2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[Tyler]

Don't you think they know about KP's injury history?

Well they also knew about Hayward's injury history and had no problem paying him big money.

[Jason Terry]

That's very ambitious, as I firmly believe Charlotte isn't giving up both of them. Don't you think they know about KP's injury history?  PJ and Miles are part of their young core. Don't see it happening.

Yeah i think the return will be underwhelming. The whole league has the scoop at this point. KP is an injury prone, one way player on a max deal. It’s not like it used to be with trades. Almost every single front office these days is well managed. It may look more like a salary dump if he doesn’t end the season on a high note

[Jason Terry]

Love, Prince, Sexton and a Cavs 1st for KP and Burke

[Omega_Supreme]

Love, Prince, Sexton and a Cavs 1st for KP and Burke

No way the Cavs send us Sexton

That deal would be Love for KP, sadly our options for trading KP will be worse than what we gave up

We need to accept that as Mavs fans

[Mavs2021]

No way the Cavs send us Sexton

That deal would be Love for KP, sadly our options for trading KP will be worse than what we gave up

We need to accept that as Mavs fans

Love is so bad that even with my low KP trade value opinion, I would demand Sexton or Garland.

We gain absolutely nothing by trading for Love. His contract runs well into the Doncic extension, so we don´t gain financial flexibility. His playing and motivational levels are below Porzingis. And he misses just as many, if not more games.

[Omega_Supreme]

Love is so bad that even with my low KP trade value opinion, I would demand Sexton or Garland.

We gain absolutely nothing by trading for Love. His contract runs well into the Doncic extension, so we don´t gain financial flexibility. His playing and motivational levels are below Porzingis. And he misses just as many, if not more games.

I don't think we could get Love straight for KP either. I agree with most of your points but Love has 2 years left and KP has 3 years left. 

Would they do it possibly, but KP is not going to bring significant value to us. 

His knees are done

[Kammrath]

Luka, Brunson
Rozier, Green, Burke
DFS, Bridges
Collins, Maxi
Holmes, Powell

[ItsGoTime]

I like the direction of this.  Charlotte might be exactly the kind of team that would roll the dice on KP.  They probably have an extra guard between Ball, Graham, Rozier and Monk, so trading Rozier now before his free agency year makes sense.  BTW, his formerly great defense was seemingly left in Boston, but he’s a much better offensive player than he’s been in the past. He may or may not be the answer we’ve been looking for, but we have a year to find out.

I would actually do this without Washington.  I think Charlotte would prefer to keep one of Bridges or Washington.  I want Bridges.  He’s been a beast since he’s been starting.  Shorter version of Collins with a better 3 point shot.  He can rim roll.  He can do some things hanging around the basket.  He’s even shown some ability to ISO and draw fouls.  In his 17 games as a starter (all recent), he’s putting up 19/7/3 on a usage of 20 and TS% of .659.  I think you can start him next to DFS and fill most of your 3/4 minutes between those two and Maxi.  

You can do this deal at the draft (my preference) by adding a small salary in place of Washington (I’d prefer McDaniels).  I’d want a pick also, but my preference would be their 2023 pick so we’d have more options to trade all of our future picks.  Such a deal adds $6.5mm to cap room taking us to over $40mm without JRich/THJ/WCS.  Or, almost $37mm if you keep WCS.  I’d probably sign Holmes and keep Powell and WCS to be a 3 headed C rotation.  You have Bridges/DFS/Maxi at the 3/4 with Bey and McDaniels eventually joining the rotation.  You have Rozier/Luka/Brunson as your guard rotation with Green/Burke getting some minutes also.  And you have somewhere in the $20-$22mm range in cap room still.  With Rozier on board, you can carry room into 22 if you wish.  You have a solid 8 man with backups at all positions.  And, when some star comes on the market, you have Rozier’s expiring deal and the ability to trade 22, 24 and 26 if you’d like.

I liked the original deal, LOVE this one! I think that pick strategy is amazing! Compensation might be a bit lower than I’d actually want and I think the NY media would have a field day on it, but for this team, right now? I think this is a right way to go. 


One question to raise from this would be, can Bridges maintain good play from the PF position? We know DFS is a lesser player there so far in his career, so going forward we would want players in that spot that make sure he doesn’t get put there in order to take advantage of his best use.

