All I know is that Adam Silver and the NBA are probably not happy with how this ended up making big news. Prepare for them to continue to screw the Mavs with the 2nd half of the schedule. Probably another nightmare stretch of games and back-to-backs coming up
(02-10-2021, 03:39 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I had about 10 speaking events on that trip for work, and was warned every time to avoid saying anything negative about the government.
You know chinese?! If so, that's pretty cool.
(02-10-2021, 03:44 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]We feel that their voices need to be respected and heard, because they have not been. Going forward, our hope is that people will take the same passion they have for this issue and apply the same amount of energy to listen to those who feel differently from them. Only then we can move forward and have courageous conversations that move this country forward and find what unites us.' [/font]
This just screams to me that this was all a publicity move for Cuban. Which makes me circle back to him setting the stage for a 2024 bid.
He knew the league policy, he knew Silver would step in. There was no risk on his front. But now he can say "I was trying to represent the unheard".
Comes off as incredibly disingenuous to me.
(02-10-2021, 05:58 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]You know chinese?! If so, that's pretty cool.
I learned a little bit while I was there, but sadly, no.
It might backfire but Cuban forced the league to act and they once again showed that money is more important than any political message. Not to mention that the right wing bubble is having a meltdown.
"Star spangled banner protection act". Good to know that Dan Patrick is focusing on the real problems. Who cares about the pandemic or social justice issues.
I don't think he's doing this for publicity or any future political ambitions, I think he just believes that it's what players want and he wants players to want to play here.
If the national anthem is going to be this political football I don't think it's worth having it at games. We don't have to have the anthem at every sporting event especially leagues that have a ton of games. In the NFL its nice bc you can usually get someone pretty good.
Since we have to kneel to be cool I'd rather just have no anthem at all and find some other non-offensive way to say what they want to say. Players and coaches already have a lot of messaging on their warm-ups which I think is fine and more effective anyway (and less annoying imo).
(02-10-2021, 03:03 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]Gotta start somewhere. Unless you just bend over for the status quo your whole life. It has to be "Us vs Them", right? Too many brainwashed government employees that are going to attack Cuban...so he should backtrack, right? We have to promote war or hivemind will come after you. Groupthink or get lost.
It still goes back to my second post in this thread...Can you please enlighten me on why I should sell my soul to a government ideology?
Bamanut...let me ask you this: Would you like to fight your next door neighbor everyday? Hypothetically...lets say he is bigger and stronger than you...and he wants to screw your wife and steal your stuff...would you like it? Or would you prefer he be somewhat respectable and social and not do such a thing? If you say you want him to be nice and somewhat social...youre a sissy liberal socialist...you dont believe in capitalizing. If you say you are ok with what he does because he is capitalizing...you should shake his hand and let him know you wish you were as alpha as him.
Why do people have a different mindset as an individual than when part of a gang?
That's the most jumbled bunch of otherworld nonsense I've ever read....honestly, I'm now more stupid for having attempted to intake that into my brain. Try harder next time if you want to actually have a response on topic, because right now, it's not worth the wading into it, since I'm guessing you are just trying to be a jerk and troll? You post like you are high...and yes, that's not meant to be complimentary.
This is a bigger story than I thought...
(02-10-2021, 04:55 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Gem
Actual footage of the above described event.
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(02-10-2021, 04:18 PM)mtrot Wrote: [ -> ]Cuban, apparently: "But we also loudly hear the voices of those who feel that the anthem does not represent them."
I'm not sure I even understand what Cuban means. As far as I can see, the Anthem is not supposed to "represent" any one, or any group, in particular. I just look at it as a song that was written to commemorate not being killed by King George's army. ...
Yeah, its a line from Cuban that really stands out to me as well but I think I get it and I think it refers to other people that Mark Cuban intended to represent by ceasing to play the Anthem.
The Anthem played has traditionally been intended to commemorate a shared sense of national unity and loyalty to the country and a sense to gratitude for the sacrifices that were made to keep the country free, particularly in military conflicts. The Anthem directly ties back to the sacrifices made in wars.
Basically the idea was to share good thoughts and feeling about the United States as a country.
There's a very large segment of the US population today that hear the Anthem and think of bad things association with the country. I talk to many people like this regularly that feel this way when words like US
Patriotism or
loyalty are used. They are reminded of bad things. This refers especially to things related to the history of slavery and racism but for many it encompasses a whole litany of what is perceived as bad things American has done or does.
So as Cuban says here some feel that traditional shared sense of unity and gratefulness over
the Anthem simply does not represent them or the way they feel about the country when they hear it.
To go back to the word
propaganda I mentioned earlier, the systemic messaging changed over the years in terms of
US Propaganda. In many ways the
propaganda messaging has been reversed for several decades. Its easy to see just by going back and watch old movies vs. new movies or pulling up old media or news of any kind vs modern media and entertainment.
