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(05-21-2022, 07:08 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]this is false. it comes down to D.

It comes also down to D yes, but it is clear that Mavs didnt adjust in second half to the zone from GSW. If we kept scoring like in first half, or even just anything remotely to that, it's game over. Next game, will be different story.

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(05-21-2022, 07:08 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]this is false. it comes down to D.

For example…

For those who want to blame all of our woes on lack of rim protection (ostensibly Maxi and Powell), take a look at the 10 shots Looney scored. All 10 came from dribble penetration. Maxi is a good shot blocker, but if he has to go help on a GS guard or wing blowing by the Dallas defender (usually Luka or Brunson, but even DFS once and Reggie), then the Looney dunk isn’t their fault.

The really discouraging part is eight of the ten “blow by’s” came WITHOUT A PICK. Just one on one leaving our guy in the dust. If there was some PNR action you “might” get some rotation from the off-ball side to help in the paint. That is what we saw Dallas do so well against the prior two opponents in terms of pre-rotations into the paint. It is more challenging with GS because they move the ball better and can find the open corner (and if we manage to close out the corner, the wing 3 is wide open). HOWEVER, it is absolutely impossible to pre-rotate when the GS ball-handler can go by his defender at will.

We have not figured this out and it will be our undoing if we don’t. You can’t give up 56% from the field and 50% from 3% and think we’ve figured anything out. As Kamm is trying to tell us, basketball is played at two ends of the court.

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(05-21-2022, 07:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]The really discouraging part is eight of the ten “blow by’s” came WITHOUT A PICK.

I am assuming it is from the Mavs trying to crowd and take away the three ball....so far it hasn't worked at slowing down their O.

The Mavs should do what the Warriors are doing defensively. Crowd the paint and let GS shoot unlimited uncontested 3’s. It’s worked for 6/8 quarters for the team up 2-0.

(05-21-2022, 07:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]We have not figured this out and it will be our undoing if we don’t.

Absolutely, offense is defense, and defense is offense. Both are equally important. There cant be anyone contradicting this, it's obvious.

On defensive side, we haven't figured them out. On offensive side, we have totally figured their base defense out which is really encouraging (which we didnt do in game 1). Next will be their zone which their played in second half, and they won the game in large parts due to the defensive adjustments they made using this. If we play offense as we did in second half, it will not be enough to play better defense. So, this absolutely needs to be dealt with. The great part is that this zone look is usually feasible to make adjustments to. The key part is we destroyed their one on one defense with Wiggins on Luka, or whoever else.

If this goes to game 7, its a Mavs win. The key is winning the 3 at home. So far we have played a lot better at home in general.

(05-17-2022, 03:02 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas might win 4-0. A sweep. We are the better team, featuring the better more robust system, and by far the best player. I believe that the Mavs will come right of the start and wear them down, and will place the pressure on the GSW immediately to try to adjust their schemes. I dont see Luka calming down for a single play, and will attack right away........

.....To me this all speaks to Dallas will win with ease and GSW will be the team that will need to constantly adjust to Mavs, but I dont see they have it what needs to be done. It may be 4-1 or 4-0, but I'm sensing that either way, Dallas will win with a huge statement.

(05-21-2022, 09:01 AM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely, offense is defense, and defense is offense. Both are equally important. There cant be anyone contradicting this, it's obvious.

On defensive side, we haven't figured them out. On offensive side, we have totally figured their base defense out which is really encouraging (which we didnt do in game 1). Next will be their zone which their played in second half, and they won the game in large parts due to the defensive adjustments they made using this. If we play offense as we did in second half, it will not be enough to play better defense. So, this absolutely needs to be dealt with. The great part is that this zone look is usually feasible to make adjustments to. The key part is we destroyed their one on one defense with Wiggins on Luka, or whoever else.

If this goes to game 7, its a Mavs win. The key is winning the 3 at home. So far we have played a lot better at home in general.

No guarantees they'll play as well at home as they have. So if they win 3 in Dallas, do you actually think they'll win game 7 in SF? I don't. GS isn't Phoenix.

We lost the 3rd quarter 25-13 not 45-33, so I´m not sure how defense was the problem. Next you tell me the Suns problem in the first half of game seven was defense, cause Doncic scored as many points as them.

(05-21-2022, 09:22 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]We lost the 3rd quarter 25-13 not 45-33, so I´m not sure how defense was the problem. Next you tell me the Suns problem in the first half of game seven was defense, cause Doncic scored as many points as them.

Yeah, I was scratching my head at all of the "it's the defense, stupid" posts when they inexplicably scored 13 in the third quarter. Goodness gracious. How does an offense die like that? (Yeah, I know, their zone, but that was fridiculous)

(05-21-2022, 10:18 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I was scratching my head at all of the "it's the defense, stupid" posts when they inexplicably scored 13 in the third quarter. Goodness gracious. How does an offense die like that? (Yeah, I know, their zone, but that was fridiculous)

2-13 from 3 in the 3rd. After the game Kidd said he wished they would have attacked more since they were in the bonus for the last 6 minutes of the quarter. Why he didn’t call a timeout when GS was on their run is beyond me.

