DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know."

[Kammrath]

Maybe @Kammrath's computer did, but I came away from the series thinking Harrell was one of the main reasons Dallas was able to be as competitive as they were.

Harrell is NOT a good defender from a statistical stand point. 

And in the playoffs this year the Clippers were 12.9 points WORSE on defense when he played.

[omahen]

Simmons, whose value is more tied to having the ball than anyone else I can think of

I don't think so. Simmons is like Giannis. He is great in the fast break, but he shouldn't be running the halfcourt offense, as long as he doesn't want to shoot it. It is just so easy to defend him without a shot. Even easier than Giannis. So I see a very good match with Paul. Simmons pushing the fastbreak and Paul running halfcourt offense with Simmons playing a post up or PnR with him.

[Hypermav]

Houston rumored to want Mo "Capela" Bamba.  lol

[omahen]

I just can't imagine, based on what I watched in the bubble, what that missing element to his game could possibly be.

He basically missed or preparation time because of death in his family - grandmother he was really close with. He was out for a month or something like that. So he was totally unprepared, zero conditioning and this kills a guy like him. He just couldn't run the floor. He was great in the regular season (and last season), because he plays with extremely high energy. That was not a case in the bubble.

[KillerLeft]

Simmons, whose value is more tied to having the ball than anyone else I can think of

I don't think so. Simmons is like Giannis. He is great in the fast break, but he shouldn't be running the halfcourt offense, as long as he doesn't want to shoot it. It is just so easy to defend him without a shot. Even easier than Giannis. So I see a very good match with Paul. Simmons pushing the fastbreak and Paul running halfcourt offense with Simmons playing a post up or PnR with him.

Ok, I can see it. But, can Simmons? I didn't watch Philly in the playoffs last year (wish I would have) but I've heard Butler and Reddick talk about how they got to the playoffs, and all of a sudden Brown took the ball away from Simmons and ran everything through Butler. Butler's point was along the lines of "it was the right decision, but I don't blame Ben for being upset. It wasn't how we played all year." (paraphrasing, not a direct quote)

Maybe you're right, because I agree that the shooting is the issue there. I just think the dude is a lot like Luka, Kidd, etc, when it comes to basketball IQ, and it seems like a crime to give up on that part of his game. Even if it is the right thing to do for the team, I wonder if he'd be on board with it.

[omahen]

Houston rumored to want Mo "Capela" Bamba.  lol

What could they give up for him? Would Orlando be so stupid to take Gordon contract and pay Bamba?  They literally don't have anything of positive value, unless they are moving their core pieces Covington and Tucker.

[KillerLeft]

I just can't imagine, based on what I watched in the bubble, what that missing element to his game could possibly be.

He basically missed or preparation time because of death in his family - grandmother he was really close with. He was out for a month or something like that. So he was totally unprepared, zero conditioning and this kills a guy like him. He just couldn't run the floor. He was great in the regular season (and last season), because he plays with extremely high energy. That was not a case in the bubble.

Ok, so is that all that was missing, just a high level of motor and running? Because that can be super valuable, but I don't know that it makes this particular player more attractive to me.

[omahen]

but I don't blame Ben for being upset. It wasn't how we played all year

Someone should hold him accountable for his non shooting stupidity. Dear Mr. Simmons - either you start shooting the ball or you will be reduced to PnR action on offense. Your choice. It is just beyond stupid that a modern basketball player of his skills doesn't WANT to shoot the ball. And no team will win a title with him being the PG until he starts shooting.

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Because that can be super valuable

I think he is a great guy to have on the bench. He kills most of second units. I doubt he would be so good starter. Mavs had a Harrell killer in Bobi, but not many teams have a player like that. He is just overpowering smaller and weaker guys on offensive boards, he is strong enough to guard bigger guys (unless they have Bobi skill) and he is faster than those bigger guys. So, if you can get him for bench money, good. If they think he is a starter on a contender, they will be dissapointed.

[StepBackJay]

I agree that Harris is a good player. I agree that some team might see him as a value and trade for him. But unfortunately, with that contract, KP's contract and Luka's extension on the horizon, acquiring him WOULD limit what they were able to do from there  on, so it's just not a move I'd make unless I thought he was THE missing piece, which I don't.

Ya I am not saying Mavs should get him, just saying if the Sixers wanted to trade him away they could. For example the Bulls would probably give you OPJ and ppl think OPJ is the greatest thing ever so that would free up future dollars, to the extent the Sixers care ab that.

Horford is going to get moved for somebody. He's a good player, good leader that could help one of these rebuilding teams get their sh*t together. Philly gets back a shooter and they are back in business.

[Jason Terry]

Let’s see how it plays out. The sixers are going after D’Antoni and CP3. They almost have to include Richardson. Harris is the guy they gave up significant assets for and I think Horford is who they move

I haven't heard anything about Chris Paul in Philly. It's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure I buy it. 

It would be a way to get some of that bad long term money off the books, so it makes sense that way. But honestly, a move like that would also signal that they are ready to give up on Simmons, whose value is more tied to having the ball than anyone else I can think of. 

You take the ball out of that dude's hands and you basically have Dwight Powell.

Not sure I buy it. I think Simmons is likely the perfumed inner thigh that's attracting D'Anotoni to the gig in the first place.

