2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[Kammrath]

This team is better at this point in time of Luka's development being Luka and his merry men. 

Trade KP for 2 lower profile, higher caliber starters like Brogdon and Turner (not all stars, but not far from it) and we look soooo much better. I think looking for another high profile player is a mistake. 

In all honesty, I wonder if Collins is too high profile (same might be said of Brog, but he doesn't seem to have the ego of a high profile player). Holmes is another name I'm very interested in to replace KP if we get players in his trade that aren't a C.

Very much agree with this. One exception is I don't think JC is too high profile.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

KP for Rozier+Washington+Bridges.

Rozier isn't the secondary playmaker I am thinking of, but he does have nice assist numbers for a small SG scoring 20 a game.
Washington is the upgrade at PF, wouldn't interfere with a Holmes signing since PJ can shoot the 3 well. And the dude is just 22, think of PJ as the replacement value of the first round pick the Mavs would give to NY..
At the rate, DFS is improving, I am not sure if Bridges is an upgrade on offense, surely DFS is better on defense. But if Miles turn to be just a JAG as I think he is going to be, it sure is nice to have another athletic SF who can shoot at 40% clip. At least he has more use than a 3 point specialist like Bertrans.

Would Charlotte do this?
They do have a glaring hole at center and KP not only fills up the need but adding star power to a team who's scoring comes mostly form the guards. And, they have a guy like Hayward on that team which means they want to compete now, rather than later, can't wait for Miles to go on another level, he may not. And also, unloading Rozier will allow them to keep Graham and Monk. If they get KP their top 4 players could be Lamelo, KP, Hayward and Graham. Not bad.


For the Mavs:

F DFS/Bridges
F PJ/Maxi/Bey
C Holmes/DP/(Boban or WCS)
G Rozier/JR (if he opts in)/Green
G Luka/JB/Burke/Terry?

Still can sign THJ if he wants to stay.

No big 3 or even a big 2. Just a functional team that can compete and has the assets to flip for an upgrade.

Then at the TDL: You have everything you need to go at Lavine. 

[KillerLeft]

Very much agree with this. One exception is I don't think JC is too high profile.

Honestly, I'm not sure the sticking point is "high profile" in a general sense. I think what's needed is an understanding and willingness to fit in where Luka allows. Mostly, that's going to appeal to role players, but if a high profile guy really gets it, that could work, too. IMO.

[Branduil]

Honestly, I'm not sure the sticking point is "high profile" in a general sense. I think what's needed is an understanding and willingness to fit in where Luka allows. Mostly, that's going to appeal to role players, but if a high profile guy really gets it, that could work, too. IMO.

I think guys like Lavine, Beal, Brogdon, etc. would all understand their role if they came to the Mavs.


The fit problem with KP is that if you're a big playing with Luka, you need to be an elite rim roller and/or elite shooter, and play with the understanding that you're not going to get a bunch of low-post isos. It's the last part that seems to upset KP.

[Omega_Supreme]

Question for the board, if you could bring Josh Richardson back at 6 to 7 million per year similar to a Curry type of deal, would you guys do that deal?

[MFFL]

Question for the board, if you could bring Josh Richardson back at 6 to 7 million per year similar to a Curry type of deal, would you guys do that deal?

No

I think Green can do the job next year

[Mavs03]

KP for Rozier+Washington+Bridges.

Rozier isn't the secondary playmaker I am thinking of, but he does have nice assist numbers for a small SG scoring 20 a game.
Washington is the upgrade at PF, wouldn't interfere with a Holmes signing since PJ can shoot the 3 well. And the dude is just 22, think of PJ as the replacement value of the first round pick the Mavs would give to NY..
At the rate, DFS is improving, I am not sure if Bridges is an upgrade on offense, surely DFS is better on defense. But if Miles turn to be just a JAG as I think he is going to be, it sure is nice to have another athletic SF who can shoot at 40% clip. At least he has more use than a 3 point specialist like Bertrans.

