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dangit, well wasn't completely sure cause the Lakers did win that bubble title out of it. still lots of teams without a championship.

We haven't even dug out of our KP hole.  Let's save trading away future picks until we control all of our picks and ditch the Bertans contract.

I’m not all that interested in giving up picks past 25 (if we find a trade target that is worth the cost to make that change to the 23 protection). I myself don’t want a guy that actually takes 3-4 FRPs to acquire. I’m not convinced Luka would fit well next to that type of player. I want smaller improvements that use smaller assets. I think we can build a team that has higher quality “basketball players” as Kidd talked about and be a fully Luka led team. Time will tell if JB wants in on that, because his progress is really starting to answer a lot of the questions we had about him.

There’s a chance we just need 1 more guy to make this team do what CP did for the Suns (on a bit of a smaller scale). I could be talked into a guy like Turner being that missing piece too. What I’m saying is, what’s the cost to get a guy like Turner with the assets we have? If it takes THJ, the 22 and 25 and even Green, sign me up! If it takes Powell and Maxi (and 22 or whatever), I’m saying sign me up and go to work on replacing the bench players. I don’t know what the structure of the trade would be, I’m saying, if it nets you the best player that looks like a fit, sign me up!

I know they will be opportunistic and listening. How proactive and creative with they be with the roster though. There are lots of names attached to rumors right now out there, how many more are going to surface before FA starts?

(04-21-2022, 02:26 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not all that interested in giving up picks past 25 (if we find a trade target that is worth the cost to make that change to the 23 protection). I myself don’t want a guy that actually takes 3-4 FRPs to acquire. I’m not convinced Luka would fit well next to that type of player. I want smaller improvements that use smaller assets. I think we can build a team that has higher quality “basketball players” as Kidd talked about and be a fully Luka led team. Time will tell if JB wants in on that, because his progress is really starting to answer a lot of the questions we had about him.

There’s a chance we just need 1 more guy to make this team do what CP did for the Suns (on a bit of a smaller scale). I could be talked into a guy like Turner being that missing piece too. What I’m saying is, what’s the cost to get a guy like Turner with the assets we have? If it takes THJ, the 22 and 25 and even Green, sign me up! If it takes Powell and Maxi (and 22 or whatever), I’m saying sign me up and go to work on replacing the bench players. I don’t know what the structure of the trade would be, I’m saying, if it nets you the best player that looks like a fit, sign me up!

I know they will be opportunistic and listening. How proactive and creative with they be with the roster though. There are lots of names attached to rumors right now out there, how many more are going to surface before FA starts?

Why don't we just draft a guy that helps us right away and becomes an all rookie first teamer? There are guys like this drafted in the 20s almost every year.

(04-21-2022, 02:32 PM)windjc Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't we just draft a guy that helps us right away and becomes an all rookie first teamer? There are guys like this drafted in the 20s almost every year.

If the 22 pick is a part of a Turner quality player trade, I'll sleep soundly.

(04-21-2022, 02:32 PM)windjc Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't we just draft a guy that helps us right away and becomes an all rookie first teamer? There are guys like this drafted in the 20s almost every year.

Some arguments against this line of thinking:

1. These are still rare guys, and there is not a lot of history of this FO being able to find them.

2. Those guys are generally smaller players (guards and wings).  Bigs generally take longer to develop.  We don't have a lot of room on the roster for another guard or wing, making it tough to get minutes and develop. 

3. Assuming we are one good center from contention (I think we might be) and we can get said center with that pick and salary filler, then the opportunity cost of taking a gamble on a late first would be huge.

(04-21-2022, 02:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1517222364441989123

Tim McMahon (and surprisingly Woj) with a doozy of a headline.

Headline in question: Pessimism significant around return of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic for Game 3 vs. Utah Jazz, sources

What's actually in the article:

Quote:"We'll see how he feels at game time," Mavs coach Jason Kidd said after shootaround, adding that he expected Doncic to go through his normal pregame warm-up routine.

Quote:Doncic stayed at Vivint Arena after most of his teammates left Thursday morning to go through an extensive on-court workout under the guidance of Mavs player health and performance director Casey Smith. The workout included running, ballhandling and shooting.

"Feeling great," Doncic told ESPN as he was leaving the arena.

Yep. Lots of pessimism here!

(04-21-2022, 03:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Tim McMahon (and surprisingly Woj) with a doozy of a headline.

Headline in question: Pessimism significant around return of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic for Game 3 vs. Utah Jazz, sources

What's actually in the article:





Yep. Lots of pessimism here!

I didn't even read the articles but still laughed at the titles. You confirmed by laughter. 

I mean, the original quote says "game time decision"....OF COURSE THERE IS PESSIMISM!!! LOL

If there was no pessimism about whether he could play the report would be that he's playing. 

Silly, sensational headline writing.

(04-21-2022, 11:53 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with this statement but I disagree on how maximally aggressive should be defined.  The mavs fans also deserve a front office that doesn't recklessly mortgage our future.  Do you not acknowledge that trading picks that far out has MAJOR risks associated with it?

Also, my point on "slim assets" referred to our basketball assets outside of DFS/Luka/Brunson which I think is being viewed as the core of this roster moving forward.

If Mavs FO would be successful in the two windows with max cap space in the last three years, they could probably afford to sit on the picks. Since they were not, the only realistic avenue to make a true contender is trading for better players. 