Dorian going 1-4 from the FT line in the 3rd definitely didn’t help.

2-13 from 3 is rough, but I see the stretch that Kidd is particularly upset about. At 10:26 Looney makes it 76-62. The Mavs proceed to miss 5 consecutive a 3s and a layup until Maxi finally hits one at 7:06 to make it 79-64 (Looney made another layup between). Kerr calls a timeout. At this point the offense has really fallen apart and I’m sure Kerr tells his guys to attack the basket. Game completely flips from this point forward. The Mavs had 3.5 minutes to extend their lead and pissed it away.

(05-21-2022, 09:22 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]We lost the 3rd quarter 25-13 not 45-33, so I´m not sure how defense was the problem. Next you tell me the Suns problem in the first half of game seven was defense, cause Doncic scored as many points as them.

Yep. That's where the game was lost. Luka had 24 at halftime so he tried to get his teammates involved in the 3rd quarter so he could save some energy for defense, they let him down massively and late in the third he just had to start scoring himself again.

Maxi's also having to play too many minutes because of how useless Powell has been so he was gassed in the 4th, and boy did it show at the end when they were getting layup after layup. Maybe we should give Chriss a real try, he can't be worse than Powell

Honestly hard to beat the Warriors. Curry/Draymond combo in their cutting offense is just unstoppable.

I do think we've relied so much on threes though. No paint penetration, no pet plays to get in there. Luka mentioned this already and I'm glad for it. I hope they institute those changes for game 3.

Here is what I want to see next game outside of better defense, solid three point shooting and the typical Luka game. I want to see both Dinwiddie and Powell arrive at this series.

Unfortunately, Dinwiddie good playoff games is when he has hit really tough threes. I want him to get the looks Jordan Poole has been getting. He needs to get baskets at the rim and get to the free throw line 6 plus games on Sunday. I need an attacking 18 plus points for him.

As far as Powell goes, we need to get him easy looks. I mentioned this in the game thread, but Looney is much closer to Powell as a player than the really nice performance he has had so far. I want to see Luka, Brunson and Dinwiddie attack the pick and role and have Powell as the rim runner. Lets see if we can get a 14 point, 8 rebound game from him. I want us to stop hunting matchups and just attack. If we attack and have the floor spread, maybe Powell will get some opportunities. If we can get him those easy scores, then I think his hustle plays show up the longer he is on the floor. I think he may need to be the bigger factor than Maxi in this series. Could be wrong though.

Give the Warriors credit. They boat raced us in the first game and were a completely different team in the second half last night. I think last nights game may have cost us the series. Mavs did things right, but just didn't close it out with poor offense in the third and poor defense in the fourth. Again, the Warriors deserve all the praise. But I don't think they are as good as we are making them look. Getting game three would really make game four a do or die game for us. Need to take care of business in game three first.

The 3rd quarter was coaching malpractice by Kidd and not calling a timeout at multiple points. I posted earlier questioning when he should have done it. On another rewatch, it’s clear that a timeout at 8:53 on Looney’s offensive rebound and layup where nobody put a body on him was a good spot for a TO. It was still 76-64 at that point. Then at 6:17, Klay and Poole drive hard on the Mavs defense overplaying the 3 point line for points in the paint - 79-68. Call a timeout coach. Finally, at 5:41 Dorian has just missed 2 FTs (bad game from him) and Klay drives for a dunk! Call a fucking timeout coach Kidd - lead is down to single digits. The game is absolutely lost here.

The Warriors had Curry on Dorian to start the quarter and couldn’t seem to attack it effectively. They tried repeatedly with PnR. Then, for some unknown reason, they went to the Looney switches. Finally, when Poole came in for the last 6 minutes, Golden State went to a zone.

Couple of things that I’d like to see the Mavs change in game 3:

1 - stop overplaying Poole on the 3 point line, he wants to drive it and is an excellent free throw shooter.

2 - when Poole and Curry are out there together, the Warriors are likely going zone - run a quick play to score on it the first time you see it.

(05-21-2022, 03:36 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly hard to beat the Warriors. Curry/Draymond combo in their cutting offense is just unstoppable.

I do think we've relied so much on threes though. No paint penetration, no pet plays to get in there. Luka mentioned this already and I'm glad for it. I hope they institute those changes for game 3.

We are very different team at home. Been like that all playoffs long. Once we get home and win, this will also build the great momentum and more importantly the mental confidence to play away.

Warriors, are good, but not better than Suns. If better, maybe marginally. I think we are dealing with some coaching issue in the first two games, in addition to disadvantage of playing away court, and that has been a problem. But, same can be said about two first games against Suns, and Kidd adjusted. We already seen adjustments from game 1 to 2, and it points in the right direction.

If Mavs win their 3 games at home, at that point they will have worn down Warriors physically, and adjusted to their schemes, and won the necessary momentum and confidence for a game 7 away. This looks a lot like the Suns series in some regards.

