2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[cow]

Yeah, don´t want to be involved with dumb and dumber (again). Don´t want to pay for shuffling Powell into a kind of similar player. There will somebody like Alex Len or Aaron Baynes left without a dance partner to be my X for the BAE.

Waiting around is what got us into the WCS situation.  This year, Dumb and Dumber (again) would be far preferable to WCS/Boban and less expensive.  D12 on a ~3M contract next year would be an amazing get.  Len is a big no thank you.  Wouldn't mind Baynes.

[StepBackJay]

This is new to me. I follow Hollinger on The Athletic and Twitter and haven't seen this one. The only mention of Mavs in todays piece:

teams like Dallas and Miami and others could find a way to lure him away. (speaking about CP3 - not saying that this is actually their plan)

https://theathletic.com/2504113/2021/04/...e-options/

Man CP3 getting another big deal. Altho to me if he gets another deal wouldn't it be a Phoenix extension? He wanted to go there and the team has played great so why wouldn't they pay up if that's what it takes?

[StepBackJay]

Just tire kicking this CP3 thing (which I have been against thus far), if you are replacing THJ + J Rich for CP3 that seems like a clear upgrade assuming he doesn't drop off soon.

You would need to find a shooter with the smaller MLE so that could be a problem. Having two all-time great passers and losing your best shooter would be tricky. I do think CP3 would help get KP the ball in advantageous situations.

Regarding the money, CP3 would be taking a pretty big haircut in year 1 unless Mavs traded Powell away to free up more space. I realize CP3 could make more in a 3 year 100 mil contract but year one still might be 9 mil or so less than he would have made opted-in. Furthermore why wouldn't Phoenix just give him a 2 year extension? Then he gets his 44 mil + whatever he gets in the extension. That seems more likely.

[StepBackJay]

https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/statu...23939?s=21

Also an idea I have kicked around is a Powell, Rubio trade that frees up future money and brings in a still useful passer for not much. Not sure if Minney has use for Powell but Rubio doesn't seem to be a good fit there.

[KillerLeft]

A Redick sign and trade is an unlikely scenario and I don´t think any team will offer him more than the BAE anyway. Maybe the Mavs could steal a 2nd round pick from the Nets or 76ers but that´s it. More likely that he just walks away. He probably signs a vet mind deal with the 76ers or Nets.

I know you’re not a fan, but I think the league’s opinion of Redick is much higher than yours. I don’t think his stint in New Orleans this year was indicative of his current potential as a player, even given his age. I am cautiously hopeful that he will make an impact here to end the season, and even if he doesn’t I think he’s the type of player whose stature will bring him a pretty nice payday for one or two more years. 

We’ll see.

[dirkfansince1998]

I know you’re not a fan, but I think the league’s opinion of Redick is much higher than yours. I don’t think his stint in New Orleans this year was indicative of his current potential as a player, even given his age. I am cautiously hopeful that he will make an impact here to end the season, and even if he doesn’t I think he’s the type of player whose stature will bring him a pretty nice payday for one or two more years. 

We’ll see.

Just looking at comparable players. Redick will be 37 in just a few month. Korver signed his last contract at the same age. Was waived a few month later and signed a vet min deal with the Bucks. Maybe his reputation will land him one more contract but I think any team that offers him more than the BAE will regret it.

[DanSchwartzgan]

A Redick sign and trade is an unlikely scenario and I don´t think any team will offer him more than the BAE anyway.  

I will take the over.

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/thehoopcentral/statu...23939?s=21

IF this is true, then it seems like the Mavs are not thinking JB is that player. It sure seems then that they would be using JB as trade bait to GET that particular guy....right?

[DanSchwartzgan]

Man CP3 getting another big deal. Altho to me if he gets another deal wouldn't it be a Phoenix extension?  

Two words...       Robert       Sarver

[Kammrath]

Is the Hollinger bit in here?

https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status...6751232000

[DanSchwartzgan]

IF this is true, then it seems like the Mavs are not thinking JB is that player. It sure seems then that they would be using JB as trade bait to GET that particular guy....right?

Or, maybe JRich is not that player.

[Kammrath]

Or, maybe JRich is not that player.

But JB sure SEEMS like the future of that and that future seems really close.

[dirkfansince1998]

I will take the over.

That would make a sign/trade even more difficult. Mavs would need to use capspace and the returning player would need to be worth more than the THJ/Richardson +MLE combination. Number of years and luxury tax rules make it nearly impossible to do it in a no capspace scenario.

[Mavs2021]

Interesting question: Do we become a PF/C buyout/ring chaser destination, if we manage to S&T for UFAs DeRozan and Lowry?

That seems like a combination of players Carlisle and Cuban would be interested in.

[cow]

Just tire kicking this CP3 thing (which I have been against thus far), if you are replacing THJ + J Rich for CP3 that seems like a clear upgrade assuming he doesn't drop off soon.

You would need to find a shooter with the smaller MLE so that could be a problem. Having two all-time great passers and losing your best shooter would be tricky. I do think CP3 would help get KP the ball in advantageous situations.

Regarding the money, CP3 would be taking a pretty big haircut in year 1 unless Mavs traded Powell away to free up more space. I realize CP3 could make more in a 3 year 100 mil contract but year one still might be 9 mil or so less than he would have made opted-in. Furthermore why wouldn't Phoenix just give him a 2 year extension? Then he gets his 44 mil + whatever he gets in the extension. That seems more likely.

If you could get the CP3 deal signed at midnight at the start of free agency, he could help you recruit veteran free agents.

[StepBackJay]

Two words...       Robert       Sarver

Like he will be too cheap? They aren't in luxury tax trouble. Their salary rolls are pretty clean, they can afford to overpay CP3 really just bc they don't really pay anyone else outside of Booker.

[omahen]

Is the Hollinger bit in here?

Just listening, first half hour, nothing about Dallas yet

[StepBackJay]

If you could get the CP3 deal signed at midnight at the start of free agency, he could help you recruit veteran free agents.

I am still like why doesn't he just do an opt-in and extend with PHX? They have been a miserable team for many years and are finally relevant and good. He had some choice in where he went when OKC was shopping him and that was a destination he was happy with. I don't see why he would need to go anywhere.

[cow]

Like he will be too cheap? They aren't in luxury tax trouble. Their salary rolls are pretty clean, they can afford to overpay CP3 really just bc they don't really pay anyone else outside of Booker.

Yup.  $125 on the books for 21-22 if CP3 opts in.  $68 on the books for 22-23 with Ayton and Bridges needed contracts.  They are in really good shape.

[cow]

I am still like why doesn't he just do an opt-in and extend with PHX? They have been a miserable team for many years and are finally relevant and good. He had some choice in where he went when OKC was shopping him and that was a destination he was happy with. I don't see why he would need to go anywhere.

That seems likely.  He wants to win and he wants his money.  Maybe someone gives him a 3YR/90-100m offer and the Suns don't want to extend him and he considers it.  Could he get a 2YR contract after he opts in in the 23-33m per range?  *shrug*