Of course trading picks has risks associated with it. Any move has risks associated to it. Even the one where you sit on your picks, as one possible outcome is that Luka demands trade in two or three seasons because FO values picks more than building a contender.

(04-21-2022, 03:58 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Any move has risks associated to it.

I agree, do you agree that trading picks that far out has a FAR greater risk than simply waiting one season to be able to make the same sort of kitchen sink offer?

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(04-21-2022, 03:58 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If Mavs FO would be successful in the two windows with max cap space in the last three years, they could probably afford to sit on the picks.

The idea that they can't afford to wait one more season (the first of Luka's new 5 year contract) for past mistakes to rectify themselves in the form of a full slate of picks to trade is a little over anxious if you ask me.

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I'm not saying we shouldn't trade picks, I'm saying we should put ourselves in a situation where the worst case scenario is us winning 15 games for 4 years.

(04-21-2022, 04:18 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, do you agree that trading picks that far out has a FAR greater risk than simply waiting one season to be able to make the same sort of kitchen sink offer?

No, I don't agree. There is no assurance that same opportunity (or better one) that will be on the table this summer will also be on the table next season. Another thing to consider. Vast majority of traded picks have protections on them. So even if things go completely south for Mavs, they will be most likely able to keep the picks. 

(04-21-2022, 04:18 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]The idea that they can't afford to wait one more season (the first of Luka's new 5 year contract) for past mistakes to rectify themselves in the form of a full slate of picks to trade is a little over anxious if you ask me.
I'm not saying we shouldn't trade picks, I'm saying we should put ourselves in a situation where the worst case scenario is us winning 15 games for 4 years.

Lets go back again. My initial response was to the claim by Mvossman, that Mavs have weak trade assets, basically 2022 pick. I don't agree with this, I think Mavs have good assets that could be used i a right deal. I didn't discuss possible trades this picks would be used for. I also didn't say Mavs have to use the picks, just that they have an option. I just used Beals name to post an example. I can't agree Mavs don't have a possibility to create an attractive package. Since this possibility exists imho, Mavs should be imho on a lookout for a right deal and also aim high. I don't think improving around the edges should be the strategy. The strategy should be more ambitious. 

Competition will not be resting. LAC and Denver will likely be much stronger next season once their stars return. Minny and Nola could also make a step forward. 

As for rebuild and the 15 wins per season scenarios you are affraid of. I am not. All teams go through rebuilding cycles. Some teams went all in and succeeded winning the ultimate prize (Lakers, Milwaukee), some teams went all in and didn't (Houston, Utah if they fail this season). That is life, some make it and some don't. In the end, some sooner than later, they will all share the same fate - at some point the assets will run out, stars will become too old or demand trade and rebuild will be necessary. 

Basically the only team on the contender list with a strong pick base remaining is Phoenix. Price for that? Years and years of below average results and gathering lottery picks. But even Phoenix is not guaranteed to stay strong. Owner is cheap and who knows if he will be willing to pay Ayton. CP3 will be too old at some point.

You also have teams that don't really quite go all in and remain average. Recent examples like Indiana or Orlando. Even these teams can't avoid eventual rebuild, because no one wants to be average for eternity. To be honest, I would prefer Mavs to share the destiny of Houston or Utah than the one of Indy or Orlando from the last decade or so. 

To conclude. I think Mavs should be looking hard to upgrade the roster with at least one quality starter. I agree with Itsgotime that this doesn't have to be a superstar. It can be a good but not star kind of players. Basically the "Grants", "Turners" and similar kind of players. This kind of guy will likely cost two FRP and I would be willing to pull the trigger, if I would be able to keep the core of this team. Ambitious FO would look to bring two of those guys.

(04-21-2022, 02:32 PM)windjc Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't we just draft a guy that helps us right away and becomes an all rookie first teamer? There are guys like this drafted in the 20s almost every year.

Why waste a trade asset on that? You can just grab undrafted guys and turn em into DFS.

(04-21-2022, 05:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/thesteinline/status/...97600?s=21

I don´t know whether Luka will really return for game four, but that´s exactly the message, I´d send to Utah ahead of game three. Dial up the pressure for them to must win game.

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(04-21-2022, 06:27 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Why waste a trade asset on that? You can just grab undrafted guys and turn em into DFS.

Right, when you can turn three assets into Davis Bertans and Spencer Dinwiddie instead.

(04-21-2022, 06:27 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Why waste a trade asset on that? You can just grab undrafted guys and turn em into DFS.

Exactly. You get it.

One thing that will get Dinwiddie going is Luka coming back and SD coming off the bench. It's just a natural fit for this team. I don't expect Luka to play 40 minutes tomorrow so SD will still get plenty of time to shine. I expect him to have his best game of the series tomorrow afternoon.

I'm not seeing why there is so much Snyder love. He waited until the second half of game three to go small and match the Mavs lineup. 

A year ago the Jazz were eliminated in the same fashion that the Mavs are attempting to - have a shooting big man and draw Rudy out of the paint to get the mismatch with the awful defense of their guards. Snyder has had a year to try and make Rudy a lob threat and get his defense ready for the playoffs. But instead Mitchell never passes to Rudy and the defenders aren't trying.

You can win in the regular season with overwhelming other teams with your offensive might but the playoffs are a different beast. 

Just think that if the Mavs had a little luck in game 1, we could've looked at a sweep on Sat

(04-22-2022, 09:33 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]But instead Mitchell never passes to Rudy and the defenders aren't trying.

THIS. THIS. THIS.