DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know."

[cow]

When you put it that way, not much to argue with. We'll see. As I said to SH, I just hope that if they let him walk, they can find a way to replace what he brought in terms of rim protection and athletic finishing. I suspect not. I'm not expecting him to be one of our five best players - I just want him to provide a needed skillset when KP sits (like the first month of the season!!!). Whatever his commitment to basketball is, I doubt you're going to find those raw talents for equal or less money. Is there someone more committed to basketball out there who can provide those same two benefits that WCS provides consistently without basketball interest who would be available for $6 mil or less a year and within the Mavs' timeline???

There's no perfect solution. Ibaka might be able to approximate the rim protection but he's not a finisher. Instead you get is extended range shooting ability. Baynes is more physical so he doesn't check either box but you can have him wrestle with more traditional centers and again, has extended range. Triston Thompson I really don't like but he's probably the best rebounder of the bunch...I just don't think he's a fit for the modern NBA. I'm drawing a blank on the other options.

If we aren't in this Bogi hunt, I wish we'd just go get Baynes at this point. He seems to fit the price range and he gives a damn.

[LukasBestFriendForeverTonyT]

Would focus on a stretch big with the remaining MLE like Ilysova.  Mavs can't just abandon modern floor spacing concepts on one of the many nights that KP is injured or taking the night off for load management.

I wouldn't hate that, either, but to be fair, Kleber CAN play center.

I agree. Our goal of our center slot is defending the most physical player so KP doesn’t have to. We don’t mind having the option for him to, but we don’t want the necessity of it.

That’s what Powell was good at along with the other skills he brought. And Boban is just not more than a gimmicky guy who is awesome at what he is awesome at.

So I agree with the both of you, KP and Kleber CAN play the center. And will. But we need not wear them down by over relying on them. Granted we will have Powell back, and we have the smaller Johnson/Bey in the mix, and the league has gotten smaller, but I still think in 2011 our center depth played a huge role in our championship and want to see us repeat that strategy to some degree. 

So unless we get some kind of stand out player at another position, I’m just waiting to hear who the player is who wants to take on this role at the ~5M salary we are offering.

The main thing is the very real possibility that Dwight Powell is a shell of his former self and KP only plays maybe 30% of Mavs games next year.

so damn true.

[cjeter24]

Guys what if the Bogdan stuff is all just a ploy by Sacramento to get him on a reasonable deal because nobody thinks they are matching... 

Can we truly rule out that Sacramento won't match? Wouldn't a surprise match be SOOOO Sacramento?

I just dont see SAC committing nearly 16-19 mil a year on Bogdon after they are already paying Buddy 24 mil this year, 22 the next. If Bogi takes the lower end deal, SAC would be paying nearly 40 mil in just a SG rotation alone. 

Add in Fox's brand new max extension that's going to pay him 30 mil, and Harry B's classic 23 mil, that's nearly 100 mil in 4 players for a team that hasn't won more than 40 games.

Yes it doesn't make all that much sene from the $$ standpoint or perhaps even the on court product... And wouldn't that be why Sacramento is dumb enough to do it? 

This is more of a commentary on their stupidity ha

[omahen]

Desperate

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/133...5664456704

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Of course you have no other option but to sign with Lakers, if you are represented by Lebron Klutch. Still nice contract, though

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...7717288963

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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1330314710584086530

[SleepingHero]

Of course you have no other option but to sign with Lakers, if you are represented by Lebron Klutch. Still nice contract, though

KCP is now being paid 2 more million than Josh Richardson....

[omahen]

Final piece of the puzzle

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...0791848963

[SleepingHero]

Final piece of the puzzle

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...0791848963

Wtf.

Thats severely disappointing

[cow]

At least we will not have Triston on our team.



Odd they didn't bring Baynes back.  Maybe Baynes has another deal in place contingent on another signing. 

[KillerLeft]

Final piece of the puzzle

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...0791848963

Someone here was hoping for this...can't remember who.

[farhan583]

Who the hell is Wes Iwundu

[SleepingHero]

Well it says nearing... Maybe its not done yet.

I would be forever puzzled that the Mavs prioritized Wes Iwindu over Aron Baynes or Bogdon if they do end up signing him. I don't even know where he'd fit.