The rockets wanted MDA back. MDA did not want to go back it’s been reported. Why? Who had the power to trade CP3 for WB? Only Harden. MDA didn’t want it obviously it was foolish. He already has the relationship with CP3. This whole James Harden to Philly rumor today is just BS. They’re trying to lower the price of CP3 since it makes so much sense. My angle on Richardson was that Philly has 21, 34, 36. OKC only has pick 25. So pick 18 is more valuable than all their picks and may interest them. I’m not saying it’s going to happen it’s more that this is the type of scenario where we could get someone on the cheap. It will be out there this year

[StepBackJay]

Not sure why we can't put this to bed

Because you don't really produce any new arguments for your claim other than Richardson is supposedly a betters player than Schroeder. Which, at least for 2019/20, numbers don't show. Other than that they are both expiring and a rebuilding team doesn't need them, because they are better off trading them for assets. So, if he by chance ends up on OKC, his position and value will be basically same as Schroeders. It is not really that difficult to get  

Instead of repeating endlessly how JRich is so much better player, perhaps come up with realistic proposals other teams might make and we will see if they are really that much better than what OKC could get for Schroeder.

So two considerations yes 1 - circumstance for sure OKC is in sell-off mode and Philly is in desperate need to show they are real contenders. 2 - Schroder had one really good year but to me is still gettable for 18.

Maybe if the two players were on opposite teams I would feel differently but I think a 2-way young SG is more valuable. J Rich has been starting his whole career and Dennis has been a 6th man in OKC. Before that he was a guy Atlanta couldn't wait to dump bc he had off-the-court issues and couldn't shoot.

[KillerLeft]

@"Jason Terry" That's a lot of interesting dots connected. Based on that and my conversation with @"omahen" I'm thinking it's more plausible than I did in my initial gut reaction.

Paul would certainly be thrilled.

[omahen]

For example the Bulls would probably give you OPJ

Now why would Bulls do that??? Charlotte might be willing to offer Batum if Philly ads a pick. 

Harris will only be moved for a serviceable player of similar quality if there will be a couple of picks attached. Harris is a good player but just stupidly overpaid. He is something like 20 per player being paid max money. As Killer said, he kills all your flexibility. 

As from the Mavs perspective, I find it intriguing. He might be the player we need and if we can get him for contracts like Powell, Wright, Jackson and WCS, I would be very tempted. Of course  a third team that would provide value for Philly would be needed. I already provided a version once:

OKC: Powell, Wright, Jackson, Philly picks (they save a lot of money)
Philly: THJ, CP3 (same money in 2021, save long term, better fitting players)
Dallas: Harris, Richardson, Scott (better players than what is going out)

[Kammrath]

ppl think OPJ is the greatest thing ever

[Hypermav]

Houston rumored to want Mo "Capela" Bamba.  lol

What could they give up for him? Would Orlando be so stupid to take Gordon contract and pay Bamba?  They literally don't have anything of positive value, unless they are moving their core pieces Covington and Tucker.

I think it is House or Eric Gordon. Maybe they could trade Westbrook   I agree with you.

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[StepBackJay]

For example the Bulls would probably give you OPJ

Now why would Bulls do that??? Charlotte might be willing to offer Batum if Philly ads a pick. 

Harris will only be moved for a serviceable player of similar quality if there will be a couple of picks attached. Harris is a good player but just stupidly overpaid. He is something like 20 per player being paid max money. As Killer said, he kills all your flexibility. 

As from the Mavs perspective, I find it intriguing. He might be the player we need and if we can get him for contracts like Powell, Wright, Jackson and WCS, I would be very tempted. Of course  a third team that would provide value for Philly would be needed. I already provided a version once:

OKC: Powell, Wright, Jackson, Philly picks (they save a lot of money)
Philly: THJ, CP3 (same money in 2021, save long term, better fitting players)
Dallas: Harris, Richardson, Scott (better players than what is going out)

The Bulls would love to get Harris, he's a good player. Again you are severely underestimating a player's value bc he had a max deal. Harris is the same guy as he was last year when the Sixers gave him a max deal. He is the same guy they traded for more or less. Ya it's not a great fit but he's got talent. You guys are going to be shocked to see what these guys get moved for this offseason. I expect a lot of big trades and they aren't going to be Philly dumping Harris for Batum which is the stupidest idea I have ever heard.

[KillerLeft]

I think it is House or Eric Gordon. Maybe they could trade Westbrook   I agree with you.

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Lol, the first thing I thought was "OMG Westbrook actually makes a little sense for Orlando."

[Scott41theMavs]

For example the Bulls would probably give you OPJ

Now why would Bulls do that??? Charlotte might be willing to offer Batum if Philly ads a pick.

Harris will only be moved for a serviceable player of similar quality if there will be a couple of picks attached. Harris is a good player but just stupidly overpaid. He is something like 20 per player being paid max money. As Killer said, he kills all your flexibility.

As from the Mavs perspective, I find it intriguing. He might be the player we need and if we can get him for contracts like Powell, Wright, Jackson and WCS, I would be very tempted. Of course a third team that would provide value for Philly would be needed. I already provided a version once:

OKC: Powell, Wright, Jackson, Philly picks (they save a lot of money)
Philly: THJ, CP3 (same money in 2021, save long term, better fitting players)
Dallas: Harris, Richardson, Scott (better players than what is going out)

If you're the Mavs, that team had better be a contender, because you're done for a few years at least.

[SwisherPrice]

Just say no to Harrell! He will not be cheap either, that 6th Man of the Year Award plus a career high in scoring will sucker some team into giving him a huge contract 

[omahen]

The Bulls would love to get Harris, he's a good player.

They would never trade OPJ straight up for him as you are claiming. Harris is perhaps marginally better but costs like 120 mil more. This is just silly take

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If you're the Mavs, that team had better be a contender, because you're done for a few years at least.

Sure. But we can agree, on the paper: Luka, Richardson, DFS, Harris, KP looks like a very good starting five. Complementary pieces. And you keep Brunson, Curry and Kleber for bench while you still have your MLE, #18 and #31.