(04-17-2022, 05:21 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Bey's 51 pt explosion this year tells me otherwise. He has the perfect size and makeup for a 3 & D wing.
Bey would have been a better pick as well but he is not on the same level as Bane and Maxey in terms of efficiency and (though it’s not his fault and remains to be seen) he hasn’t shown that he’s a winning piece on a contending team yet like the other two.
I had an idea for a topic of taking all of the starting players from the playoff teams minus their best player and seeing who on our team could crack their lineups. It was just way too depressing of an exercise.
(04-17-2022, 12:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Of course they saw it differently than me. But they are not infallible. I could of course be dead wrong, but having watched Maxi and DP (and DB for that matter) all season, I think DP is the better big option by far at this point. I am not just disappointed in Maxi's three ball, but his play overall. And Maxi has NEVER been a good playoff performer IMO.
Just my opinion, I didn't know we weren't allowed to question coaching decisions anymore. 
Dude, sorry for coming on so strong. Your opinion is quite valuable. But I thought you might have overlooked Maxi’s crucial role in that 4Q comeback. He was the MAN for 4 minutes. Yeah, only 4, I know. But still.
(04-17-2022, 07:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I was wanting Stewart that draft.
Fans will always back their own guy, but if we are honest, the Mavs made three outrageously bad picks. If you look at the number and numbers of the players picked from #15 to #36, it was almost impossible to pull off. It was not that difficult to walk away with two of Bey/Maxey/Bane in this draft and our whole future looks completely different. We don´t need to re-sign THJ, and can go for Markkanen/Collins instead. We have more leverage and/or can use Brunson as trade bait for a center, while also reducing the cost of dumping Porzingis.
People always say these late picks don´t matter. Of course they do. They impact every decision you have to make.
(04-17-2022, 08:44 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]Bey would have been a better pick as well but he is not on the same level as Bane and Maxey in terms of efficiency and (though it’s not his fault and remains to be seen) he hasn’t shown that he’s a winning piece on a contending team yet like the other two.
Fair enough. Things can change though..
(04-17-2022, 11:44 AM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Why did the coaching staff sit Dwight and Davis in favor of Maxi for the final 6 minutes? Because they saw things differently than you do. Maxi comes in with 6:11 on the clock and the team down 10. In the ensuing 4 minutes, Maxi scores 7 points and the Mavs pull within 1 point of the Jazz with 2:12 to go. From there, the Mavs go cold, while the Jazz get a lucky end-of-clock 3 from O’Neale and then hit their free throws.
I understand your disappointment in the dude’s long ball. But you are misoverreacting when it comes to Kleber. If one of his errant 3s banks in rather than Mitchell’s, Mavs win this game.
Good perspective. In other words, this almost worked. We got it to within one and then it was Maxi miss, Brunson miss, Reggie miss, DFS make and Dinwiddie miss while O'Neal made his three (he's a .389 shooter from three, so this wasn't a fluke) and Mitchell made four FT's. You have to hit shots down the stretch to have a chance to win from behind. I think it is easy to get down on Maxi. His previous stints on the floor were -3, +3, the -11 debacle at the end of the first half and -5 in the third.
Meanwhile Powell was playing much more positively in his time and he was against Gobert almost all of his 22 minutes (+9). His stints up to the 9:33 mark in the fourth had been +6, +5, +3, -3 and +1. So, it is easy to see why people (including me) wanted more Powell. But, Dallas had a plan. It wasn't an unusual plan. They often close games with Maxi. And, as you point out, it almost worked.
I think the killers were Dinwiddie's missed FT's (six of them), Green's missed 3's (four of them) and rebounding differential (19...I know we are the 28th ranked defensive rebounding team since the trade, but 19?). Green only took four three's in a game once this season (making 2). He only went 0 for 3 once this season. He was 14 for 31 (.45%) in games he shot 3 or more 3's. I think it was pretty clear the stage was bigger than he was ready for. Hopefully, it will be a one night phenomenon. I don't know how we fix the rebounding with the guys we have available. When your 6'1" guy leads the team, there's a problem.
(04-18-2022, 02:56 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Fans will always back their own guy, but if we are honest, the Mavs made three outrageously bad picks. If you look at the number and numbers of the players picked from #15 to #36, it was almost impossible to pull off. It was not that difficult to walk away with two of Bey/Maxey/Bane in this draft and our whole future looks completely different. We don´t need to re-sign THJ, and can go for Markkanen/Collins instead. We have more leverage and/or can use Brunson as trade bait for a center, while also reducing the cost of dumping Porzingis.
People always say these late picks don´t matter. Of course they do. They impact every decision you have to make.
Was having this conversation with a buddy the other day. You almost have to try to have as awful of a draft as the Mavs did.
They managed to take 18, 31 and one of the best value contacts in the league and turn it into Josh Green and a TPE they’ll never use.
That night could have completely altered the franchise through talent acquisition and some of the watershed moments you pointed out.
(04-18-2022, 09:21 AM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]Was having this conversation with a buddy the other day. You almost have to try to have as awful of a draft as the Mavs did.