(02-10-2021, 06:47 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]That's the most jumbled bunch of otherworld nonsense I've ever read....honestly, I'm now more stupid for having attempted to intake that into my brain. Try harder next time if you want to actually have a response on topic, because right now, it's not worth the wading into it, since I'm guessing you are just trying to be a jerk and troll? You post like you are high...and yes, that's not meant to be complimentary.
The fact is...governments are shady. They lie, steal, cheat and kill for power. If you want to play that game...go for it...be proud of flags and anthems. Go kill people overseas for power. You wouldnt want your neighbor treating you that way....but its ok for governments to act that way, right? That sounds like someone that is high or confused to me. Please explain yourself.
If youre going to reply with the same old "finite resources" argument...then please answer my questions in my previous post. Or...just attack me like well behaving bot.
Proud civilian. I would never try and take your land or women or belongings.
(02-10-2021, 04:26 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]People just want to choose one of the extremes instead of having a conversation that makes sense.
If you're talking about hating both extremes (and both parties for that matter), get in line, I've been tooting that horn for a while now. I did vote, but it was for whoever wasn't a part of the two big parties, don't particularly care who that candidate was about or for. Also, I have plenty of love to spread around for all.
(02-10-2021, 06:39 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]If the national anthem is going to be this political football I don't think it's worth having it at games. We don't have to have the anthem at every sporting event especially leagues that have a ton of games. In the NFL its nice bc you can usually get someone pretty good.
Since we have to kneel to be cool I'd rather just have no anthem at all and find some other non-offensive way to say what they want to say. Players and coaches already have a lot of messaging on their warm-ups which I think is fine and more effective anyway (and less annoying imo).
It doesn't seem "cool" in the least to me, and nobody should be pressured to kneel for our national anthem(Charles Barkely said precisely that, live on TNT last season). It just seems ungrateful for all the freedom and opportunity this country currently affords us. Has there been terrible injustice in the past? Of course, but don't obsess about things that occurred decades or centuries ago, to the point that it becomes counterproductive to being able to take advantage of the great current opportunities which are available to you as a US citizen. The future is wide open, go for it. Don't listen to anyone telling you that you can't succeed in today's society because of the "man" holding you down.
(02-10-2021, 07:42 PM)mtrot Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't seem "cool" in the least to me, and nobody should be pressured to kneel for our national anthem(Charles Barkely said precisely that, live on TNT last season). It just seems ungrateful for all the freedom and opportunity this country currently affords us. Has there been terrible injustice in the past? Of course, but don't obsess about things that occurred decades or centuries ago, to the point that it becomes counterproductive to being able to take advantage of the great current opportunities which are available to you as a US citizen. The future is wide open, go for it. Don't listen to anyone telling you that you can't succeed in today's society because of the "man" holding you down.
I have agreed with some of the points you have made but your last response seems completely tone deaf to what happened last summer.
A person was killed in broad daylight. The buildup of years of resentment at bad cops came to a boil. This is not someone talking about things years ago. The usual counter arguments are that blacks kill other blacks in gang warfare. How is that a justification for law enforcement who is supposed to protect all, killing folks?
Do I have a solution? No. But I am not going to sit and pretend there is no issue here.
(02-10-2021, 07:42 PM)mtrot Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't seem "cool" in the least to me, and nobody should be pressured to kneel for our national anthem(Charles Barkely said precisely that, live on TNT last season). It just seems ungrateful for all the freedom and opportunity this country currently affords us. Has there been terrible injustice in the past? Of course, but don't obsess about things that occurred decades or centuries ago, to the point that it becomes counterproductive to being able to take advantage of the great current opportunities which are available to you as a US citizen. The future is wide open, go for it. Don't listen to anyone telling you that you can't succeed in today's society because of the "man" holding you down.
So we aren´t having any problems right now? Do you really believe that the past isn´t having an influence on current generations? Should people be happy with less because they were born into those circumstances and just accept it?
I guess I lied when I said I was going to move on.
The problem with finding solutions today is everyone is talking at each other instead of to each other. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everyone had the mentality to seek FIRST to UNDERSTAND, then to be UNDERSTOOD.
Instead of looking for the worst possible interpretation of what someone says on the board, why not start by assuming positive intent and work from there.
This thread gives me tired head.
(02-10-2021, 08:59 PM)RDB Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I lied when I said I was going to move on.
The problem with finding solutions today is everyone is talking at each other instead of to each other. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everyone had the mentality to seek FIRST to UNDERSTAND, then to be UNDERSTOOD.
Instead of looking for the worst possible interpretation of what someone says on the board, why not start by assuming positive intent and work from there.
This thread gives me tired head.
I posted questions that I think get to the root of the problem...no one wants to discuss them and make things better...they want you to choose a side and then fight.
I am willing to have a reasonable conversation with any that wants to have one...but I assume they shut this thread down first, weirdly no one responds in this thread anymore or I am just attacked as being some beta liberal.
And...this has nothing to do with hating countries...it has to do with the abuse of power within governments.