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2021 NBA DRAFT: July 29, 7 pm - Chicagojk - 03-11-2021
Is it too early to talk '21 NBA draft? Sure the Mavs don't have a first and time will tell if they even have a second. I typically look for certain teams first. For instance, I look at Villanova and I almost always like their best player. They have an interesting guy there named Jermeiah Robinson-Earl who Sam Vecenie has a second rounder (I believe he is way to low). There are several other teams I have a soft spot for.
Because the mavs will not have a high pick, I thought I would post Sam Vecenie's top shooters in college basketball. If you are looking for a specialist, one that can shoot is a good place to start. If he can defend or play make too, that is even better. Outside of # 1 and #10 on this list, the rest of these guys are more specialists.
I don't know a lot of these guys, but I do like Livers at Michigan (I also like a few other Michigan players) and am intrigued by Joe Wieskamp (Iowa) and Trey Murphy (VA)
RANK
PLAYER
POSITION
TEAM
2021 3P%
2021 3PA
CAREER 3P%
CAREER 3PA1
Corey Kispert
Wing
Gonzaga
46.3
147
41.0
602
2
Joe Wieskamp
Wing
Iowa
48.8
127
41.6
416
3
Sam Hauser
Forward
Virginia
44.5
128
44.5
681
4
Isaiah Livers
Wing
Michigan
45.3
106
41.8
388
5
Trey Murphy
Wing
Virginia
45.8
96
40.5
452
6
Jared Butler
Guard
Baylor
43.5
124
38.4
497
7
Matthew Hurt
Forward
Duke
45.9
109
42.6
216
8
Chris Duarte
Guard
Oregon
43.4
122
38.2
262
9
John Petty
Wing
Alabama
38.0
163
38.5
769
10
Cade Cunningham
Guard
Oklahoma State
42.5
106
42.5
106
SLEEPER
Mtich Ballock
Wing
Creighton
41.5
159
40.5
735
SLEEPER
Jordan Schakel
Wing
San Diego State
46.4
153
42.6
500
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 03-12-2021
Honestly...I don´t think it makes sense to add even more rookies right now. Mavs already have two rookies under contract and both aren´t getting any minutes. Same for the two-way guys. Not willing to give up on any of them if the replacement is just another 2nd round guy.
Would prefer to package the pick in a trade but if the Mavs actually want to use it in the draft they should look for a big or a big wing.
RE: 2021 draft - HAguiar95 - 03-12-2021
Nice thread. I won't get into details yet, but pretend to close to the draft (also disappointed in RC for not finding minutes for Bey/Green). Here are my candidates:
- If we get a first round pick (10-20):
1) Usman Garuba (6"8 PF - Real Madrid)
2) Franz Wagner (6"8 SF - Michigan)
3) Jared Butler (6"3 PG Baylor)
- For our 2nd round pick (45-50):
1) Roko Prkacin (6"9 PF - Cibona)
2) Luka Garza (6"11 C - Iowa)
3) Herbert Jones (6"8 SF - Alabama)
RE: 2021 draft - khaled1987 - 03-12-2021
(03-12-2021, 12:30 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Honestly...I don´t think it makes sense to add even more rookies right now. Mavs already have two rookies under contract and both aren´t getting any minutes. Same for the two-way guys. Not willing to give up on any of them if the replacement is just another 2nd round guy.
Would prefer to package the pick in a trade but if the Mavs actually want to use it in the draft they should look for a big or a big wing.
Well, next year non of our rookies will be rookies
Doubt we will keep all the 4 players we got in 2020 either.
2nd round picks are probably not worth much in trades anyway, if it isn't in trades before deadline then it will get you nothing before the draft, well maybe some cash.
My expectation would be a 2nd rounder next draft, will be one of our 2 way players.
RE: 2021 draft - Kammrath - 03-12-2021
I LOVE the draft....but with this current Mavs culture it is hard to get excited about it.
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 03-14-2021
Just looked at the available bigman and I think I would gamble on the international prospects.
Garza might be the best college player but most experts expect him to be a Meyers Leonard/Enes Kanter hybrid in the NBA. Good offense. Terrible defense. Cockburn can use his size in the paint but cannot defend in space.
Mavs don´t really need another bigman that cannot play defense. That leaves us with the best rim protectors in college basketball. Neemias Queta and Charles Bassey. Clint Capela starter kits. Raw length and athleticism. Both probably need at least 2-3 years of development.
International prospects:
Khalifa Diop. Great athlet that has all the tools to guard multiple positions. Some perimeter skills (passing,handles) on offense.
Ariel Hukporti. Just like Diop. Rare combination of strength and quickness in a 6´11 frame.
Ibou Dianko Badji. Basically the next Bol Bol. 7´1, 7´8 wingspan but really skinny. Great rim protector with a solid jumpshot.
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 03-14-2021
Just for fun. Probably the highest ranked prospect in europe right now. Maybe even the world. Victor Wembanyama just turned 17. Was 16 in his first pro game. Dominated the european youth tournaments. Will probably enter the 2023 draft.
7´3, nearly 8´0 wingspan. Moves like guard. Incredible ballhandling skills. Smooth jumper.
