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(05-19-2021, 11:46 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Last I checked, those guys are not available.  I'm also not sure either would be a good fit next to KP (as defensive 4s).  I would probably put them in similar category to Collins, not quite max good, but close enough to get that contract.

I second the max thing.
The difference is they are quite not really worth a real max.
Collins is not really worth the pay for potential max.

Regarding fit to KP, I think Tobi might be a good one and in games where Middleton isn't a good fit, you just push him to the 3.
But as you said, they are not available atm.

I am down with JC as a supercharged DP. Mavs would still have DP around but I think DP is movable in the future if need-be. Otherwise you would the ability to have elite rim-rolling all game long. Now WCS might stick around and he's not quite elite but getting better and gives you some defensive versatility. Like Collins and DP, WCS can cover 4's and rotate out to the perimeter well.

So ya JC isn't the best idea ever but he's a viable talent acquisition target. You will have to pay him like a star even though he is probably a notch below but still has lots of upside being only 23. KP is getting used to the idea that he will play more 4 on offense.

A summer of JC/THJ/WCS is pretty good altho that likely means both JR and Maxi exit. Mavs would have a top offense but there isn't a solve yet for defense except to try to get more minutes for Green. Green has potential to be an elite point of attack defender. KP will need to improve on the interior but honestly a lot of blame should go to our perimeter defenders who are letting guys but on 1-dribble moves. When you let that happen then you are going to have trouble unless you really have an elite rim defender which KP is not.

Mavs would still be a very good regular season team even with an after (15th or so defense) and so you are basically hoping Green turns into a Dillon Brooks type eventually or maybe you can try to address defense the following year when you have a first round pick and MLE.

You might have to let WCS go and replace him with a cheaper rotational big but I really like Avery Bradley as a target for a low-cost perimeter defender. I think he will be available for that rMLE number and could help be a hedge against Green's development.

(05-18-2021, 01:08 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs can get N. Powell at SG that would mean they could do your idea of JRich for T. Young.  

Porzingis / D. Powell
Young / Kleber
DFS / RMLE
N. Powell / Green
Doncic / Brunson

New piece of news on Thaddeus Young front.  Apparently, he and LaVine are best friends.  So, if Chicago is all about retaining LaVine, Young as outgoing probably doesn’t work.

With DeRozan, I read they would look for a S&T opportunity. For teams under the cap there isn't a lot of benefit to doing a S&T but there are lots of over-the-cap teams and teams with contracts they'd like to dump if possible.

For the Spurs they have lots of cap space and don't really need to save all of it for a big name player. Would they take back a bad contract for an asset (namely picks?).

Examples:
- Kevin Love is going to get bought out unless Cleveland can dump him somewhere. Spurs could take him back with picks.
- Rockets could send Wall + picks if they like DeRozan better.
- Wiggins + something else could be attractive for both teams
- Kemba for DeRozan is one of the more interesting ideas. Celtics have all their own first round picks I believe plus 2nd round picks. DeRozan might fit what they want to do more than Kemba. For the Spurs 2 years of Kemba isn't that big of a deal and he's still a good player plus they would likely be getting a first round pick and probably multiple seconds. DR's salary would be lower than Kemba's so Celtics would save some cap space.

Thought I posted this ^^ in the other thread, sorry its a bit out of context in this one.

Would I max Collins?  Hell yes!  Is he the best player in this free agency class for the Mavs?  Absolutely.  Is he obtainable?  I doubt it.

But if he is, sign me up for a very young, athletic power forward who will shoot 60% from the two, 40% from the three, and 80% from the line with (relatively) high usage every single year for the next eight years. He’s also a pretty good rebounder, a decent defender, and is going to get better before he peaks.  It’s a no brainer really.  But, why Atlanta would let him go is beyond me. It would be awesome, but I don’t think it’s possible.  I hope the Mavs prove me wrong.

(05-21-2021, 06:39 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]But, why Atlanta would let him go is beyond me. It would be awesome, but I don’t think it’s possible.  I hope the Mavs prove me wrong.

So they are going to have a max deal with Trae kick in next year that will be 30 plus and if this is going to be near max then you have two max guys plus Capela at 17, Bog at 18, Dano at 20 and Hunter will also but up for a big deal in a couple years. Just Collins, Trae would be about 60 mil and those other 3 are another 60 mil so you are probably going to be in luxury tax with the rest of the roster. 

I think it just goes back to roster construction. I don't believe ATL thinks that Collins puts them over the top so they will trade him if they can get back an asset or two. The asking price at the TDL was a pick and/or young player which doesn't seem too high. Mavs would probably send Maxi who would be a good fit there and is cheap or a pick from a third team if ATL just wants to get a draft pick.

Maybe it's all a smoke screen. Also the playoffs could be very telling. Is Collins going to be a major part of the rotation? How does he perform? One playoff series could be the difference btwn him coming or going.

(05-19-2021, 09:08 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]That's the problem, we don't have one [a starting 4]. . . . 

Luka. Seriously, Luka.

(05-21-2021, 07:37 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So they are going to have a max deal with Trae kick in next year that will be 30 plus and if this is going to be near max then you have two max guys plus Capela at 17, Bog at 18, Dano at 20 and Hunter will also but up for a big deal in a couple years. Just Collins, Trae would be about 60 mil and those other 3 are another 60 mil so you are probably going to be in luxury tax with the rest of the roster. 

