying for power? They were the GM and Coach. They complained about the new guy usurping them. That's not "vying for power"!
(06-22-2021, 06:05 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He would probably do a much better job of staying in his lane than Donnie.
Staying in his lane? Like, the GM lane? The engaging with other GMs lane? Or like Rick, staying in his lane of constructing lineups and talking to players during the game?
I can't imagine how any argument can be made that anyone other than Bob swerved in to other people's lanes. Were Donnie and Rick messing with Bob's spreadsheets?
DanSchwartzgan
Forde is credited with three POBO/GM searches in the Ringer article. The article says his process takes about a month. Here are the time frames for each credited search.
SAC 1 Month: McNair (Rose through the ranks to Asst. GM under Morey)
NO 2 Months: Griffin (Was GM in Cleveland)
WASH 3.5 Months: Sheppard (Internal Hire)
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I've updated a post from yesterday on the duration of the search to focus more on where the hires came from. Sheppard was an internal hire (like Finley would be). Interestingly, Washington has since hired Rod Thorn to be Special Advisor To The GM.
POBO Griffin added Trajan Langdon as GM about a month after he was hired. Before that, Langdon was assistant GM in Brooklyn
In Sacramento GM McNair brought in some experienced hands to help (plus Joe Dumars stayed on as Chief Strategy Officer). Wes Wilcox came in as Asst. GM. He actually had a short stint as GM in Atlanta. Phil Jabour came in as VP of Player Personnel. Before that he had been Director of Scouting in Philly.
If Stein is right and it is Finley, then expect to see some old hand involved in some way to help him get going and some promotions from other teams thought to be good at scouting or pro-personnel or analytics or something. An infusion of outside perspective.
(06-22-2021, 06:29 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status...9061700612
Frankly, that shouldn’t be Mark’s call...I get that he wants to see his friend catch on somewhere else but let the new GM get even a measly second rounder in this draft and see what he can do...I hope Carlisle refuses to go to a team who doesn’t send Dallas any type of compensation.
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