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(05-05-2022, 12:10 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Even with Luka the Mavs stupidly traded a pick instead of taking on a bad contract for like 2 years.

But if they had done that then Cuban would have landed his big fish…oh wait.

(05-05-2022, 12:07 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Don't resign JB.   If you trade what assets you have in Maxi, DFS, Dinwiddie, THJ, look for expiring contracts and picks.  Limp along next season to a lower seed.  Bottom out the following year(s).  Powell, Maxi, Boban, Burke, Brown, Frank and Chriss all  expire next year.  Hope Luka stays along for the ride.

KP was a franchise altering miss and we dug the hole deeper by trading him again.  Rebuilding isn't going to be accomplished in a season.  JB and Luka as your core just enough.   The only good moves the Mavs have made since drafting JB is singing Seth and Bullock.

 Alternatively, Luka can get in immaculate shape and turn the Mavs into Lebron’s first Cleveland team. Talentless supporting cast but well constructed around Lebron and they played hard. This roster you’re taking about is a 20 win team without Luka, at best, and a definite lottery team even with Luka. Hopefully, the Mavs wouldn’t lose a high pick to New York.

(05-05-2022, 12:17 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Alternatively, Luka can get in immaculate shape and turn the Mavs into Lebron’s first Cleveland team. Talentless supporting cast but well constructed around Lebron and they played hard. This roster you’re taking about is a 20 win team without Luka, at best, and a definite lottery team even with Luka. Hopefully, the Mavs wouldn’t lose a high lock to New York.

Talent level is the Eastern Conference was nowhere near what the Current Western Conference is.  LeBron was a much, much, much, much better two way player.  LeBron didn't win a championship until he went to the Heat.  

You can't do anything about the New York pick, it is spilled milk.  As are all other terrible moves that were made to get us to where this roster is today.  Look at the depth on the other playoff teams in the western conference.  Our roster construction, lack of assets and cap situation can let us be on a 1st/2nd round playoff exit for years to come.  If you want to compete for titles, you might need to start over.  It's not going to be a fast process but it's a process that probably should have already been started.  All you do by keeping the status quo is delay the inevitable while eroding Luka's patience.

Championship? I have no championship aspirations right now and just want a competitive team.  Luka can 100% improve his body and gain some emotional maturity to lead this team into a WCF.  But, if it’s a tear down instead, I’d wait until after the Knicks picks are used. Why go through that misery and not even get a pick. Winning 54 games and competing in the 2nd round isn’t that
bad

(05-05-2022, 12:32 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Championship? I have no championship aspirations right now and just want a competitive team.  Luka can 100% improve his body and gain some emotional maturity to lead this team into a WCF.  But, if it’s a tear down instead, I’d wait until after the Knicks picks are used. Why go through that misery and not even get a pick. Winning 54 games and competing in the 2nd round isn’t that
bad

We all need to prepare ourselves.  When the Mavs rebuild they will have 100% traded their 2025 and 2027 picks.  But they will be so close to landing a max FA!!!

(05-05-2022, 12:32 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Championship? I have no championship aspirations right now and just want a competitive team.  Luka can 100% improve his body and gain some emotional maturity to lead this team into a WCF.  But, if it’s a tear down instead, I’d wait until after the Knicks picks are used. Why go through that misery and not even get a pick. Winning 54 games and competing in the 2nd round isn’t that
bad

The goal should be to build a championship contender and we aren't a trade or draft pick away from that.  I guess I'm of the mind that's it's better to be bad instead of middling.  Rebuilds are a years long process is my point.  You need to take opportunities when they are available instead of forcing them.  Kicking the can down the road is about the only thing Cuban and company have shown they are good at in recent memory.

A Suns sweep might not be the worst thing for Luka.  I think he can take a lot of lessons from the season to try and get better.  Maturity and conditioning being the two at the top of my mind.

Some of those dud offseasons since drafting Luka are coming back to bite us here. I'm not surprised Brunson is struggling so much in this series, the Suns have a lot of long wing guys they can throw at him just like the Clippers did. Dinwiddie has better size but has been disappointing in this series. Phoenix has a huge advantage at the center position too, there's a reason this was the team I wanted to avoid the most and my worst fears have been coming true in this series.

(05-05-2022, 12:49 AM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]Some of those dud offseasons since drafting Luka are coming back to bite us here. I'm not surprised Brunson is struggling so much in this series, the Suns have a lot of long wing guys they can throw at him just like the Clippers did. Dinwiddie has better size but has been disappointing in this series. Phoenix has a huge advantage at the center position too, there's a reason this was the team I wanted to avoid the most and my worst fears have been coming true in this series.