I think it just goes back to roster construction. I don't believe ATL thinks that Collins puts them over the top so they will trade him if they can get back an asset or two. The asking price at the TDL was a pick and/or young player which doesn't seem too high. Mavs would probably send Maxi who would be a good fit there and is cheap or a pick from a third team if ATL just wants to get a draft pick.

Maybe it's all a smoke screen. Also the playoffs could be very telling. Is Collins going to be a major part of the rotation? How does he perform? One playoff series could be the difference btwn him coming or going.

Well said. 

I think the play for Atlanta is to SNT him somewhere. Maybe that's the Mavs, maybe it isn't. I don't think he's in Atlanta next year. 
ATL has a bunch of highly drafted forwards several of them that are pretty good. They signed Gallo too. And Capela does a lot of what Collins does too. 

Depends on how serious ATL is about matching offers. But Mavs can offer Green and possibly Richardson which is the exact type of players Atlanta should be looking at a replacement forward coming back. Kleber or DFS make sense. 

It'll be fascinating to watch. I think the Hawks are most likely resigning him to a deal before he signs an offer sheet but if they got to match...Maybe they fold and take what they can get back. 

Also good post by DS. I've been liking all the rumblings that we have been interested in Collins. I think he fixes alot of our holes on the team. If KP and Powell can indeed play together, Collins is going to be even better since he's a 40% 3 pt shooter the last 2 years.

A big part of Collins appeal is his 3PT%, but I wonder if he can stay in the 40% range if he ups his volume to 5+ a game which would be likely in Dallas. My guess is yes since he seems to be a good shooter, but will it be immediately or take a season or two of further development IDK.

If you are in the pro Collins camp, I am not, you should be rooting for the Knicks win and Julius Randle going wild in the first round.   

I think I am rooting for the Knicks regardless.   Having a second round series of Philly and the Knicks will be run.  Fun to have good games in madison square again.  Even if Philly should win pretty easy.

Question:

Is Lauri Markkannen that much different than John Collins? 

Sure where they operate is a bit different, Collins preferring an inside out approach, while Lauri earned his reputation as a lethal 3pt shooter. But in terms of talent are they that far off from each other?

Both are questionable defenders. Both are looking for a change of scenery. 1 seems a lot cheaper than the other though...

(05-23-2021, 05:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Question:

Is Lauri Markkannen that much different than John Collins? 

Sure where they operate is a bit different, Collins preferring an inside out approach, while Lauri earned his reputation as a lethal 3pt shooter. But in terms of talent are they that far off from each other?

Both are questionable defenders. Both are looking for a change of scenery. 1 seems a lot cheaper than the other though...

So there are a few things to talk about here. Everything is in terms of what they basically are, not what they can become. As of right now, LM is a good outside shooter. That is it. JC has lots of other facets to his game. He can play in side and outside. He is capable of driving past a defender too. How capable? I’d have to watch him more than I have to know if he can drive into a lane full of defenders.


When you say they are both questionable defenders, that makes it sound like defense is binary. There are varying degrees of good and bad defenders. I’d say with JC looking decent enough next to a stellar defender in Capela that at this point, he can at least get to that degree of defender. However, he’s learning while doing, so if he works on that end, does he get better going forward? Randle is a good example of being a poor defender and having the light bulb switched on.

As far as LM’s defense? My understanding is it’s just plain bad.

Scouting starts now.

Great quarter. Show cased everything that makes him a near max (or max) player. Not involved on offense but taking advantage of the few opportunities that he gets. Good 1vs1 defense after switches. Including an onball block against Rose. Added another highlight block coming over from the weak side.
Really good boxouts against Randle. He really knows how to use his body and compensates for the lack of weight/length.

(05-23-2021, 06:24 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Great quarter. Show cased everything that makes him a near max (or max) player. Not involved on offense but taking advantage of the few opportunities that he gets. Good 1vs1 defense after switches. Including an onball block against Rose. Added another highlight block coming over from the weak side.
Really good boxouts against Randle. He really knows how to use his body and compensates for the lack of weight/length.

He just comes to work every game. Gets his rebounds, makes some defensive plays, scores efficiently. He will fit like a glove next to Luka and KP.

(05-23-2021, 07:54 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]He just comes to work every game. Gets his rebounds, makes some defensive plays, scores efficiently. He will fit like a glove next to Luka and KP.

Why assume that Vlade is going to take over as Hawks GM this offseason? The Hawks control JC's destiny, and would have to be a dumb as a cat's litter box to let him go.

Future Maverick John Collins was pretty efficient in today's playoff game.  12 points (5-9 FG, 2-4 from 3 point land) 7 rebounds 2 blocks.  His defense on Randle was way better than I expected.

Atlanta would love to resign Collins but it will be a very tight window salary cap wise.  Trae and Hunter will be due big salaries in the next 2 years.  They have Collins' replacement in Okongwu waiting in the wings.

I think Dallas could easily do a sign and trade with Atlanta assuming Collins wants to come here.  Jeff Schwartz (Collins agent) will be key.