It was debated earlier either in this thread or another whether defense or offense was the issue. In my view offense is defense, and defense is offense. They are the same thing and super connected. It is no coincidence that once Warriors switched to zone in second half and we couldn't score on them, that our team stopped playing defense in last game. In 1st half when we played well on offense, we dominated on defensive side. This is no coincidence as when we score on other end, we get together on defense and reset our schemes. Once we don't score, GSW like Suns have, were so far really good in taking advantage of this in transition and preventing our defense to reset well.

One could also twist this the other way in terms of interpretation, and say that because we played well D in first half last game, we scored. And once we stopped playing D in second half last game, we then stopped playing offense as we couldn't build any transition game on offense. And this is also true. In my view it's both, but last game mainly the first mentioned and not the former. Because the adjustment from Warriors side were mainly on their defensive side, and this completely killed our offense, and thus, thereby also our defense.

IMO, we have figured out their base defense completely. Next will be the adjustment to the zone, which I believe will be relatively easy adjustment to make for Kidd. Once this is done, and we can score plenty of them, I expect our defense to play much tougher. And Warriors will also have to deal then with the momentum of the home crowd.

I know it has looked "bad" the first two games. But when you look at how we destroyed their base defense with our adjustments, and take into account that we will most likely be able to counter their zone look, I think that things look really well for the Mavs. This will help our defense as well to improve, and look like the one in first half of last game. I expect also as we go in the series to see Warriors wearing down and further decrease their offensive abilities, just like we saw for the Suns. I don't expect it to become that quiet shut down in game 6 or 7 as for the Suns, but they wont be able to hold the same stamina level at this point as they are at now. I also expect that we attack them far more inside. Several of their players have already shown foul troubles, and this will only increase as we go further.

(05-21-2022, 09:19 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]No guarantees they'll play as well at home as they have. So if they win 3 in Dallas, do you actually think they'll win game 7 in SF? I don't. GS isn't Phoenix.

We are a completely different team at home. If we reach game 7, i place 1% chance for GSW to win it, and 99% to Dallas. There is no way Luka loses that one elimination game. At this point, they will have wear down from the physical play from our side and we have already figured out their base defense, and at that time much more further.

(05-22-2022, 07:45 AM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]We are very different team at home. Been like that all playoffs long. Once we get home and win, this will also build the great momentum and more importantly the mental confidence to play away.

Warriors, are good, but not better than Suns. If better, maybe marginally. I think we are dealing with some coaching issue in the first two games, in addition to disadvantage of playing away court, and that has been a problem. But, same can be said about two first games against Suns, and Kidd adjusted. We already seen adjustments from game 1 to 2, and it points in the right direction.

If Mavs win their 3 games at home, at that point they will have worn down Warriors physically, and adjusted to their schemes, and won the necessary momentum and confidence for a game 7 away. This looks a lot like the Suns series in some regards.

It was debated earlier either in this thread or another whether defense or offense was the issue. In my view offense is defense, and defense is offense. They are the same thing and super connected. It is no coincidence that once Warriors switched to zone in second half and we couldn't score on them, that our team stopped playing defense in last game. In 1st half when we played well on offense, we dominated on defensive side. This is no coincidence as when we score on other end, we get together on defense and reset our schemes. Once we don't score, GSW like Suns have, were so far really good in taking advantage of this in transition and preventing our defense to reset well.

One could also twist this the other way in terms of interpretation, and say that because we played well D in first half last game, we scored. And once we stopped playing D in second half last game, we then stopped playing offense as we couldn't build any transition game on offense. And this is also true. In my view it's both, but last game mainly the first mentioned and not the former. Because the adjustment from Warriors side were mainly on their defensive side, and this completely killed our offense, and thus, thereby also our defense.

IMO, we have figured out their base defense completely. Next will be the adjustment to the zone, which I believe will be relatively easy adjustment to make for Kidd. Once this is done, and we can score plenty of them, I expect our defense to play much tougher. And Warriors will also have to deal then with the momentum of the home crowd.

I know it has looked "bad" the first two games. But when you look at how we destroyed their base defense with our adjustments, and take into account that we will most likely be able to counter their zone look, I think that things look really well for the Mavs. This will help our defense as well to improve, and look like the one in first half of last game. I expect also as we go in the series to see Warriors wearing down and further decrease their offensive abilities, just like we saw for the Suns. I don't expect it to become that quiet shut down in game 6 or 7 as for the Suns, but they wont be able to hold the same stamina level at this point as they are at now. I also expect that we attack them far more inside. Several of their players have already shown foul troubles, and this will only increase as we go further.

We are a completely different team at home. If we reach game 7, i place 1% chance for GSW to win it, and 99% to Dallas. There is no way Luka loses that one elimination game. At this point, they will have wear down from the physical play from our side and we have already figured out their base defense, and at that time much more further.

Love your optimism, but GS will NOT lose a 7th game at home.

If GS will NOT lose a 7th game at home, then Mavs in 6!

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