2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[HanspardShowerVoice]

I think yes but I still am not big on a J Rich return. I don't feel he is bringing enough to the table.

One thing that has really stood out to me about Richardson after getting a chance to watch him up close for an extended period of  time .... he's just really not a great athlete.   He's got some length and tenacity that allows him to be pesky on defense, but he's not an elite shut down defender because he has trouble staying in front of faster twitch athletes (ie John Wall, even at this stage of his career).   And when his shot isn't falling (which is more the norm than the exception), he has very little ability to create shots or get to the foul line because he just really doesn't have the explosion or ability to put defenders in bad positions off the dribble.    Like maybe there  was a reason why a long 6'6" guard who played in a large, well scouted SEC program falls to the 2nd round?

[soog]

One thing that has really stood out to me about Richardson after getting a chance to watch him up close for an extended period of  time .... he's just really not a great athlete.   He's got some length and tenacity that allows him to be pesky on defense, but he's not an elite shut down defender because he has trouble staying in front of faster twitch athletes (ie John Wall, even at this stage of his career).   And when his shot isn't falling (which is more the norm than the exception), he has very little ability to create shots or get to the foul line because he just really doesn't have the explosion or ability to put defenders in bad positions off the dribble.    Like maybe there  was a reason why a long 6'6" guard who played in a large, well scouted SEC program falls to the 2nd round?

I’ll say it again - he’s replaceable

[StepBackJay]

I’ll say it again - he’s replaceable

For sure. I think he has a chance to up his value in the playoffs but he should already be motivated to play well being in what amounts to a contract year (he can opt-in obv but that's not ideal).

One of the more low risk ideas I like would be some trade for Rubio who is expiring next year. He is much more of a ball mover and I would like someone also who can get KP the ball in the best spot possible. His defense is good and you can bring him off the bench or start him. He's at almost 7 apg at only 25 mpg.

So if you stayed over the cap maybe you get Rubio, resign THJ and bring in another shooter for the MLE.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

Any interest in him on this roster?

[Mavs2021]

TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

Any interest in him on this roster?

I always wonder how many people know player X was already on the Mavs roster and got cut.

[omahen]

TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

I think he would be perfect as a Luka back up. So really mostly just playing minutes when Luka sits, not with him. He needs to have ball to be effective

[cow]

TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

Any interest in him on this roster?

He was mentioned after the Pacers game.  He's just a smart player and tenacious.  If the plan is to expand Brunson's role, you could do worse than McConnell to add to the rotation.

[dirkfansince1998]

TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

Any interest in him on this roster?

The way he runs the pick and roll reminds me of JJB. Would love to add him in the summer but I think he played himself out of BAE range and will probably get close to the full MLE.

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I always wonder how many people know player X was already on the Mavs roster and got cut.

Don´t think he was on the Mavs practise squad or summer league roster. What am I missing?

[SleepingHero]

I’ll say it again - he’s replaceable

Obviously. Most people are for most teams in the league.

JRich by no means should be safe from upgrades this summer, it's just that there are no CLEAR attainable upgrades that are clean moves.

Sure there are guys like DeRozan, who talentwise blows Richardson out the water, but going after him will require either a SnT (meaning emptying whats left of the cupboard) or losing Hardaway too. 

The guys around JRich level this summer aren't necessarily any better than Josh himself, which is why I think just retaining him and grab another vet guard AKA Dragic/Mills. Mostly because it's been proven that even with Jrich's streakiness the Mavs are a high level team.

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TJ McConnell cant shoot all that well but he's starting to become one of my favorite players to watch.

Any interest in him on this roster?

Would love McConnell even if there isn't a clear cut role for him on the team as constructed. 

I don't think he's worth anything more than 3-4 mil, but I think he's going to get a lot more than that just because a lot of teams need a smart point guard.

[cow]

Obviously. Most people are for most teams in the league.

JRich by no means should be safe from upgrades this summer, it's just that there are no CLEAR attainable upgrades that are clean moves.

Sure there are guys like DeRozan, who talentwise blows Richardson out the water, but going after him will require either a SnT (meaning emptying whats left of the cupboard) or losing Hardaway too. 

The guys around JRich level this summer aren't necessarily any better than Josh himself, which is why I think just retaining him and grab another vet guard AKA Dragic/Mills. Mostly because it's been proven that even with Jrich's streakiness the Mavs are a high level team.

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Would love McConnell even if there isn't a clear cut role for him on the team as constructed. 

I don't think he's worth anything more than 3-4 mil, but I think he's going to get a lot more than that just because a lot of teams need a smart point guard.

I'd see DeRozan as a replacement for THJ anyway.  You'd miss Tim's 3PT shooting but could that be offset with the steady points DeRozan gives you?  If you gave DeRozan a 4YR deal, I'm sure you could slip him into the 6th man role in the later years of the contract.

McConnell's shooting might keep his contract numbers down but he is making 3.5 mil a year.  I'd love him in that range.

[SleepingHero]

You'd miss Tim's 3PT shooting but could that be offset with the steady points DeRozan gives you?  If you gave DeRozan a 4YR deal, I'm sure you could slip him into the 6th man role in the later years of the contract.

Sure in theory. But by losing THJ our bench becomes a shell. Multiple times our starters are MIA in the beginning and the Brunson+THJ duo comes in and carries us till we can wake up. Further, we saw in the beginning of the year about how having 2 bad 3pt shooters out there kills all the spacing, it'd be a risk adding DeRozan on that alone. 

I can't see DeRozan ever being a 6th man until he's almost out of the league. If the Mavs could find a viable 6th man replacement I'm all for kicking the tires on DeRozan.