[Kammrath]

can Bridges maintain good play from the PF position?

I think the answer is no. He needs to be SF and can only be an emergency PF....just like DFS.

[KillerLeft]

I think Bey is capable of being every bit of the player Bridges is, personally, provided we all (team management included) employ a little patience. Maybe better.

[StepBackJay]

I would definitely do a KP for Rozier, Bridges trade. Hornets have a bunch of guards but no center. I just think those players fit what the Mavs want to do better. Mavs would still have cap space to upgrade J Rich, Hardaway.

[StepBackJay]

Also I am starting to think WCS might be fine for the rMLE given that its hard to get much quality there. Mavs would probably decline his TO but then they could resign him on a new 1+1. WCS is frustrating but has been looking better lately. It makes me think maybe the coaching staff is slowly seeing improvement even with the lack of a real offseason and Covid and all that. If Mavs do get a Holmes type then maybe you don't need WCS for depth at that point but he could be an option at least.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I think Bey is capable of being every bit of the player Bridges is, personally, provided we all (team management included) employ a little patience. Maybe better.

Just making sure you've actually seen Bridges play in the last month or so...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE7JCBEXbtw

[Sigma4Life]

I don't think we could get Love straight for KP either. I agree with most of your points but Love has 2 years left and KP has 3 years left. 

Would they do it possibly, but KP is not going to bring significant value to us. 

His knees are done

I don’t think @Mavs2021 said what you think he said. The Mavs would be total idiots to offer KP for Love. It’s funny you think it’s the Cavs that would turn it down. They would say yes before Donnie could even finish his sentence. 

KP has his health issues but he’s still an elite player when healthy. He’s still only 25 and has a chance to become healthier as he has more exposure to the Mavs training staff.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

Any interest in a KP for Hayward straight swap?  

Just wondering out loud.  Another guy somewhat oft injured, highly paid, productive when healthy.  Would fill that secondary offense creator role and you could go pay Holmes or Collins whatever it takes.

Or not good enough defensively?

[StepBackJay]

Any interest in a KP for Hayward straight swap?  

Just wondering out loud.  Another guy somewhat oft injured, highly paid, productive when healthy.  Would fill that secondary offense creator role and you could go pay Holmes or Collins whatever it takes.

Or not good enough defensively?

I'd rather just keep KP in that case.

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

I think the answer is no. He needs to be SF and can only be an emergency PF....just like DFS.

He's listed as a PF this year and BBRef has him playing 93% of his minutes there vs last year when he played 72% of his minutes at SF and his numbers are somewhat similar over the last two years although he looks more efficient this year with less attempts and has been breaking out of late.

I would see someone like Bridges fitting really well here for basically all the same reasons I felt that Aaron Gordon would have fit very well.  We would be able to use DFS/Bridges similar to the way the Suns use Bridges/Jae together.  Bridges is also shooting 40% from deep and everyone player who is a lob thread does well in Rick's offense.

I think Bey is capable of being every bit of the player Bridges is, personally, provided we all (team management included) employ a little patience. Maybe better.

I agree with this but it also shouldn't be a deterrent from saying yes to an offer around Rozier/Bridges if it was availble.

You show me a frontcourt of DFS/Bridges/Holmes and I'll show you one of the most switchable defenses in the league.

This video is a great showing of his defensive possessions.  Everything looks tough.

[Jason Terry]

Just making sure you've actually seen Bridges play in the last month or so...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE7JCBEXbtw

Yeah.......so if I’m Charlotte there’s no way I’m trading that dude for KP

[Scott41theMavs]

Yeah.......so if I’m Charlotte there’s no way I’m trading that dude for KP

You aren't Charlotte. MJ is. So there's a clear chance.

[SleepingHero]

Also I am starting to think WCS might be fine for the rMLE given that its hard to get much quality there

The thing is I'd much rather have Boban return on that exception than Willie. Boban's impact on the locker room is leaps and bounds greater than WCS impact on the court imo. I know, controversial statement given statistically how efficient WCS can be. 

But the guy's hands are made of stone and he makes some of the most head scratching choices sometimes. Needless to say I think it'd be MUCH easier to replace WCS than it'd be to replace Boban's lockerroom impact.