They managed to take 18, 31 and one of the best value contacts in the league and turn it into Josh Green and a TPE they’ll never use.
That night could have completely altered the franchise through talent acquisition and some of the watershed moments you pointed out.
I agree 2020 was a major miss. I was screaming Bey at the top of my lungs (though Bane is the real miss).
But I don't think Josh is someone to overlook, nor is he the worst pick from 18-30. Sure he was a reach, and the Mavs should have taken either Bey or Bane, but there are at least 5 objectively worse guys the Mavs could have taken, and 2 more others if you want to argue fit with Luka (and RC at the time).
To me those guys are Zeke Nianji, RJ Hampton, Udoka Azibuke, Malachai Flynn, and Leandro Bolmaro. I have concerns about projecting Maxey and Quickley's success/development here behind Brunson and Luka with the notorious RC leading the way their rookie year.
The real miss was Terry at 31. Sheesh what a terrible pick. I cannot believe the guy was ever thought of as a serious NBA prospect. He's played 59 minutes in 2 years. Tyler Bey isn't much better with 71 minutes in 2 years and was never picked up after getting waived.
Almost any other pick in the 2nd round would have been better. Though that's not saying much. Look back at that draft and see how many 2nd rounders are actually contributing. Outside of KJ Martin, and maybe Jordan Nwora, there are really no players worth losing sleep over.
2020 was an incredibly top heavy shallow draft. There were like 4-5 real prospects in the late 1st round and really only 2 were exactly what the Mavs needed. I'm not going to lose sleep over it because it's done. Josh has shown some flashes that is worth getting excited over. If he ever develops a consistent 3pt shot on 40% shooting we got exactly what we wanted anyways.
I´ll say this for game two. I have more confidence in Josh Green making some wide open threes than Maxi making the semi-contested shots, he´ll get. usually he misses, when his long wind-up/low release gets interrupted.
Therefore I´d actually go as far as thinking about starting Green instead of Bullock. Saying: Listen kid. We got you. We´ll make them pay. We´ll switch you on Gobert early. Be ready. He starts hitting 2-3 shots the whole energy in the building and the Jazz gameplan changes.
Maxey, Bane, Bey, etc. would not have had the same opportunities here that they had on their other teams to develop the past two seasons. The Mavs rarely give a ton of minutes to rookies and inexperienced players when they have a playoff-caliber team. This has been a veteran roster, especially at the guard spots so not a lot of minutes to go around between THJ, JRich last year, Bullock, and now Dinwiddie are all going to get the bulk of the minutes at those SG/SF spots. And add Brunson, who plays SG when on the floor with Luka.
Maxey definitely would not have been used properly here and I bet he wasn't even on the radar in 2020 since they already had Luka and Brunson as ball-dominant guards. Bane and Bey might have just ended up like Jae Crowder here in his first two years with the Mavs...which is basically similar to what they've been using Green this season.
(04-18-2022, 11:37 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I´ll say this for game two. I have more confidence in Josh Green making some wide open threes than Maxi making the semi-contested shots, he´ll get. usually he misses, when his long wind-up/low release gets interrupted.
Therefore I´d actually go as far as thinking about starting Green instead of Bullock. Saying: Listen kid. We got you. We´ll make them pay. We´ll switch you on Gobert early. Be ready. He starts hitting 2-3 shots the whole energy in the building and the Jazz gameplan changes.
Based on the sample size of game 1, the opposite is true of Maxi and Josh. I think both have an impact on defense but the Jazz weren't even honoring Josh. They at least covered Maxi.
(04-18-2022, 11:46 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]Maxey, Bane, Bey, etc. would not have had the same opportunities here that they had on their other teams to develop the past two seasons. The Mavs rarely give a ton of minutes to rookies and inexperienced players when they have a playoff-caliber team. This has been a veteran roster, especially at the guard spots so not a lot of minutes to go around between THJ, JRich last year, Bullock, and now Dinwiddie are all going to get the bulk of the minutes at those SG/SF spots. And add Brunson, who plays SG when on the floor with Luka.
Maxey definitely would not have been used properly here and I bet he wasn't even on the radar in 2020 since they already had Luka and Brunson as ball-dominant guards. Bane and Bey might have just ended up like Jae Crowder here in his first two years with the Mavs...which is basically similar to what they've been using Green this season.
I will add that these decisions were made under the Donnie/Carlisle regime, which didn't give a lot of sunshine to rookies not named Luka. So early career development was not a priority for the old MBT.
TBH, I had the feeling that even RC was a reluctant supporter of Luka his first season. At least until he started showing some of those OMG moments and it was obvious you couldn't deny Luka's right to playing time.
(04-18-2022, 12:11 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Based on the sample size of game 1, the opposite is true of Maxi and Josh. I think both have an impact on defense but the Jazz weren't even honoring Josh. They at least covered Maxi.
I know they were not honouring Green. That´s why I consider starting him rather than Kleber. I actually think he is capable of knocking down wide open threes, when his shot is not contested/rushed. I also have seen him hit enough end of quarter threes, that I have some faith that he can handle the play-off moment. Furthermore if Green can make a three, they´ll have to respect his shot as he can at least put it on the floor. That disrupts their game plan more than Maxi making a few shots.
