(12-10-2020, 08:38 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]How? Mavs need to give up his caphold to make any max offers. Once they signed a max contract they don´t have the capspace to sign JRich? In a fantasy world they could try to create even more capspace and get rid of any contract outside of Luka, KP and guys on rookie contracts but I am not sure how getting rid of the entire bench depth is going to improve the team.
I guess JRich could opt in but that´s only going to happen if he has a mediocre season. He is in for a big pay day if he performs even close to his pre 76ers level.
Dumping everyone except Luka, KP, JRich, DFS, and the rookies gets them there. More realistically, they could get Giannis in a sign-and-trade at that point without devastating their bench depth.
(12-10-2020, 08:01 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]THJ would almost certainly be gone but there are multiple paths to keeping JRich in the unlikely event we get Giannis.
Chief among them is Powell. GA would take his place anyway, so that makes sense. Removing the salaries of THJ + Powell doesn't get there in terms of pure cap space if you are keeping JRich (even at his $11.6mm PO number). Someone else has to go.
I guess you could do a double S&T. If Milwaukee is willing to play along, Powell and S&T THJ at anything above $16mm gets you there. They don't have to go to Milwaukee, but they have to go out in the same deal that brings back GA. That's a lot that would have to go right but it is certainly theoretically possible. If you go that route, then cap room doesn't matter because you are trade matching (BYC is a factor, but I believe this would be legal).
So, if you want to keep JRich AND get GA AND not give up any of the low dollar guys on the roster, you need to hope Powell is really good this season.
(12-10-2020, 08:51 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]So, if you want to keep JRich AND get GA AND not give up any of the low dollar guys on the roster, you need to hope Powell is really good this season.
Or that James Johnson is willing to collect a big paycheck one more year in a S&T. He can sign for up to $19mm (with only 1 year guaranteed) without getting into any BYC issues. In an ideal world, he'd be a big piece in any trade for salary matching purposes.
(12-10-2020, 11:01 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Or that James Johnson is willing to collect a big paycheck one more year in a S&T. He can sign for up to $19mm (with only 1 year guaranteed) without getting into any BYC issues. In an ideal world, he'd be a big piece in any trade for salary matching purposes.
Believe it or not, GA at his max is actually the BYC concern. It puts him about $700k above a 20% raise. The remedy is using his old salary for trade matching purposes, so no problem according to my amateur read of the FAQ.
I think big money to Johnson would be a fallback position. THJ at $16mm is probably preferable even at multiple years. It is a pretty unlikely scenario as it has to satisfy a bunch of people simultaneously. Just pointing out the possibility of doing trade matching rather than cap room. It gives you about a $6.7mm advantage in terms of being less destructive to the current roster.
(12-09-2020, 09:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I invite you to edit this yourself or delete it, so I don't have to.
This is insensitive and breaks our primary rule of be respectful.
This is not respectful to...
1) ...any posters of color here.
2) ...any people of color anywhere.
3) ...other posters here of any background.
4) ...yourself.
You may not agree with Black Lives Matter on some or many levels, but you need to respect that at the end of the day, behind the organization are human beings with real personal stories, experiences, sufferings, and traumas.
I hope you can see that and I thank you in advance for understanding.
So Kamm I did not mean to offend anyone, I am trying to say this as a positive thing for BLM, albeit snarky that Giannis can turn down $200+ mil if he wants to. I watched some of Lil Waynes' comments on BLM and he says basically the same kind of thing, albeit better than I could. Basically I am saying what a world we live in where Giannis and other black athletes have this kind of empowerment.
I wonder if the league considers that tampering? Probably not since it isn't an in your face overture. Either way the timing of that is suspect.
In any case, if Toronto is relying on Giannis caring about the Raptors failing to draft him in 2013, then by all means.
(12-10-2020, 06:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if the league considers that tampering? Probably not since it isn't an in your face overture. Either way the timing of that is suspect.
In any case, if Toronto is relying on Giannis caring about the Raptors failing to draft him in 2013, then by all means.
The whole Raptors fan connection to Giannis is Masai, there is even a myth there that he helped him to settle in Greece, with a twisted version that he has helped him to get Greek citizenship.
Both seemed from a bs article, that got twisted in another bs articles and suddenly it became "a well known fact " with their fans providing ton of links.
And other video he responded friendly about question about him.
Taking the cap/salary figures from
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/2021/
- Drop all relevant Cap Holds (THJ, James Johnson, Boban), ignore Bey/Hinton
- Signed Salary $92,697,005 + 2xemtpy slot ($925,258) +33,724,260 for Giannis first year (30% Max of $112,414,200) = 128,541,781
- Assume you can talk JRich to opt-in and get paid a year later.
So you need to drop 16,127,581 of salary to have room for Giannis, so you either trade DP and Maxi for air or trade DP and one of Green/Burke for air and drop WCS team option (adding one empty slot at rookie min).
All correct? Big questions are: will Giannis leave the super max on the table? Will JRich co-operate? Do you find a taker for DP?
Starters: Luka, Giannis, KP, JRich + DFS/Brunson/Terry depending on performance/matchups.
Bench: Brunson, Terry, Iwundu and 2-3 of Maxi/Green/Burke/WCS plus 2ways Bey, Hinton. Plus room exception, BAE and ring hunting vet mins.
2023 you can pay everyone you want to keep via exceptions.