Would Charlotte do this?
They do have a glaring hole at center and KP not only fills up the need but adding star power to a team who's scoring comes mostly form the guards. And, they have a guy like Hayward on that team which means they want to compete now, rather than later, can't wait for Miles to go on another level, he may not. And also, unloading Rozier will allow them to keep Graham and Monk. If they get KP their top 4 players could be Lamelo, KP, Hayward and Graham. Not bad.


For the Mavs:

F DFS/Bridges
F PJ/Maxi/Bey
C Holmes/DP/(Boban or WCS)
G Rozier/JR (if he opts in)/Green
G Luka/JB/Burke/Terry?

Still can sign THJ if he wants to stay.

No big 3 or even a big 2. Just a functional team that can compete and has the assets to flip for an upgrade.

Then at the TDL: You have everything you need to go at Lavine. 

That's a great trade proposal.  A good trade for both teams involved.  Rozier, Washington, and Bridges all shoot 40% or better from 3 point land and shoot over 75% from the FT line.  Washington and Bridges are only 22 years old.  Rozier only has 1 year left on his deal.  Washington and Bridges would still be on their rookie contract.  We would have plenty of money to spend in 2022 to go get a Lavine.

From Charlotte's perspective: Lamelo, KP, Hayward and Graham is a pretty good foundation.  They would have money to spend to add another player as well in 2021.

Thumbs up on that trade.

[Omega_Supreme]

No

I think Green can do the job next year

So essentially its the Seth Curry for Tyler Bey trade

The Mavs almost have to commit to seeing Josh Richardson beyond this season.

At the very least if we do lose Richardson I hope they do a sign and trade wherever he goes.

[Branduil]

So essentially its the Seth Curry for Tyler Bey trade

The Mavs almost have to commit to seeing Josh Richardson beyond this season.

At the very least if we do lose Richardson I hope they do a sign and trade wherever he goes.

This is just the gambler's fallacy. The value of Seth is gone, they won't get it back by keeping JRich.

[Mavs2021]

Not a single report at the time talking about what you said, but go ahead and believe whatever you want.

Yeah I can think for myself. Thank you.

If Porzingis re-injured his knee, he would have gotten a Cousins-like contract offer. He´d have lost $80M+.

Therefore his threat to sign the QO was not believable, so was his whole trade demand. He had no leverage at all. Simple as that.

If the Knicks wanted to keep Porzingis and were comfortable with a max offer, they´d have done it, whether he throws a hissy-fit or not.

That´s what matters, when assessing the trade decision from the Knicks side.

But yeah call me shocked that the Knicks didn´t run with: Hey you want Porzingis, there is no way in hell, we re-sign him, cause we believe his body is kept together by duct tape.

I´m positive Porzingis did ask out, but the Knicks were very comfortable to accomodate him.

[Kammrath]

if you could bring Josh Richardson back at 6 to 7 million per year similar to a Curry type of deal, would you guys do that deal?

[ItsGoTime]

Very much agree with this. One exception is I don't think JC is too high profile.

I may be reading too much into the rumors, but to me, there is at least a bit of smoke around him being a diva and wanting “his”. I don’t think anyone on a Luka led team CURRENTLY can have that type of attitude where they NEED to “get theirs”.

[ItsGoTime]

Honestly, I'm not sure the sticking point is "high profile" in a general sense. I think what's needed is an understanding and willingness to fit in where Luka allows. Mostly, that's going to appeal to role players, but if a high profile guy really gets it, that could work, too. IMO.

I posted immediately after reading his reply, but this says what I’m thinking as well.

[ItsGoTime]

Yeah I can think for myself. Thank you.

If Porzingis re-injured his knee, he would have gotten a Cousins-like contract offer. He´d have lost $80M+.

Therefore his threat to sign the QO was not believable, so was his whole trade demand. He had no leverage at all. Simple as that.

If the Knicks wanted to keep Porzingis and were comfortable with a max offer, they´d have done it, whether he throws a hissy-fit or not.

That´s what matters, when assessing the trade decision from the Knicks side.