[mvossman]

I'd see DeRozan as a replacement for THJ anyway.  You'd miss Tim's 3PT shooting but could that be offset with the steady points DeRozan gives you?  If you gave DeRozan a 4YR deal, I'm sure you could slip him into the 6th man role in the later years of the contract.

McConnell's shooting might keep his contract numbers down but he is making 3.5 mil a year.  I'd love him in that range.

I see DeRozan as a Brunson replacement.  A poor defender than can distribute the ball and create his own shot.  Your typical 6th man type, who would lead the second unit and take pressure off Luka with the finishing unit.  The problem is I don't see how he fits with Luka.  He can't stretch the floor and generally needs the ball in his hand to be effective.  We already know Brunson works well with Luka, he can stretch the floor, is much younger and much cheaper.  I would rather stick with Brunson.

As for JRich being replaceable, with who?  I mean Lowery or Conley would be great but they are both in mid 30's and will cost over 20 mil a year.  Ball would be an upgrade, but he will cost at least 20 and is restricted.  Is there a guy in free agency that can guard 1-3 effectively, can generally shoot the 3 at league average (although not so far this year) and in general be moderately competent on offense for a reasonable (12-15) price?

[dirkfansince1998]

Sure in theory. But by losing THJ our bench becomes a shell. Multiple times our starters are MIA in the beginning and the Brunson+THJ duo comes in and carries us till we can wake up.

This. THJ+Brunson are the best bench scoring duo in the league. THJ is 2nd in bench points per game and one of the best high volume 3-point shooters in the league (11th in made 3s). Brunson is one of the top non bigs when it comes to scoring efficiency (16th in the league in TS%, 5th among non bigs).

Quick comparisation:

THJ: 16.6/3.5/1.7, 44.8/39.5/79.3 58.7% TS
Jordan Clarkson, odds on favorite to win 6th man of the year: 17.2/3.9/2.2, 42.2/34.9/95.5  55.2% TS

[cow]

The problem is I don't see how he fits with Luka. 

As for JRich being replaceable, with who? 

My concern with DeRozan as well.  

I'd take no one over JRich, honestly.  He'll most likely opt out and if he strikes out in free agency, he knows he can always come back to the Mavs given their free agency track record.  I wouldn't invest any type of years into him, I just don't think he'd be a moveable asset.

I love Lonzo.  I've been beating his drum for a long time.  I don't know if I love Lonzo at 20m.

[ItsGoTime]

Anyone interested in a DeRozan for JRich/Powell/3 seconds SnT? JRich and DeRozan would have to be good with the destination. Not for sure I’d do it, but it is interesting.

Edit: DeRozan front loaded declining 4 year contract.

[cow]

This. THJ+Brunson are the best bench scoring duo in the league. THJ is 2nd in bench points per game and one of the best high volume 3-point shooters in the league (11th in made 3s). Brunson is one of the top non bigs when it comes to scoring efficiency (16th in the league in TS%, 5th among non bigs).

Quick comparisation:

THJ: 16.6/3.5/1.7, 44.8/39.5/79.3 58.7% TS
Jordan Clarkson, odds on favorite to win 6th man of the year: 17.2/3.9/2.2, 42.2/34.9/95.5  55.2% TS

THJ will also be less expensive than DeRozan.  I just have confidence issues in him when it comes to big games or the playoffs.

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Anyone interested in a DeRozan for JRich/Powell/3 seconds SnT? JRich and DeRozan would have to be good with the destination. Not for sure I’d do it, but it is interesting.

I doubt the Spurs are interested but sure.

[dirkfansince1998]

Anyone interested in a DeRozan for JRich/Powell/3 seconds SnT? JRich and DeRozan would have to be good with the destination. Not for sure I’d do it, but it is interesting.

Spurs aren´t interested. Mavs probably need all of those 2nd round picks just to get out of Powell´s contract.

[dirkfansince1998]

My concern with DeRozan as well.  

I'd take no one over JRich, honestly.  He'll most likely opt out and if he strikes out in free agency, he knows he can always come back to the Mavs given their free agency track record.  I wouldn't invest any type of years into him, I just don't think he'd be a moveable asset.

I love Lonzo.  I've been beating his drum for a long time.  I don't know if I love Lonzo at 20m.

Wouldn´t be suprised if Lonzo gets a near max from the Knicks or Bulls. Something in the 4/100 range. Would love to have him but it´s really difficult to come up with a realistic scenario. I think some kind of all in trade at the deadline (including 25+27 firsts) would have been the only option.

[omahen]

Spurs aren´t interested. Mavs probably need all of those 2nd round picks just to get out of Powell´s contract.

But this is basically what this trade is about. Us dumping Powell to a cap space team  We can sign DeRozan without SnT and SA can sign JRich without SnT. The only benefit is if we operate over the cap. But if we dump Powell, there would likely be enough powder left to resign THJ within cap space anway

[omahen]

Wouldn´t be suprised if Lonzo gets a near max from the Knicks or Bulls. Something in the 4/100 range. Would love to have him but it´s really difficult to come up with a realistic scenario. I think some kind of all in trade at the deadline (including 25+27 firsts) would have been the only option.

Optimistic scenario would be: 
1. Convince Ball he wants to come and agree to a number (hopefully less than max)
2. Say NO, we are prepared to offer max, but we are giving them draft compensation for a SnT
3. Worst case, NO calls our bluff and makes Ball very happy. I doubt they match max offer for him.

If we dump Powell, we still have 15 mil to play with. Enough to keep THJ or look for a big wing or center upgrade.