(12-10-2020, 02:15 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]So Kamm I did not mean to offend anyone, I am trying to say this as a positive thing for BLM, albeit snarky that Giannis can turn down $200+ mil if he wants to. I watched some of Lil Waynes' comments on BLM and he says basically the same kind of thing, albeit better than I could. Basically I am saying what a world we live in where Giannis and other black athletes have this kind of empowerment.
I wasnt going to say anything after the first comment as I don't think you were trying to be offensive. However...
I'm not a BLM advocate but I am a African American. Yeah it's cool that that GA can take his pick of teams and still be guaranteed 200+ mil, and it's nice the Wayne has had the opportunity to make the money he has, but the average black household is under 50,000 a year, lower than any other race. Not really seeing that empowerment overthere.
I'm sure you weren't trying to take it there but they way it was worded reeked of the "we had a black president, what's the deal" line of thinking
Not trying to turn this to a social argument, just saying maybe when some of that other stuff balances more people will hop on that "what a wonderful world " train
Hey @Doncinomics I get what you are saying and I respect that. I probably shouldn't have said anything but with all the NBA BLM stuff I can't resist from time to time (altho I guess that's settled down recently). With all these athletes you have to be amazed though how they can come from nothing in many times to this stage where they are actually turning down hundreds of millions of dollars in some cases. I think it's great that we live in a country where that can happen, all things considered.
(12-10-2020, 07:29 PM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]Taking the cap/salary figures from https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/2021/
- Assume you can talk JRich to opt-in and get paid a year later.
So you need to drop 16,127,581 of salary to have room for Giannis, so you either trade DP and Maxi for air or trade DP and one of Green/Burke for air and drop WCS team option (adding one empty slot at rookie min).
All correct? Big questions are: will Giannis leave the super max on the table? Will JRich co-operate? Do you find a taker for DP?
I would prefer letting JRich go away if we know we have Giannis.
Get him, and see what type of FA who is all in on getting a ring and offer him the room exception (MLE)
Maybe if Miami get Oladipo then Dragic is available, I am sure he would love to be here with his body; Luka and get a ring? Maybe Derozen will have same intention?
PS: This is under the assumption that DP is either doesn't look as his former self and we will have to attach assets to trade him for cap, or that he is actually back to being good, which means I would prefer having him as we will need every possible depth for the 5 in case KP gets injured.
@SBJ it cool. Like I said didnt think you were trying to be offensive, more speaking to why some may be affended by the tone I've been following this forum for years, and your insight is one I've always appreciated. I know the NBA BLM push annoyed some but I think the conversations were the point of it all...doubt we would be having this exchange if it wasn't being presented.
Anyway, all cool. Back to dreaming about about a GA, KP, Luka and 2 shooter offense
Mavs have already worked this out exactly, or as Cuban says it´s total coincidence that....
1. Giannis Anteotokounmpo 33.7
2. Kristaps Porzingis 31.6
3. Josh Richardson 11.6 (opt-in)
4. Luka Doncic 10.2
5. Maxi Kleber 8.8
6. Dorian-Finney Smith 4.0
7. Trey Burke 3.2
8. Josh Green 3.0
9. Jalen Brunson 1.8
10. Wes Iwundu 1.8
11. Tyrell Terry 1.5
12. TBD 0.8
Total: 112.0
Projeted: 112.4
To be traded:
[Dwight Powell 11.0 GONE]
Or Richardson opts out and Powell is simply back on the books. Either way...
TOTAL COINCIDENCE is probably what Cuban tells that Stanford graduate Dwight Powell! Better hope he majored in English literature.
How likely is it that JRich opts in though unless he has a bad year?
I don’t see it happening. There will be cap space available so he will likely stand to get a raise if he plays well. It would take a lot of trust to opt in after just one season with a team expecting them to pay you the next year, unless he does an ‘opt in and extend’.
Maybe if he knew Giannis was coming and he would have a chance to get rings and $ just by waiting a year, but still, idk.
(12-10-2020, 09:45 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs have already worked this out exactly, or as Cuban says it´s total coincidence that....
1. Giannis Anteotokounmpo 33.7
2. Kristaps Porzingis 31.6
3. Josh Richardson 11.6 (opt-in)
4. Luka Doncic 10.2
5. Maxi Kleber 8.8
6. Dorian-Finney Smith 4.0
7. Trey Burke 3.2
8. Josh Green 3.0
9. Jalen Brunson 1.8
10. Wes Iwundu 1.8
11. Tyrell Terry 1.5
12. TBD 0.8
Total: 112.0
Projeted: 112.4
To be traded:
[Dwight Powell 11.0 GONE]
Or Richardson opts out and Powell is simply back on the books. Either way...
TOTAL COINCIDENCE is probably what Cuban tells that Stanford graduate Dwight Powell! Better hope he majored in English literature.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Your FA can't be your 12th guy. You actually have to account for 13 spots before signing the FA with whatever is left. So, under your assumptions, you have to add another $0.9 in slot 13 and another in slot 1 and then sign GA with what is left.
(12-10-2020, 08:52 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]think it's great that we live in a country where that can happen, all things considered.
A good quality for an individual person to have is the ability to be humble about one's faults even when that person has many strengths. And the opposite is obviously a bit of a character flaw. If someone told me "hey, do you realize that you've borrowed money from me several times without paying me back", it wouldn't really help that relationship for me to say "well, I pay all my bills on time."
The same can true for a country. It would be admirable, and bring healing to relationships, for the U.S. to have the ability to talk honestly about her faults rather than dismissing those faults by hiding behind good the we have done.