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Who the hell is Wes Iwundu

Pretty below average SF that came off the bench in Orlando.

[cow]

Final piece of the puzzle

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...0791848963

There is the MBT we all know and love.

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Who the hell is Wes Iwundu

Jedi from the pre-sequels.  Not George Lucas best work.

[SleepingHero]

Final piece of the puzzle

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...0791848963

There is the MBT we all know and love.

This is even more confusing considering the Nuggets just released Torey Craig........

[Branduil]

My assumption is that this means the Mavs think

A. Powell is healthy enough to play at the start of the season

and/or

B. James Johnson can play center in a pinch.

[Thukydides]

Now I´m so interested, what Baynes ends up getting. Something must be wrong there. I was sure, we would sign a big man, but besides that I like Iwundu. He´s shown great scoring potential

[StepBackJay]

Wesley Iwundu has to be a vet min guy which makes me wonder if the JJB noise is not accurate.

[KillerLeft]

My assumption is that this means the Mavs think

A. Powell is healthy enough to play at the start of the season

and/or

B. James Johnson can play center in a pinch.

I definitely think Johnson will see time at the 5, even if A is true.

[Jym]

Wesley Iwundu has to be a vet min guy which makes me wonder if the JJB noise is not accurate.

Same thing I'm thinking 
I don't want DFS out there as the "center"

[sefant]

A guy I really like is Wesley Iwundu from ORL. RFA but I think ORL lets him walk with as many wings they already have. His skill set and frame is a great match here, could develop into another DFS.

Never Vet min i think. If he is a RFA. 2nd yr better be a team option.

[luka_skywalker_77]

To me, the whole WCS thing is ultimately a philosophical dispute about 1) RC's damnable history with athletic bigs (Noel, Javale, arguably even Sammy) who, "Oh, yeah, they're the problem," and then they go to another team and show that, no, they weren't the problem; and 2) Powell. There seems to be a hell-bent hatred there for athleticism and rim protection. If Powell is considered to be a five, then there's no excuse for giving him the money and minutes he gets - he has (had) the hops to be a great rim-roll finisher and the intelligence to switch well defensively on the perimeter, but his rim protection is below non-existent. I tell you, watching Powell trying to bother, much less block, an offensive player's shot, hurt my eyes and my basketball brain. He reminded me of Keith Van Suck - it literally seemed that his hapless efforts to bother the shot resulted in a higher percentage than the shooter would have had were he wide open. Traditional fours need to provide some rim protection as well, or at least to be able to defend the paint against bully-boys. LOL Powell.

How about the modern wing-four? Is that what Powell is, a rangy, athletic guy with wing skills who can shoot from outside? LULZ no. He thinks he can shoot, and gets the green light to shoot, and has been consistently awful. He's not a traditional Millsap-type four, and he's not a modern four. Which puts us back at his being a five. Two words - hell, no. We engage in such narratives as Powell being the beneficiary of Cuban "needing to have gotten something out of the Rondo deal" or being paid for his locker room presence and community citizenship - both of which probably have some truth to them - because the alternative is to say that our FO are such terrible evaluators of winning basketball talent that they are willing to make the same mistake over (big minutes) and over (big contract) and over (a starting job? WTFF?) and over (a huge extension - why, why, WHY????) again.

And here comes a guy like WCS - so he's not a gym rat, perhaps a little lazy, bad at defensive rotations - but he has the center body and natural (as opposed to, worked-into) athleticism that Powell can only dream about. He can protect the rim in his sleep. He can finish the PnR quite solidly, perhaps even as good as Powell, presumably without the work and intelligence. I saw both of these during his brief stint with the Mavs. They are empirical, inductively-reasonable, fact.  I don't give a flying eff how lazy or uninterested in basketball he is when the results at the five-spot are already better than Powell. And it's some horrendous thing that the Mavs should bring him back on a Burke-sized contract - so the moralism of work ethic matters that much more than the fundamental results.

I suspect that you are not necessarily the Powell homer that Cuban, Donnie, RC, and a few tools on this board are, and that you just look at WCS and see a bad basketball player in terms of whatever criteria you're looking for. I'm sorry; I can't watch the man play without thinking of Powell. He may not be half the man Powell is, but he's a better basketball player for what might reasonably be asked of both. QED.

