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(05-23-2021, 10:21 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: [ -> ]Future Maverick John Collins was pretty efficient in today's playoff game.  12 points (5-9 FG, 2-4 from 3 point land) 7 rebounds 2 blocks.  His defense on Randle was way better than I expected.

Atlanta would love to resign Collins but it will be a very tight window salary cap wise.  Trae and Hunter will be due big salaries in the next 2 years.  They have Collins' replacement in Okongwu waiting in the wings.

I think Dallas could easily do a sign and trade with Atlanta assuming Collins wants to come here.  Jeff Schwartz (Collins agent) will be key.

Easy tho? So he started, played 35 minutes and Hawks won. Not a great sign so far if you are wanting Hawks to make him available.

(05-24-2021, 06:49 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Easy tho? So he started, played 35 minutes and Hawks won. Not a great sign so far if you are wanting Hawks to make him available.

So this.

(05-21-2021, 09:44 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Luka. Seriously, Luka.

That might fly if you had a legit defensive center, but a KP/Luka frontcourt would be a real issue defensively.

I have voiced my concern with Collins on this board many times...claiming he never jumps off the screen when I have seen him play.   I question maxing someone that doesnt stand out amongst other NBA players(regardless on market dictating pricing).  My reasoning is that max players should stand out to casuals when you watch them.   Pass the eye test so to speak.

I watched Collins exclusively from the 8 minute mark in the 2nd quarter until half...had some errands to run...and then watched him his entire 4th quarter stint in Game 1.

I am no scout...just a casual who has no idea about the small details(fundamentals) that make a front court player really good that the casual fan doesnt know to look for...

I was paying attention to his defense since that seems to be his biggest question mark...

Collins was not bad at all.   And thats without knowing what his exact assignment on the court was.

He constantly had his head on a swivel while on defense...constantly.   He was alert and not lazy.

He was boxing out on shot attempts

He was taking calculated and precise swipes at the ball when a ball handler was near him

He was contesting shots around the rim as good as you could ask without fouling...he was active

I saw him get isolated on a PNR and he broke up the play when a lob was attempted

I dont remember him being super aggressive on rebounds but I know he is known to have good rebound games.   Is this an area he could improve in or were bounces not going his way this game?   I would have to rewatch but I dont remember overly aggressive activity from him towards rebounds.   

Offensively he hit a three...flushed an 'oop...pulled a nice shake move and turn around 7-10 footer

From a casual...I saw no huge hole in his game.   He may get used against bigger front court players that have a polished offensive game....but he seemed fine to me defensively last game.  Again...Im a casual.

Also...I saw him and Trey in a huddle looking like nothing is going on between them.  

I dont know how often players like Collins' skill set become available, how much those guys usually get paid...nor do I know how desperate Dallas is for a frontcourt player(do they need to Max him? or sign someone before Luka contract)...but from watching him one game he doesnt seem to have any glaring holes.   I will watch the rest of the playoffs to see how he performs...he may not try hard on defense in reg season...but last game he didnt seem to be a liability.   Maybe it was a good match  up for him?

I dont know anything about FO stuff or Hawks books...but I question them letting this guy go.  Based on watching him one game.  A playoff game, though.

If he can play defense consistently, I'm okay with it....but I'm not confident with that.  I think adding another one dimensional player will not help us.

I think you need to get the best talent you can. That being said, since getting Collins might cost Maxi or THJ then I am not sold. Furthermore if he plays great during the playoffs then he won't be available anyway.

For the time being I am downgrading Collins as a realistic target given the cost and likely availability.

Terrible half. Three minutes. Three fouls. That´s it.

(05-25-2021, 04:47 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]If he can play defense consistently, I'm okay with it....but I'm not confident with that.  I think adding another one dimensional player will not help us.

I don't think he's one dimensional but he's probably not a great defender either.

He doesn't have the best perimeter help which will make his defense look worse when he's having to help cover for guys getting blown by. 
Can he stay in front of his guy? What I've seen of him, he's solid in that regard. I think he's probably a neutral defender with some actual upside too. He's got the physical tools to be a solid defender IMO.