But yeah call me shocked that the Knicks didn´t run with: Hey you want Porzingis, there is no way in hell, we re-sign him, cause we believe his body is kept together by duct tape.

I´m positive Porzingis did ask out, but the Knicks were very comfortable to accomodate him.

So comfortable with it there was not much mention or focus on that with all the salt thrown to the media at the time...

[DanSchwartzgan]

KP for Rozier+Washington+Bridges.

Rozier isn't the secondary playmaker I am thinking of, but he does have nice assist numbers for a small SG scoring 20 a game.

Washington is the upgrade at PF, wouldn't interfere with a Holmes signing since PJ can shoot the 3 well. And the dude is just 22, think of PJ as the replacement value of the first round pick the Mavs would give to NY.

At the rate, DFS is improving, I am not sure if Bridges is an upgrade on offense, surely DFS is better on defense. But if Miles turn to be just a JAG as I think he is going to be, it sure is nice to have another athletic SF who can shoot at 40% clip. At least he has more use than a 3 point specialist like Bertrans.


No big 3 or even a big 2. Just a functional team that can compete and has the assets to flip for an upgrade.

I like the direction of this.  Charlotte might be exactly the kind of team that would roll the dice on KP.  They probably have an extra guard between Ball, Graham, Rozier and Monk, so trading Rozier now before his free agency year makes sense.  BTW, his formerly great defense was seemingly left in Boston, but he’s a much better offensive player than he’s been in the past. He may or may not be the answer we’ve been looking for, but we have a year to find out.

I would actually do this without Washington.  I think Charlotte would prefer to keep one of Bridges or Washington.  I want Bridges.  He’s been a beast since he’s been starting.  Shorter version of Collins with a better 3 point shot.  He can rim roll.  He can do some things hanging around the basket.  He’s even shown some ability to ISO and draw fouls.  In his 17 games as a starter (all recent), he’s putting up 19/7/3 on a usage of 20 and TS% of .659.  I think you can start him next to DFS and fill most of your 3/4 minutes between those two and Maxi.  

You can do this deal at the draft (my preference) by adding a small salary in place of Washington (I’d prefer McDaniels).  I’d want a pick also, but my preference would be their 2023 pick so we’d have more options to trade all of our future picks.  Such a deal adds $6.5mm to cap room taking us to over $40mm without JRich/THJ/WCS.  Or, almost $37mm if you keep WCS.  I’d probably sign Holmes and keep Powell and WCS to be a 3 headed C rotation.  You have Bridges/DFS/Maxi at the 3/4 with Bey and McDaniels eventually joining the rotation.  You have Rozier/Luka/Brunson as your guard rotation with Green/Burke getting some minutes also.  And you have somewhere in the $20-$22mm range in cap room still.  With Rozier on board, you can carry room into 22 if you wish.  You have a solid 8 man with backups at all positions.  And, when some star comes on the market, you have Rozier’s expiring deal and the ability to trade 22, 24 and 26 if you’d like.

[Mavs03]

I like the direction of this.  Charlotte might be exactly the kind of team that would roll the dice on KP.  They probably have an extra guard between Ball, Graham, Rozier and Monk, so trading Rozier now before his free agency year makes sense.  BTW, his formerly great defense was seemingly left in Boston, but he’s a much better offensive player than he’s been in the past. He may or may not be the answer we’ve been looking for, but we have a year to find out.

I would actually do this without Washington.  I think Charlotte would prefer to keep one of Bridges or Washington.  I want Bridges.  He’s been a beast since he’s been starting.  Shorter version of Collins with a better 3 point shot.  He can rim roll.  He can do some things hanging around the basket.  He’s even shown some ability to ISO and draw fouls.  In his 17 games as a starter (all recent), he’s putting up 19/7/3 on a usage of 20 and TS% of .659.  I think you can start him next to DFS and fill most of your 3/4 minutes between those two and Maxi.  