I guess there is a chance Kidd will follow that exact strategy just with Bertans starting. I´d use Green instead and go really small. Shit. Maybe I´d even consider starting DFS at the 5. Not like the Jazz ever throw it to Gobert down low. We need to try "stupid" gimmicks. We cannot beat them with a normal game.
He´ll have to throw some sort of haymaker at them: Boban, Burke, Frankie.
(04-18-2022, 01:56 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I know they were not honouring Green. That´s why I consider starting him rather than Kleber. I actually think he is capable of knocking down wide open threes, when his shot is not contested/rushed. I also have seen him hit enough end of quarter threes, that I have some faith that he can handle the play-off moment. Furthermore if Green can make a three, they´ll have to respect his shot as he can at least put it on the floor. That disrupts their game plan more than Maxi making a few shots.
I guess there is a chance Kidd will follow that exact strategy just with Bertans starting. I´d use Green instead and go really small. Shit. Maybe I´d even consider starting DFS at the 5. Not like the Jazz ever throw it to Gobert down low. We need to try "stupid" gimmicks. We cannot beat them with a normal game.
He´ll have to throw some sort of haymaker at them: Boban, Burke, Frankie.
I'd try out Boban with Gobert off the floor and go old school post-ups. The team really needs someone else who can get a bucket on his own.
Re: Josh vs Maxi, I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If the Mavs know Luka isn't coming back this series, go with Green and get him experience. Maybe he shakes of the nerves from game one. I think Maxi gives you a better shot at winning.
(04-18-2022, 01:59 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd try out Boban with Gobert off the floor and go old school post-ups. The team really needs someone else who can get a bucket on his own.
Re: Josh vs Maxi, I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If the Mavs know Luka isn't coming back this series, go with Green and get him experience. Maybe he shakes of the nerves from game one. I think Maxi gives you a better shot at winning.
Does he? His confidence is completely shot. He´s coming off another injury. Since March 1st he shot 30/20/60 and I´m rounding up gently here.
Green on the other hand has shot around 50/40/60 since March 1st.
I´d say there is a better chance that Green shakes 1st play-off game nerves than that Maxi shakes a whole bad season and a habit of mediocre to poor post-season play under the current circumstances.
(04-18-2022, 02:10 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Does he? His confidence is completely shot. He´s coming off another injury. Since March 1st he shot 30/20/60 and I´m rounding up gently here.
Green on the other hand has shot around 50/40/60 since March 1st.
I´d say there is a better chance that Green shakes 1st play-off game nerves than that Maxi shakes a whole bad season and a habit of mediocre to poor post-season play under the current circumstances.
Look at the shots Josh took. Maxi had some ugly shots as well, that air ball in particular but I think that was more of him being winded than anything. I know who I'd put my money on to hit a shot and at least Maxi preserves floor spacing.
(04-18-2022, 01:59 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd try out Boban with Gobert off the floor and go old school post-ups. The team really needs someone else who can get a bucket on his own.
I don't believe this is the time to panic. Like playing Boban, which can be considered a major adjustment. Lots of great stuff from game 1 which was close all the way to the end - if Maxi makes that 3 we would have been upfront. Team can easy win game 2 with minor adjustments. Nothing major panic mode is needed. We need to play with even more intensity and throughout the entire game as we did in first two quarters game 1. Then we need to adjust and share the ball more, yet let Brunson and SD attack the basket as much as possible. Key is defense and not go in panic mode mentally that Jazz are a better team than us, because if we do players will believe that as well. They are not that much better. If we gameplan for Bogdanovic, which is difficult but really feasible, we can put real pressure on Jazz to the extent where they will have difficulty scoring.
How TF did this Jazz team just barely lose out the 4th seed to our Mavs WITH Luka, and yet without Luka they aren’t that much better? You have such a low opinion of Luka it’s borderline crazy talk.
I liked the start of that game one until we missed wide open threes and blew our momentum. Bogdonovich was a problem we have to fix but keeping Mitchell down is more important so we might not be able to do both.
Maxi’s shot looked good when he shot it and bad when he aimed it. Coaches can see that too. I think he is close. I saw some good things from him. We so need him. I choose to be hopeful and excited instead of afraid.
These games are so important for future evaluation for Nico. I hope we get lot’s more games. Let Utah be forced to make changes for the future and our guys increase their value.
(04-18-2022, 03:39 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]How TF did this Jazz team just barely lose out the 4th seed to our Mavs WITH Luka, and yet without Luka they aren’t that much better? You have such a low opinion of Luka it’s borderline crazy talk.
Not underrating Luka but the Jazz are in a bit of an off year. Chemistry issues with Gobert/Mitchell, Mitchell struggling in 4th quarters, Clarkson's numbers dipping this season and no JIngles. I do wonder if Bogdonavic can repeat what he did in game one but if his defenders are JB and DB, I think he has a really good shot of carrying a major part of Utah's offensive load.