RE: 2021 draft - omahen - 04-29-2021
Excellent review of international prospects for all draft afficionados. One could easily talk himself into that Italian prospect Procida, who might even go unsigned.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31352746/nba-draft-why-victor-wembanyama-world-most-intriguing-long-term-prospect
RE: 2021 draft - SleepingHero - 04-29-2021
(03-14-2021, 07:24 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Just for fun. Probably the highest ranked prospect in europe right now. Maybe even the world. Victor Wembanyama just turned 17. Was 16 in his first pro game. Dominated the european youth tournaments. Will probably enter the 2023 draft.
7´3, nearly 8´0 wingspan. Moves like guard. Incredible ballhandling skills. Smooth jumper.
Looks a lot like Porzingis funnily enough. He's more fluid but also looks a lot weaker just from that little snippet. Interesting to see where he goes next year.
RE: 2021 draft - omahen - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 12:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Looks a lot like Porzingis funnily enough. He's more fluid but also looks a lot weaker just from that little snippet. Interesting to see where he goes next year.
I think the value of this training clips is extremely low. Gobert looks like prime Ray Allen from three. He shot basically zero three pointers in his career in real life, with teams leaving him wide open.
RE: 2021 draft - SleepingHero - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 12:36 PM)omahen Wrote: I think the value of this training clips is extremely low. Gobert looks like prime Ray Allen from three. He shot basically zero three pointers in his career in real life, with teams leaving him wide open.
Of course. A little 3 minute video of a pickup game isn't enough to convince me he's an actual NBA talent.
BUT you don't see a 7'3 dude coolly pull up from mid range like that and move fluidly around the court. Hence the reminiscence of KP.
RE: 2021 draft - omahen - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: BUT you don't see a 7'3 dude coolly pull up from mid range like that and move fluidly around the court. Hence the reminiscence of KP.
Sure, I totally agree he looks like a great talent. For the sake of arguing - Gobert is also coolly pulling up from three in that video. One would think he is a three point shooter
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 12:36 PM)omahen Wrote: I think the value of this training clips is extremely low. Gobert looks like prime Ray Allen from three. He shot basically zero three pointers in his career in real life, with teams leaving him wide open.
I thought it would be more fun than a video of him dominating random kids in a youth tournament. Not a fair competition when the 2nd biggest player on the floor is somewhere in the 6´5-6´7 range.
RE: 2021 draft - omahen - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:56 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I thought it would be more fun than a video of him dominating random kids in a youth tournament. Not a fair competition when the 2nd biggest player on the floor is somewhere in the 6´5-6´7 range.
No beef, thanks for posting, it is an interesting video. I just wanted to point out how comfortable Gobert looks shooting threes yet he never shoots them in real games. Strange, actually.
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 02:03 PM)omahen Wrote: No beef, thanks for posting, it is an interesting video. I just wanted to point out how comfortable Gobert looks shooting threes yet he never shoots them in real games. Strange, actually.
We all tend to underrate the skill level of NBA players. I remember a WCS video that was posted in the offseason. He couldn´t miss from the corner. Even the worst shooters in the league can probably make 50% of their shots in an empty gym. Even the worst athletes can embarrass a good high school or park player.
This is a 43 year old Brian Scalabrine against a high school prospect.
RE: 2021 draft - Chicagojk - 04-29-2021
Poku started a movement. Here is next years presumed # 1 pick. If we play our cards right, KP may be viewed as the strong guy in a few years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_3fB3iyIPs
RE: 2021 draft - Chicagojk - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 02:12 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: We all tend to underrate the skill level of NBA players. I remember a WCS video that was posted in the offseason. He couldn´t miss from the corner. Even the worst shooters in the league can probably make 50% of their shots in an empty gym. Even the worst athletes can embarrass a good highschool or park player.
This is a 43 year old Brian Scalabrine against a high school prospect.
Yep, these guys are so talented. I think it is easy to forget how even the end of the bench guys are just extremely talented.
Back in the day when the Mavs were really bad, I did some work with them in their training camp as a young kid. Sean Rooks was a young player on the Mavs. He was hitting threes just shooting around at an amazing rate. He then switched shooting left handed and made some threes shooting left handed.
RE: 2021 draft - omahen - 04-29-2021
Totally agree about the talent level. What I don't get - if one is this comfortable shooting a three, why doesn't he shoot a wide open three? How can percentage drop so badly? I understand against defense, but wide open...
RE: 2021 draft - SleepingHero - 04-30-2021
(04-29-2021, 02:28 PM)omahen Wrote: Totally agree about the talent level. What I don't get - if one is this comfortable shooting a three, why doesn't he shoot a wide open three? How can percentage drop so badly? I understand against defense, but wide open...
Playing in a game is just totally different to playing in practice/pickups/open gyms.
I've played some high level basketball and it's just a different experience. Thats why these guys get paid the big bucks to bring it every night.
RE: 2021 draft - dirkfansince1998 - 05-20-2021
Not going to happen but if the Mavs somehow end up with a first round pick. Josh Giddey. Projected in the 10-20 range. Love me some wing sized guard that can run the pick and roll.