2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[ClutchDirk]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2944...s-and-more

[Mavs2021]

Building on the report that there will not be a McCollum trade. I think it increases our chances of a trade centered around Nurkic and Porzingis.


Nurkic + Jones + Little + Blazers 2023 1st round pick. Added a pick, since it now seems the Blazers are committed to go ALL-IN.

We gain full cap flexibility for 2022.
We can trade all our future picks, cause we own a 2023 pick again.
We get a 26 year old starting center.

Sign Markkanen.

Trade THJ to Philly for Korkmaz/Hill

Doncic/Brunson
Hill/Korkmaz
DFS/Jones
Markkanen/Kleber
Nurkic/WCS

It´s still no true #2 option superstar, but we now own all "our" picks going forward, maybe we can build up some trade value with the "rookies", so we can finally build an attractive trade package at the next opportunity.

[cjeter24]

Building on the report that there will not be a McCollum trade. I think it increases our chances of a trade centered around Nurkic and Porzingis.


Nurkic + Jones + Little + Blazers 2023 1st round pick. Added a pick, since it now seems the Blazers are committed to go ALL-IN.

We gain full cap flexibility for 2022.
We can trade all our future picks, cause we own a 2023 pick again.
We get a 26 year old starting center.

Sign Markkanen.

Trade THJ to Philly for Korkmaz/Hill

Doncic/Brunson
Hill/Korkmaz
DFS/Jones
Markkanen/Kleber
Nurkic/WCS

It´s still no true #2 option superstar, but we now own all "our" picks going forward, maybe we can build up some trade value with the "rookies", so we can finally build an attractive trade package at the next opportunity.

I like it and I'm the camp of don't KP for nothing. 
But a 2023 unprotected pick opens up 22, 24, 26 picks which basically gives you 2 extra 1sts. Nurkic is solid and an asset too. I think you could take those guys and flip them at the deadline too. 

But most importantly you have to view it as 2 1sts plus cap space next summer. Dwight is expiring and Kleber is non guaranteed. Easy to wipe this off your books. You essentially only have Luka locked into your cap somewhere around 40 mill. Cap near 120. currently projected at 116 but I bet it goes up do to a surprise return to normal sooner. 

So roughly 80 mill to spend over the next 2 offseasons. Quite a bit of roster flexibility. That's a giant reset button. 
Of course you like alot of your guys so you probably keep several of them. But you don't have to if you have better options.

[Kammrath]

Building on the report that there will not be a McCollum trade. I think it increases our chances of a trade centered around Nurkic and Porzingis.


Nurkic + Jones + Little + Blazers 2023 1st round pick.

Would be 100% all over this.

[KillerLeft]

Would be 100% all over this.

Interesting. What am I missing about Nurkic?

All I see is an unremarkable, injury-prone (relatively, not KP injury-prone) malcontent. Seems like every time he's in the news it's about him being unhappy.

[Kammrath]

What am I missing about Nurkic?

An incredibly impactful guy on BOTH ends (his presence for POR is the make and break for their D) who is also friends with Luka. He is also NOT KP. Also having the full arsenal of draft picks is HUGE. 

So:

1) Replacing KP with a two way guy.

2) Getting a full arsenal of tradeable picks. 

I'm all in.

[Mavsfan7]

Why would Portland do it? Their defense is already awful..:why would they want to make it worse with KP and add to their already bloated payroll plus give up a pick in 2023 when Dame might ask out before then.

[Kammrath]

Why would Portland do it?

One word:

DESPERATION.


And Nurkic wants out. If they aren't trading McCollum they are somewhat trapped.

[BasketballJones41]

An incredibly impactful guy on BOTH ends (his presence for POR is the make and break for their D) who is also friends with Luka. He is also NOT KP. Also having the full arsenal of draft picks is HUGE. 

So:

1) Replacing KP with a two way guy.

2) Getting a full arsenal of tradeable picks. 

I'm all in.

I’m all for bringing in as many of Luka’s friends as we can.

[KillerLeft]

2) Getting a full arsenal of tradeable picks. 

Ok, so friends with Luka I like - I'm not too familiar with Nurkic, but I'll trust your practiced on/off opinion, as I usually agree with the conclusions you make about players I do know. 

But, what's with the picks? Did I miss a step? What makes you think KP is worth Nurkic AND a "full arsenal" of picks? Was that part of the speculation in the article?

[ItsGoTime]

Ok, so friends with Luka I like - I'm not too familiar with Nurkic, but I'll trust your practiced on/off opinion, as I usually agree with the conclusions you make about players I do know. 

But, what's with the picks? Did I miss a step? What makes you think KP is worth Nurkic AND a "full arsenal" of picks? Was that part of the speculation in the article?

Since you get back a pick in 2023 (has to be unprotected) after this draft, we have a pick in every draft going forward. That gives us a full arsenal of picks to give in trade for 1 or more players.

[KillerLeft]

Since you get back a pick in 2023 (has to be unprotected) after this draft, we have a pick in every draft going forward. That gives us a full arsenal of picks to give in trade for 1 or more players

Ok, thanks. 

So the article suggests that KP is worth Nurkic and an unprotected first? Yeah, I'm in on that, too.

[ItsGoTime]

Ok, thanks. 

So the article suggests that KP is worth Nurkic and an unprotected first? Yeah, I'm in on that, too.

The OP of this tangent said there is a report that Por is not seeking to trade McCollum. So his speculation is that the best way to upgrade the team then has to be through the malcontent Nurkic. So he suggested the Trade being discussed.

[cow]

 injury-prone (relatively, not KP injury-prone)

Without looking, I'd guess they both have missed a similar number of games over their careers.  

I'm not sure Portland would give up the FRP along with Jones and Nurk but that is the type of pu pu platter I've been expecting in return for KP.

[KillerLeft]

I'm not sure Portland would give up the FRP along with Jones and Nurk but that is the type of pu pu platter I've been expecting in return for KP.

It's not great, but two rotation players AND a pick, freeing up other picks? 

Better than I expected, tbh.

[cow]

It's not great, but two rotation players AND a pick, freeing up other picks? 

Better than I expected, tbh.

That's why I said I wasn't sure Portland would include the FRP.

[mvossman]

One word:

DESPERATION.


And Nurkic wants out. If they aren't trading McCollum they are somewhat trapped.

That is really not a good reason for them to do that trade.  KP does not really fit what they need and they can dump Nurkic easily.  Not sure why the would want to take on KP and can't imagine they would give up an unprotected first on top of everything else.

[StepBackJay]

I would take Nurkic + DJJ as mostly a cap sheet cleanup move. Nurkic could be the lead guy in a committee approach. I don't think we'd get any picks, maybe seconds. It really just depends on how bad Mavs want/need to dump KP and how willing other teams would be to take his deal for basically contract swaps.

[SleepingHero]

An incredibly impactful guy on BOTH ends (his presence for POR is the make and break for their D) who is also friends with Luka. He is also NOT KP. Also having the full arsenal of draft picks is HUGE. 

So:

1) Replacing KP with a two way guy.

Replacing KP with someone who gets injured even more than him***

(And also plays the center position in a way that is slowly becoming obsolete)

But sure, gotta trade KP for anything that moves !

[dirkfansince1998]

Replacing KP with someone who gets injured even more than him***

(And also plays the center position in a way that is slowly becoming obsolete)

But sure, gotta trade KP for anything that moves !

Expiring 12m vs 3 years 101m.