Why is it fearful to finally be weighed and measured. Cuban has needed a wake up call. What I’m afraid of is they will take the mindset that they got out of the first round as progress and think that running it back with player improvement is the only thing to do.


I’d much rather tear it down than run it back. I’d prefer a third option of not going after the home run player every offseason and just getting the doubles and triples to steadily piece our way there. Bullock isn’t a fully bad get (albeit a bit of an overpay…just like much of the roster), but he would be better coming off the bench like most of these guys.

(05-05-2022, 12:37 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]A Suns sweep might not be the worst thing for Luka.  I think he can take a lot of lessons from the season to try and get better.  Maturity and conditioning being the two at the top of my mind.

(05-05-2022, 07:25 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Bullock isn’t a fully bad get (albeit a bit of an overpay)

This shows a pretty poor understanding of the current state of NBA contracts and payrolls.

(05-05-2022, 09:50 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]This shows a pretty poor understanding of the current state of NBA contracts and payrolls.

I mean, NY liked him but didn’t give him that contract. I’d be interested in seeing who we were bidding against for that amount and wouldn’t be surprised if the answer was no one. He’s on the edge of age where paying for him is questionable. Add to that that we could use a better player in his spot and I’m not so sure it’s me who doesn’t understand contracts and payrolls. His overpay is fine, if we don’t have so many bad to horrible overpays on the roster already, but that is not the case.

Narrative totally changes if Mavs win Game 3 at home, especially if Brunson or Dinwiddie get loose.

(05-05-2022, 09:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, NY liked him but didn’t give him that contract. I’d be interested in seeing who we were bidding against for that amount and wouldn’t be surprised if the answer was no one. He’s on the edge of age where paying for him is questionable. Add to that that we could use a better player in his spot and I’m not so sure it’s me who doesn’t understand contracts and payrolls. His overpay is fine, if we don’t have so many bad to horrible overpays on the roster already, but that is not the case.

You're talking as if we gave him 20M a year.  He would have absolutely gotten the MLE elsewhere, it's a pretty standard practice.

Add to what I said above to the fact that we extended DFS for slightly more than what Bullock is getting, then measure the impact on the team between the two and I feel very comfortable with my understanding of contracts and payrolls in the NBA.

(05-05-2022, 10:01 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Add to what I said above to the fact that we extended DFS for slightly more than what Bullock is getting, then measure the impact on the team between the two and I feel very comfortable with my understanding of contracts and payrolls in the NBA.

Proud of you.

(05-05-2022, 10:00 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]You're talking as if we gave him 20M a year.  He would have absolutely gotten the MLE elsewhere, it's a pretty standard practice.

I don’t remember anyone talking about other suitors for his services at that time, nor do I remember any talks of other teams upset with whiffing on him. Not so sure your view is as set in stone as you are portraying.

(05-05-2022, 10:04 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t remember anyone talking about other suitors for his services at that time, nor do I remember any talks of other teams upset with whiffing on him. Not so sure your view is as set in stone as you are portraying.

He said with a view that was set in stone.

(05-05-2022, 10:07 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]He said with a view that was set in stone.

It’s a cordial way of saying I think you’re way off with what you said to me.

(05-05-2022, 09:59 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Narrative totally changes if Mavs win Game 3 at home, especially if Brunson or Dinwiddie get loose.

I don't think one win in this series would be enough to change the narrative. But if Mavs turn it around or at least make it a serious fight, narrative can change. However, personally, I just can't see it after this first two games. I think Mavs basically gave their best in both games. We can't expect there will be many games where every player will be awesome. Sure Brunson was bad, but Kleber was way above his average in game 1, for example. I prefer to look at team stats. As a team they were shooting over 40 % from three in both games and it wasn't even nearly enough. Ok, Phoenix was abnormally efficient which is not realistically sustainable, but it seems they can get their own far easier than Mavs. A lot of things would have to change in order for Mavs to win, imho.

(05-05-2022, 10:16 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think one win in this series would be enough to change the narrative. But if Mavs turn it around or at least make it a serious fight, narrative can change. However, personally, I just can't see it after this first two games. I think Mavs basically gave their best in both games. We can't expect there will be many games where every player will be awesome. Sure Brunson was bad, but Kleber was way above his average in game 1, for example. I prefer to look at team stats. As a team they were shooting over 40 % from three in both games and it wasn't even nearly enough. Ok, Phoenix was abnormally efficient which is not realistically sustainable, but it seems they can get their own far easier than Mavs. A lot of things would have to change in order for Mavs to win, imho.

Agreed, narrative will only change if we fully protect homecourt buy boy...these guys are good.