Look, I could forgive WCS for flaming out with the Kings.  He had the pressure of replacing one of the most talented players in franchise history and it's the Kings.  But his next few stops?  If there was something there, GSW would have held onto him.  He has the physical tools to be good at basketball and he's super intelligent.  Basketball just isn't important to him.  We could use him again as a stop gap but I'd rather look at almost any other option, they'll probably be more committed and more reliable.

When you put it that way, not much to argue with. We'll see. As I said to SH, I just hope that if they let him walk, they can find a way to replace what he brought in terms of rim protection and athletic finishing. I suspect not. I'm not expecting him to be one of our five best players - I just want him to provide a needed skillset when KP sits (like the first month of the season!!!). Whatever his commitment to basketball is, I doubt you're going to find those raw talents for equal or less money. Is there someone more committed to basketball out there who can provide those same two benefits that WCS provides consistently without basketball interest who would be available for $6 mil or less a year and within the Mavs' timeline???

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You're guilty of the same calumnies RC is. All I can do is shake my head.

Well, when your doctor writes you are prescription for your little dandruff problem, maybe have him refer you to an optometrist.

To me, the whole WCS thing is ultimately a philosophical dispute about 1) RC's damnable history with athletic bigs (Noel, Javale, arguably even Sammy) who, "Oh, yeah, they're the problem," and then they go to another team and show that, no, they weren't the problem; and 2) Powell. There seems to be a hell-bent hatred there for athleticism and rim protection. If Powell is considered to be a five, then there's no excuse for giving him the money and minutes he gets - he has (had) the hops to be a great rim-roll finisher and the intelligence to switch well defensively on the perimeter, but his rim protection is below non-existent. I tell you, watching Powell trying to bother, much less block, an offensive player's shot, hurt my eyes and my basketball brain. He reminded me of Keith Van Suck - it literally seemed that his hapless efforts to bother the shot resulted in a higher percentage than the shooter would have had were he wide open. Traditional fours need to provide some rim protection as well, or at least to be able to defend the paint against bully-boys. LOL Powell.

How about the modern wing-four? Is that what Powell is, a rangy, athletic guy with wing skills who can shoot from outside? LULZ no. He thinks he can shoot, and gets the green light to shoot, and has been consistently awful. He's not a traditional Millsap-type four, and he's not a modern four. Which puts us back at his being a five. Two words - hell, no. We engage in such narratives as Powell being the beneficiary of Cuban "needing to have gotten something out of the Rondo deal" or being paid for his locker room presence and community citizenship - both of which probably have some truth to them - because the alternative is to say that our FO are such terrible evaluators of winning basketball talent that they are willing to make the same mistake over (big minutes) and over (big contract) and over (a starting job? WTFF?) and over (a huge extension - why, why, WHY????) again.

And here comes a guy like WCS - so he's not a gym rat, perhaps a little lazy, bad at defensive rotations - but he has the center body and natural (as opposed to, worked-into) athleticism that Powell can only dream about. He can protect the rim in his sleep. He can finish the PnR quite solidly, perhaps even as good as Powell, presumably without the work and intelligence. I saw both of these during his brief stint with the Mavs. They are empirical, inductively-reasonable, fact.  I don't give a flying eff how lazy or uninterested in basketball he is when the results at the five-spot are already better than Powell. And it's some horrendous thing that the Mavs should bring him back on a Burke-sized contract - so the moralism of work ethic matters that much more than the fundamental results.

I suspect that you are not necessarily the Powell homer that Cuban, Donnie, RC, and a few tools on this board are, and that you just look at WCS and see a bad basketball player in terms of whatever criteria you're looking for. I'm sorry; I can't watch the man play without thinking of Powell. He may not be half the man Powell is, but he's a better basketball player for what might reasonably be asked of both. QED.

What former Dallas C went on to have a stellar career after Dallas? Btw if you're having trouble with that, i'll ask you also throw in every other young player the forum thought had potential but didnt ultimately play...

I already told you - Javale, and Noel. Javale started for two championship teams. Noel doesn't have those credentials, but he was better than advertised here.

They STILL garbage players!? The heck? They just were surrounded with enough talent to make their contributions binary.