(02-10-2021, 03:40 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not sure why it is laughable. A well playing KP is a pretty good return for Collins who is rumored to be leaving in FA. They have Gallinari for the starting PF spot and KP plays C. JB is their backup that has been said they are needing. We get a starting C/PF duo that has been playing for a bit already.

(02-10-2021, 04:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I haven't made up my mind on him yet myself. But there are trades that I think could upgrade this team involving him.

Edit: He is by FAR the best trade piece we have, if we go that route.

(02-10-2021, 04:45 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Collins front is that he's probably played his way into a max contract

(02-10-2021, 04:45 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: The bad news on the Collins front is that he's probably played his way into a max contract from the Hawks.  His stats this year are through the roof.  Hawk are 13.4 points better with him on the floor.  Atlanta is not interested in draft picks at this point in their franchise cycle, they want to compete.   He's also reportedly the emotional leader in the lockerroom (not Trae).   It's not ideal that they have loaded up so many big, but if if they let him walk who are they tading him for or who are bringing in through free agency that brings comparable or better production?    Okungwu might still be 2-3 years away from being an impact NBA player.

(02-10-2021, 04:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I personally think the only realistic path to Collins for the Mavs is trading KP. But knowing the Mavs they will not want to give up on KP that quick.

(02-10-2021, 05:48 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: I dont think the Mavs will trade KP unless he wants out because he wants a bigger star role and he can't get that with Luka here.  They dont want to be seen as an org that's always flipping dudes.  They already have enough problems in free agency.

(02-10-2021, 04:18 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Really?  Because with his injury history and salary I don't think he brings back anything close to a star caliber player, and I think it's selling low on the asset currently.  If we're looking for a star caliber talent to add to Luka,  the highest probability is to keep KP and gamble that he hits his ceiling.   I like Collins as a potential 3rd best player on a potential Championship team, but I don't think he'll ever be a multi-time All Star .. though he definitely looks like he has reached a new level this year if he can sustain it (contract year breakout??)_ 

 I do understand that KP is a definitely a very unique player that's kinda hard to build around, because he needs a very unique supporting cast that's not intuitive on face value.   But once you recognize the traits and what players complement him, that's a lot of the battle.

(02-10-2021, 04:16 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: The reason it is not a good one is because it is all internet here say without me doing my own research...but I read earlier today or last night about a John Collins or Clint Capella trade on reddit or RealGM...and a Hawks guy was basically saying there is no way they are trading CC.   The guy was saying supposedly CC has been killing it on defense and he is everything the Hawks thought he would be.   

I guess if I was to believe this guy and it was true...my thinking is I dont think they would give two good front court players away in a trade for KP.   Even if they dont want to max Collins and he is tradeable...wouldnt given up Collins and another front court guy(CC)hurt their depth?  And CC is supposedly playing good for them.

(02-10-2021, 08:10 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I hadn't heard that. 

He is still an end of game liability because of shooting 54% at the FT line. If they want to do more than just make the playoffs, they would need more than that from him. 

We have Maxi that can step in at the end of games in his stead and while that would be a step down on defense for the team, it would hopefully not be a huge step down overall (if at all). I guess the same can be said of putting Gallinari and Collins in, but if they're losing Collins in the offseason, they then have to replace him with something and if they don't, the team can't be as good.

(02-10-2021, 08:18 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: Can you rephrase the bolded...I am not following.  Nothing against you...it could be me.  Repost if willing.

(02-10-2021, 08:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: In light of CC being an end of game liability because of his FT%. The reason this isn't a big deal for us is because we can replace him with Maxi and hopefully the downgrade isn't detrimental as a whole. It could be a non-issue for ATL as well because they can insert Gallinari in place of CC, but if Collins is gone after this season, that becomes Gallinari and CC being the best duo to end and hack-a-CC becomes a thing to win against them.

(02-10-2021, 08:30 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: Awww...now it registers....thanks.

So...they give us two of their bigs in Collins and CC for KP and Brunson...their big line up is:

Nathan Knight
KP
Bruno Fernando
Gallinari
Okongwu

I have no idea if losing CC hurts too much or not with that lineup

(02-10-2021, 09:55 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: GSW: KP and Johnson 
DAL: Green and Wiggins