(04-18-2022, 10:09 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]This game also showed exactly why Gobert is not worth 40 mil and especially not worth paying significant assets for the privilige to pay him that for next four years. You just put five shooters on the floor and he is cooked. Has no tools to punish them on the other side. Happens every year in the playoffs.
I never like Gobert. Let's hope and pray the Mavs never go after him.
(04-18-2022, 10:11 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah Gobert is not the answer, especially at age 30. Go get Mo Bamba or any younger center with a pulse for cheaper
Yep. Mo Bamba, Myles Turner, Mitchell Robinson, Isiah Harteinstein. They just need a legit rim protector. We need a player like Tyson Chandler!
(04-18-2022, 10:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't even hyperbole. This was an incredible win.
It will be more impressive if they win the series. That's all that matters at this point. If they lose it, nobody will remember tonight's game.
I know this might seem a bit crazy after watching Gobert miss like 20 layups... I'd still take him.
His defense dwarfs all of those guys combined. He alone stopped at least like 10 points worth of easy buckets (including that Josh one yikes). Also we see our guards literally not even attempting a layup with Gobert out there. That's presence.
If anything the Mavs can hopefully drive down his price to a point where it's believable he could go for THJ+Maxi and a 1st.
(04-18-2022, 10:35 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]It will be more impressive if they win the series. That's all that matters at this point. If they lose it, nobody will remember tonight's game.
True. If anything this win buys a lot of time. Lets Luka rest even more.
Now they're going to Utah which is a notorious place to win at. Hopefully Luka feels better because the Mavs can snag some momentum in game 3.
(04-18-2022, 10:36 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I know this might seem a bit crazy after watching Gobert miss like 20 layups... I'd still take him.
His defense dwarfs all of those guys combined. He alone stopped at least like 10 points worth of easy buckets (including that Josh one yikes). Also we see our guards literally not even attempting a layup with Gobert out there. That's presence.
If anything the Mavs can hopefully drive down his price to a point where it's believable he could go for THJ+Maxi and a 1st.
It's not crazy, it is just truthful and factual. Gobert is just a scapegoat for much bigger issues with the Jazz D.
(04-18-2022, 10:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]It's not crazy, it is just truthful and factual. Gobert is just a scapegoat for much bigger issues with the Jazz D.
The thing is I don't think the major critique of him this game will be the defense. He gave up so many free points on the offensive side. How many missed lobs did he have tonight? How many times did he just dribble it off his foot on a post up? Dude wasted a good 10 possessions alone offensively. That's terrible.
(04-18-2022, 10:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is I don't think the major critique of him this game will be the defense. He gave up so many free points on the offensive side. How many missed lobs did he have tonight? How many times did he just dribble it off his foot on a post up? Dude wasted a good 10 possessions alone offensively. That's terrible.
He was 2-5 with four turnovers.
(04-18-2022, 10:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He was 2-5 with four turnovers.
Is this counting all the bobbled passes off of lobs? Felt like Gobert had a lot more wasted possessions than 7.
(04-18-2022, 10:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Is this counting all the bobbled passes off of lobs? Felt like Gobert had a lot more wasted possessions than 7.
Either way the Mavs dodged a bullet. A good offensive game from him and the Mavs lose. The Mavs also shot an unsustainable 47% from three.
It is going to be HARD to win in UTA.
When one looks at single game +/-, one has to consider there are four other players on the floor with the guy you are looking at. Right now we have a six man roster (even though nine men played). I think the numbers worth talking about are how did Powell and Maxi play with the other starters. How they played with Bertans, Green and Burke is just too noisy.
Like game one, the Powell with the starter minutes were largely positive. He was +7 and +4. The idea that he can’t be played unless Luka is in the game is just a really bad take. His minutes with some combination of bench players haven’t been good, but neither have Maxi’s. It isn’t the fault of either center. We just don’t have anyone playing well outside of the top six without Luka.
In both halves Maxi subbed for Powell part way through the first/third and played with the starters for a few minutes. He went -5 and -2 in those stints. Of course, that all changed with the +13 the Mav’s had in the 4th with the closing lineup (when you hold an opponent to 23 points in the 4th and hit 75% of your threes for the quarter, good things tend to happen). Maxi was a huge part of that, but everyone was hitting because once the ball started moving someone was wide open as Gobert just couldn’t get there. A huge portion of our 3’s came from the guy Rudy was trying to rotate to. As we said after game one, they set up the entire rotation to finish with this group. It almost worked on Saturday. It worked this time because the team went absolutely nuts from deep to finish game two.
