2021 NBA DRAFT: July 29, 7 pm

[Mapka]

It wouldn´t be a talent downgrade.  For some reason you are only mentioning the good examples. Not the majority of players in the late first round that never panned out. if you want to make a case for the value of the pick you have to go with the average or median. Not the once in a lifetime outlier.
Brunson for example was a great pick. Top 20 player in his draft class. Easily better than the average player that is drafted in the mid/late first round.


https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

https://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm

He has a point about a GM believing in a player.
If you are sure the player is that good, you don't go with the average worth of a pick.

My problem was that nothing is indicating you have to vastly overpay for a late pick this year.
The opposite is the case, there are teams with not much room and multiple picks.

[Mavs2021]

It wouldn´t be a talent downgrade.  For some reason you are only mentioning the good examples. Not the majority of players in the late first round that never panned out. if you want to make a case for the value of the pick you have to go with the average or median. Not the once in a lifetime outlier.
Brunson for example was a great pick. Top 20 player in his draft class. Easily better than the average player that is drafted in the mid/late first round.


https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

https://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm

Yeah well, that´s kind of the point of a GM. To find the special players, the starters, the roleplayers, the players that will outperform their draft positions.

If we are approaching the draft based on a statistical analysis, then we might as well take the consensus draft rankings to the local zoo and let a monkey hit some darts.

[omahen]

https://twitter.com/JPadmore92/status/14...3249603602

[Mapka]

Yeah well, that´s kind of the point of a GM. To find the special players, the starters, the roleplayers, the players that will outperform their draft positions.

Hell no,

That's what you want the GM to do, and what you funnyly accuse Mark Cuban to do.

[dirkfansince1998]

Yeah well, that´s kind of the point of a GM. To find the special players, the starters, the roleplayers, the players that will outperform their draft positions.

If we are approaching the draft based on a statistical analysis, then we might as well take the consensus draft rankings to the local zoo and let a monkey hit some darts.

And even the best GMs struggle to do it on a consistent basis. Doesn´t mean that they shouldn´t try. But that isn´t even the topic. We talked about the value of a draft pick and your take that Brunson+Kleber for 19 is a good deal is completly off. Their value isn´t defined by their draft position (undrafted, early 2nd round). We obviously have to think about the strength/depth of the draft class and the contract situation of the players but in general established role players like Kleber or Brunson should have more value.
They are clearly better than the average late first round pick and chances are that whoever is picked at 19 will be worse.

[Kammrath]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

The following picks are being shopped for an established player....

#7 GSW

#9 SAC

#10 NOP

#13 IND


That is definitely the Franz Wagner range FWIW...

[omahen]

https://twitter.com/pandahank41/status/1...1868457984

[cow]

What is Terry's shoe size.  It is probably the angle but they look huge for a 6'1" guy.

[dirkfansince1998]

https://twitter.com/pandahank41/status/1...1868457984

Before Kamm comes in and steals the show. 7´8 1/2 wingspan. Not sure how that is possible at his size but I´ll take it.

[omahen]

Before Kamm comes in and steals the show. 7´8 1/2 wingspan. Not sure how that is possible at his size but I´ll take it.

He has extreme physical predispositions but also totally raw offensively. Accurate shot though, if he has time to launch it. So basically a better version of Maxi

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Vecenie from The Athletic has him at 73 on his big board, here a summary

First and foremost, has elite tools and measurements even by NBA standards. He has an absurd 7-foot-8.5 wingspan. Unsurprisingly given those skills, Onu was an elite rim protector at Shawnee State, completely shutting down the paint for anyone who dared enter. He blocked five shots per game over his last two seasons. Is extremely reactive rotating over from the weak side. Does a phenomenal job of using his length to stay big at the rim and take up space while maintaining his vertical space without fouling. There will be an adjustment to the faster speed of the NBA, but he’s a very skilled shot blocker, and that translated in his games at the G League Elite Camp. On offense, Onu is mostly just a pick-and-pop/dunker-spot big whose most translatable skill is to pop and shoot away from the rim. Good shooting stroke off the catch from the pop. Does need an extra split second to load but has a clean release that is very high due to his wingspan and height. Has real pick-and-pop potential. Not a great roller to the rim right now and doesn’t quite get as downhill as you’d like to see. But is effective in the dunker spot as a load-leaper off two feet, effectively flushing everything above the rim. So why isn’t he a higher-rated prospect? It seems like, on offense, everything just moves very slowly for Onu right now. He has the 1-to-4 assist-to-turnover ratio, and that does indeed back up what you see. Not particularly comfortable handling the ball in any way. Going to be very, very limited on that end in a problematic way that could allow defenders to not pay as much attention to him. Additionally, Onu could continue to use some work on his defensive angles in pick-and-roll coverages. Much more comfortable right now as a weakside rotator than he is when he has a person attacking him on ball. The thing with Onu is that there is so much room for growth with someone who has these types of measurements and is on a clear upward trajectory despite turning 22 two days after the draft. He’s a genuine eraser inside. But he’s absolutely a two-way player at this point. He needs more time to develop his feel for the game on both ends of the floor before he can play actual minutes. It’s going to take some development time. But if the team that signs him (or drafts him) is willing to take its time, it wouldn’t stun me if Onu ends up following a similar trajectory to Chris Boucher, who ended up becoming a role player three years after entering the draft.

[SleepingHero]

Anybody else seeing all these prospects the Mavs are working out and realize they're all projected to be undrafted free agents??

I think they're just doing their homework for summer league. I can't imagine them making a trade into the draft unless they're working out those prospects in secret.

The only dude that might require a pick is Vrenz, and he's still projected to be a late 2nd rounder where the Mavs can buy one there.

[cow]

Before Kamm comes in and steals the show. 7´8 1/2 wingspan. Not sure how that is possible at his size but I´ll take it.

Damn.  He and THT are wingspan all-stars.

[Kammrath]

Before Kamm comes in and steals the show. 7´8 1/2 wingspan.

[omahen]

Anybody else seeing all these prospects the Mavs are working out and realize they're all projected to be undrafted free agents??

I think they're just doing their homework for summer league. I can't imagine them making a trade into the draft unless they're working out those prospects in secret.

The only dude that might require a pick is Vrenz, and he's still projected to be a late 2nd rounder where the Mavs can buy one there.

To an extent it is logical. They are in win now mode. They also have two to four rookies on the team that might need minutes. I guess they are like Portland - "don't offer me picks for CJ (KP in Mavs case), offer me players".

[cow]

They are in win now mode. 

#SaveUsNico

[Kammrath]

https://twitter.com/Vrenzzz/status/1418284822972280833

[KillerLeft]

https://twitter.com/pandahank41/status/1...1868457984

No idea if this guy can play, as I've never heard of him. But, he LOOKS like an NBA center who can stay on the floor to me.

[Kammrath]

But, he LOOKS like an NBA center who can stay on the floor to me.

The reason I always covet wingspan is that wingspan isn't an injury risk AND it makes you play way bigger than you are. KP is 7'4" but he doesn't play bigger than many centers AND his 7'4" frame creates injury risks.

[Kammrath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7uBKeM9cOk

[Luka_Magic]

My top target for the Mavs ... Jericho Sims. Should be gettable if we can secure an early to mid 2nd rounder. SI has him going #52