You can do this deal at the draft (my preference) by adding a small salary in place of Washington (I’d prefer McDaniels).  I’d want a pick also, but my preference would be their 2023 pick so we’d have more options to trade all of our future picks.  Such a deal adds $6.5mm to cap room taking us to over $40mm without JRich/THJ/WCS.  Or, almost $37mm if you keep WCS.  I’d probably sign Holmes and keep Powell and WCS to be a 3 headed C rotation.  You have Bridges/DFS/Maxi at the 3/4 with Bey and McDaniels eventually joining the rotation.  You have Rozier/Luka/Brunson as your guard rotation with Green/Burke getting some minutes also.  And you have somewhere in the $20-$22mm range in cap room still.  With Rozier on board, you can carry room into 22 if you wish.  You have a solid 8 man with backups at all positions.  And, when some star comes on the market, you have Rozier’s expiring deal and the ability to trade 22, 24 and 26 if you’d like.

I would prefer to have both Washington and Bridges.  If it requires us to unload Green, Terry or Bey, I'm good with that.  I think Washington and Bridges are perfect fits in Dallas.

[omahen]

You can do this deal at the draft (my preference) by adding a small salary in place of Washington (I’d prefer McDaniels).  I’d want a pick also, but my preference would be their 2023 pick so we’d have more options to trade all of our future picks.  Such a deal adds $6.5mm to cap room taking us to over $40mm without JRich/THJ/WCS.  Or, almost $37mm if you keep WCS.  I’d probably sign Holmes and keep Powell and WCS to be a 3 headed C rotation.  You have Bridges/DFS/Maxi at the 3/4 with Bey and McDaniels eventually joining the rotation.  You have Rozier/Luka/Brunson as your guard rotation with Green/Burke getting some minutes also.  And you have somewhere in the $20-$22mm range in cap room still.  With Rozier on board, you can carry room into 22 if you wish.  You have a solid 8 man with backups at all positions.  And, when some star comes on the market, you have Rozier’s expiring deal and the ability to trade 22, 24 and 26 if you’d like.

One thing to consider. With this trade you basically cover positions 1-3 as far as starters are considered. And if you are comfortable promoting Green to fourth guard, you also have your bench. I am not really a believer at Bridges at PF - as DFS is not the best option there, I assume he would have similar problems. This means the only high level FA available that is not on positions 1-3 is basically Collins. Which is fine, as we should fit Collins and Holmes in 40 million, and that Charlotte pick allows us to offer a nice enough package for Collins SnT, if needed. You can always resign WCS with exception money. 

Luka, Brunson
Rozier, Green, Burke
DFS, Bridges
Collins, Maxi
Holmes, Powell

[DanSchwartzgan]

that Charlotte pick allows us to offer a nice enough package for Collins SnT, if needed. You can always resign WCS with exception money. 

It has to be unprotected, which may be a problem, but IMHO, that Charlotte 23 pick is MUCH more valuable than Washington from a team building standpoint.

Thanks on the WCS exception thing.  You’ve posted it a dozen times and for some reason I keep forgetting it.

[Jason Terry]

I like the fit with Charlotte as a trade partner. Charlotte doesn’t pay the tax. I think that’s an important factor in a deal with them. They’re not going over the cap to max out so KP would be a big investment for them with great risk. Why it makes sense is because KP and Ball’s max extension wouldn’t overlap, so now’s the time for them to gamble

My deal would be:

Mavs get Hayward and Bridges 

Hornets get KP and Green plus pick swap

Also with an “agreement” that Mavs sign Graham to an offer sheet that Hornets don’t match

Hornets turn around and re-sign Monk and unite the Ball brothers bringing in Lonzo. Then they could still trade Rozier and picks for another major move

[HoosierDaddyKid]

I would prefer to have both Washington and Bridges.  If it requires us to unload Green, Terry or Bey, I'm good with that.  I think Washington and Bridges are perfect fits in Dallas.

That's very ambitious, as I firmly believe Charlotte isn't giving up both of them. Don't you think they know about KP's injury history?  PJ and Miles are part of their young core. Don't see it happening.