A couple things of note. Jalen got switched to Royce O’Neal this game instead of Bog. Yes, O’Neal hit four of six uncontested 3’s, but the value Brunson brought jumping passing lanes and helping with drives was significant. That put Reggie on Bog. Reggie took away the three pointer for the most part, but it left him vulnerable to getting taken to the lane. It is part of the plan though and despite what looks like the occasional easy bucket, we are holding down their 3 attempts and just held the top offense in the league to 99 and 104.
Did anyone realize the rebounding differential in the second half was only -4 (-3 in the third and -1 in the fourth). They were outrebounded 28-13 in the first half, but really worked in the second half to turn that around.
(04-19-2022, 06:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]When one looks at single game +/-, one has to consider there are four other players on the floor with the guy you are looking at. Right now we have a six man roster (even though nine men played). I think the numbers worth talking about are how did Powell and Maxi play with the other starters. How they played with Bertans, Green and Burke is just too noisy.
Like game one, the Powell with the starter minutes were largely positive. He was +7 and +4. The idea that he can’t be played unless Luka is in the game is just a really bad take. His minutes with some combination of bench players haven’t been good, but neither have Maxi’s. It isn’t the fault of either center. We just don’t have anyone playing well outside of the top six without Luka.
In both halves Maxi subbed for Powell part way through the first/third and played with the starters for a few minutes. He went -5 and -2 in those stints. Of course, that all changed with the +13 the Mav’s had in the 4th with the closing lineup (when you hold an opponent to 23 points in the 4th and hit 75% of your threes for the quarter, good things tend to happen). Maxi was a huge part of that, but everyone was hitting because once the ball started moving someone was wide open as Gobert just couldn’t get there. A huge portion of our 3’s came from the guy Rudy was trying to rotate to. As we said after game one, they set up the entire rotation to finish with this group. It almost worked on Saturday. It worked this time because the team went absolutely nuts from deep to finish game two.
A couple things of note. Jalen got switched to Royce O’Neal this game instead of Bog. Yes, O’Neal hit four of six uncontested 3’s, but the value Brunson brought jumping passing lanes and helping with drives was significant. That put Reggie on Bog. Reggie took away the three pointer for the most part, but it left him vulnerable to getting taken to the lane. It is part of the plan though and despite what looks like the occasional easy bucket, we are holding down their 3 attempts and just held the top offense in the league to 99 and 104.
Did anyone realize the rebounding differential in the second half was only -4 (-3 in the third and -1 in the fourth). They were outrebounded 28-13 in the first half, but really worked in the second half to turn that around.
EXCELLENT post.
I 100% get why the Mavs want to spread UTA out and go 5-out to end the game. It is why I liked the suggestion of giving DB more minutes at the 5.
But in 38 mins, the Mavs are offensively 123.9 and defensively 97.1 when DP plays. That is +26.7 and why I have been screaming for more minutes from him in the series. The D has been by FAR the best with him in. Everyone is hitting their rotations best when he has played. As I put it in the gamethread "he organizes the D the best of the big men." And the O is not suffering with DP out there. He is so SMART in how he moves around the court even when he isn't being guarded as a three point threat. His GREAT screening forces a player to be attached to him and the spacing that results is great. He is the anti-KP in that regard (whose bad screening killed the spacing).
In Maxi's 56 mins, the Mavs are offensively 109.4 and defensively 120.6. That is -11.1, including his FANTASTIC 2nd half last night.
I hope Maxi is confident moving forward in the series, but I still think DP is the best big man option in this series and should be getting more burn. His screening is so key to that. DP+JB is 123.1 offensively and DP+SD is 129.1 offensively in the series. Those guys are getting really GOOD looks with DP setting screens in the offense.
(04-19-2022, 07:06 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]EXCELLENT post.
I 100% get why the Mavs want to spread UTA out and go 5-out to end the game. It is why I liked the suggestion of giving DB more minutes at the 5.
But in 38 mins, the Mavs are offensively 123.9 and defensively 97.1 when DP plays. That is +26.7 and why I have been screaming for more minutes from him in the series. The D has been by FAR the best with him in. Everyone is hitting their rotations best when he has played. As I put it in the gamethread "he organizes the D the best of the big men." And the O is not suffering with DP out there. He is so SMART in how he moves around the court even when he isn't being guarded as a three point threat. His GREAT screening forces a player to be attached to him and the spacing that results is great. He is the anti-KP in that regard (whose bad screening killed the spacing).