I've watched the entire 2nd half of this NY/ATL game, and I literally haven't noticed Collins once, I don't think. Maybe it's just not his night, but I'm officially pumping the brakes a bit on him as a target (for myself).

(05-26-2021, 09:12 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I've watched the entire 2nd half of this NY/ATL game, and I literally haven't noticed Collins once, I don't think. Maybe it's just not his night, but I'm officially pumping the brakes a bit on him as a target (for myself).

Probably because he was in foul trouble and barely played.

If you would have taken the trade centered around Maxi for John Collins, you would have had a 2-0 lead Atlanta 

Ok, foul trouble. But 0-2 in 15 mins, 2 rebs, 1 stl, -5 in a playoff game? Has KP ever had a performance that bad? And we have an 8-page thread devoted to maxing this guy? Yikes.

(05-26-2021, 10:34 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, foul trouble. But 0-2 in 15 mins, 2 rebs, 1 stl, -5 in a playoff game? Has KP ever had a performance that bad? And we have an 8-page thread devoted to maxing this guy? Yikes.

I am convinced ATL and their coaches know they are moving on from JC this summer. So they play him when he is actively helping them win, but they do NOT make a priority of getting him involved or even getting him minutes. They do NOT act like they are invested in him. And right now he is on a rookie contract, KP is not and the Mavs are already invested there.

(05-26-2021, 10:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I am convinced ATL and their coaches know they are moving on from JC this summer. So they play him when he is actively helping them win, but they do NOT make a priority of getting him involved or even getting him minutes. They do NOT act like they are invested in him. And right now he is on a rookie contract, KP is not and the Mavs are already invested there.

I don’t follow. Because they think he’s leaving this summer, they chose to play inferior players ahead of him in tonight’s game?

Lets be honest...tonight was the worst scenario you could evaluate Collins during.   2 fouls in first minute of game...4 fouls early.   I watched him with 5 fouls starting at 8 minutes in 4th and I didnt see a terrible player.   I will defer until next game.   I will watch him only for the entire game and report back on his defense and rebounding assertiveness.

(05-26-2021, 10:51 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Because they think he’s leaving this summer, they chose to play inferior players ahead of him in tonight’s game?

He was in MASSIVE foul trouble from the first minute of the game and it kept persisting. That is why he only played 15 mins tonight. 

I am talking about the way ATL has been handling him in general for months. They do NOT go out of their way to get him involved or even significant minutes. They do not look like they are investing in him as a long term part of their team. He was 6th on the team in minutes per game this season.

(05-26-2021, 11:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He was in MASSIVE foul trouble from the first minute of the game and it kept persisting. That is why he only played 15 mins tonight. 

I am talking about the way ATL has been handling him in general for months. They do NOT go out of their way to get him involved or even significant minutes. They do not look like they are investing in him as a long term part of their team. He was 6th on the team in minutes per game this season.

So his own team is not interested in investing in him, but we should pay assets for him and max him?  I don't want to read too much into a single playoff game, but I'm just thinking what if we made that trade for Maxi+ at the TDL.  Who would be guarding Leonard?  Would Collins be able to do what Maxi is doing defensively?  Would he really have made that much difference offensively?

Now a trade for Collins would likely be into cap space, hampering the ability to re-sign THJ.  It really doesn't make any sense unless they are trading KP, which brings in so many possibilities it's hard to speculate what might make sense.

(05-26-2021, 10:34 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, foul trouble. But 0-2 in 15 mins, 2 rebs, 1 stl, -5 in a playoff game? Has KP ever had a performance that bad? And we have an 8-page thread devoted to maxing this guy? Yikes.

Why foul trouble is being used as an excuse?
It is actually worrisome defensively

Oh wow last night's game was big for the pro Colllins-to-Mavs camp. Foul trouble, low minutes, no points. 

I am down on Collins right now just because I love Maxi and I don't like necessarily throwing a big contract number at Collins.

(05-27-2021, 04:28 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Why foul trouble is being used as an excuse?
It is actually worrisome defensively

Because he had one game of foul trouble? Really?