In Maxi's 56 mins, the Mavs are offensively 109.4 and defensively 120.6. That is -11.1, including his FANTASTIC 2nd half last night.
I hope Maxi is confident moving forward in the series, but I still think DP is the best big man option in this series and should be getting more burn. His screening is so key to that. DP+JB is 123.1 offensively and DP+SD is 129.1 offensively in the series. Those guys are getting really GOOD looks with DP setting screens in the offense.
Preaching to the choir!
‘But Kamm, clearly you don’t understand how basketball works. Powell doesn’t score and doesn’t rebound. How can he possibly be any good’. It gets really old.
Did you see that they tried three bigs for a moment or two. Got off of that pretty quick. Zone in the fourth also seemed to slow down Utah. Kidd tends to have a wrinkle that he uses at winning time more than trying to use it all game long. He doesn’t let the other team be comfortable with what has happened the rest of the game down the stretch.
THJ would probably help right about now. I always feel like we need one more guy. Right now we have two more guys. They just happen to be in street clothes. I still think we’re going to need some kind of production from Green to win in Utah. He needs one of those moments just like Maxi did. Maxi got his. I hope Green does too.
Probably the biggest win for this franchise in a decade.
It's worth pointing out that despite the horrible rebounding numbers, the Mavs are making up for it by not turning the ball over, at all. Dallas actually had 1 more shot attempt than Utah in this game.
(04-19-2022, 07:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I still think we’re going to need some kind of production from Green to win in Utah. He needs one of those moments just like Maxi did. Maxi got his. I hope Green does too.
Kudos to Kidd not giving up on Maxi OR Green when I would have. I think Kidd believes deeply he needs JG to have a game like you are saying. And for JG's future it is also really important. Need battle tested guys moving forward into next year.
Really looking forward to the game or two when Bertans gets some shots up. Only having 4 total FGA in 30:39 min is not the norm.
In comparison, Josh Green has 9 FGA in 16 min and Trey Burke 3 FGA in 4:37 min.
Maybe even more surprising than Bertans lack of shooting is Bullock's minutes played and ability to still shoot the 3 ball at a high percentage. In almost 90 minutes (45 MPG) he is 6/13 (46%) from the 3PT line.
(04-19-2022, 07:55 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Really looking forward to the game or two when Bertans gets some shots up. Only having 4 total FGA in 30:39 min is not the norm.
In comparison, Josh Green has 9 FGA in 16 min and Trey Burke 3 FGA in 4:37 min.
Maybe even more surprising than Bertans lack of shooting is Bullock's minutes played and ability to still shoot the 3 ball at a high percentage. In almost 90 minutes (45 MPG) he is 6/13 (46%) from the 3PT line.
Cow pointed out in the game one game thread that Utah missed the opportunity to hunt Bertans on defense in the first half of that game. Well, that isn’t the case anymore. I actually wonder if we don’t see fewer minutes from DB. He tries really hard, I’ll give him that. But in the playoffs, you have to do more than try.
(04-19-2022, 08:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Cow pointed out in the game one game thread that Utah missed the opportunity to hunt Bertans on defense in the first half of that game. Well, that isn’t the case anymore. I actually wonder if we don’t see fewer minutes from DB. He tries really hard, I’ll give him that. But in the playoffs, you have to do more than try.
You may be right. I won't pound the table for Bertans... I don't think he's as awful as some do on the defensive end, but if he's not shooting and making 3's, then he's not going to give you many positives otherwise. Without Luka, and with Green stumbling out of the gates, it may be impossible for Kidd not to play Bertans more than he'd like. At the very least, he gives you some size and spacing that Green can't offer. Still holding out hope that he has a moment in this series similar to what Maxi just had.
(04-19-2022, 08:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]hunt Bertans on defense
Few thoughts:
1) I think DB is much better on D than reputation.
2) When teams used to hunt Dirk on D it often backfired and I could see the same with DB. It got them out of "good offense" and into obsessive, isolation, one-on-one play.
3) The real issue with DB's minutes in the two playoff games hasn't been the D, it has been the O. The team has scored 100.0 in his 31 minutes which is BAD. Seven of DB's mins have come with JG and JG+DB has an offensive rating of 83.3 (!!!).
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