2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[omahen]

Several Maxi trade ideas:
1. Three team with GSW
GSW: Maxi; #23
Hou: #14
Dal: Looney; Paschall; #24 (if one believes Paschall will be a good rotation player). Perhaps also House from Houston

or option with NY

GSW: Maxi; #19
NY: #14, Paschall
Dal: Looney, #21

2. Similar three team trades could be constructed with Indiana, where Maxi would be great third big. J. Holiday as a basis for salary match
3. Clippers for Kennard and #25. Kennard would be a decent rotation player for Mavs, we need bench shooting.
4. SnT for THT with Lakers
5. Hield straight up - Sacramento needs cap space for Holmes. We could still have 20 mil of cap space, 23 if we add Burke to the deal

[Kammrath]

Kennard and #25

Super interested in this. I think Kennard would fit the Mavs needs quite a bit. Shocked I haven't seen this suggested more.

[Kammrath]

DeRozan

Give me Dinwiddie every time over DeRozan.

[BasketballJones41]

Give me Dinwiddie every time over DeRozan.

Easily. I don’t know where to look this up but didn’t somebody in here say that Dinwiddie’s catch and shoot numbers were actually pretty OK?

[Kammrath]

I don’t know where to look this up but didn’t somebody in here say that Dinwiddie’s catch and shoot numbers were actually pretty OK?

I think @"omahen" found that he shot 37.3% on catch and shoot threes in 19-20 and 36.8% in 18-19.

[BasketballJones41]

I think @"omahen" found that he shot 37.3% on catch and shoot threes in 19-20 and 36.8% in 18-19.

Thanks. Maybe he wouldn’t be a complete spacing killer.

[mvossman]

Several Maxi trade ideas:
1. Three team with GSW
GSW: Maxi; #23
Hou: #14
Dal: Looney; Paschall; #24 (if one believes Paschall will be a good rotation player). Perhaps also House from Houston

or option with NY

GSW: Maxi; #19
NY: #14, Paschall
Dal: Looney, #21

2. Similar three team trades could be constructed with Indiana, where Maxi would be great third big. J. Holiday as a basis for salary match
3. Clippers for Kennard and #25. Kennard would be a decent rotation player for Mavs, we need bench shooting.
4. SnT for THT with Lakers
5. Hield straight up - Sacramento needs cap space for Holmes. We could still have 20 mil of cap space, 23 if we add Burke to the deal

Why are we trying to trade Maxi?

[mvossman]

Give me Dinwiddie every time over DeRozan.

I feel like one gives you elite creation while the other is coming off a major knee injury when a lot of his value comes from quickness.

I can see the argument from the standpoint he will be cheaper and a better floor spacer, but the question is why would he want to come here?  Seems like he would want to be running an offense himself (how he generated his value to begin with) instead of playing shooting guard next to Luka.

[VintagePejav2]

Dinwiddie is also 38.2% on corners 3s in his career - 66/173.

[omahen]

Why are we trying to trade Maxi?

Why not? I can argue every proposal above is making us better. I think Maxi is extremely limited guy on offense, that teams don't really care a lot about guarding despite his 3pt%. He was playing 27 minutes per game yet managed just 5 shots per game, 4 of them were from three point land, scoring 7 ppg. He is also not that special on defense, almost 30 years old and can't really handle big minutes. That is just not good enough for a starter. Solid bench role player but nothing more, imho. Bench players can be easily replaced.

[mvossman]

Why not? I can argue every proposal above is making us better. I think Maxi is extremely limited guy on offense, that teams don't really care a lot about guarding despite his 3pt%. He was playing 27 minutes per game yet managed just 5 shots per game, 4 of them were from three point land, scoring 7 ppg. He is also not that special on defense, almost 30 years old and can't really handle big minutes. That is just not good enough for a starter. Solid bench role player but nothing more, imho. Bench players can be easily replaced.

He had a rough year this year due to being over worked and struggling with Covid and an achilles issue.  Seems like you would be selling low.  Before this year he was somebody that could protect the rim and the perimeter as well space the floor.  He could also rim run half decently as well.  I think he was miscast a little bit as a 4 starter, but has a lot of value as a 4/5 rotational player.  He fits well with both KP and Powell and given his down year I doubt other teams are going to pay much for him.

[Okstate819]

I wonder if everyone is inflating what Derozan will command on the open market. Are we sure that any of the cap space teams are enamored with adding DDR at 25+ million given his age and fit concerns/shooting? 

Knicks - Already have Barrett and lack of shooting next to Randle
Spurs - Very unlikely to return
OKC - zero interest at this stage of the rebuild
Tor - Maybe??
Mia - Maybe? But could see them pursuing a guard like Lowry first

I dont think its inconceivable that DDR is attainable at closer to 18-20 million per year and teams will value the Powell/Dinwiddie level of player more than DDR.

Also dont see the S&T benefit to SA for teams like the Lakers that may want to pursue him.

[Jym]

Super interested in this. I think Kennard would fit the Mavs needs quite a bit. Shocked I haven't seen this suggested more.

As a standalone deal getting a first round pick to take on his salary is quite meh, but it would excite the hell out of me as a part of a new overall strategy  
Never once did Donnie pull off a deal like that where we got a 1st rounder for taking on a a still playable guy on a bad contract. Just on accident you think a deal like that would have happened at some point over the course of 20 years 
Closest thing was when we traded Jamison for Stackhouse and the 5th pick

[Mavs2021]

Dinwiddie is also 38.2% on corners 3s in his career - 66/173.

Well congratulations. That´s well below the league average of 39.4%, so as long as they also pay him below league average of $8.32M, we are good.

[mvossman]

I wonder if everyone is inflating what Derozan will command on the open market. Are we sure that any of the cap space teams are enamored with adding DDR at 25+ million given his age and fit concerns/shooting? 

Knicks - Already have Barrett and lack of shooting next to Randle
Spurs - Very unlikely to return
OKC - zero interest at this stage of the rebuild
Tor - Maybe??
Mia - Maybe? But could see them pursuing a guard like Lowry first

I dont think its inconceivable that DDR is attainable at closer to 18-20 million per year and teams will value the Powell/Dinwiddie level of player more than DDR.

Also dont see the S&T benefit to SA for teams like the Lakers that may want to pursue him.

This is why he is the most likely get for Mavs.  He is the only big free agent that does not already have a likely destination.  I'm guessing he will end up with an AAV over 20 but the starting will be in the 18-22 range.  That would leave the Mavs with enough to outbid all of the MLE teams on a second player.  Powell could be that expensive if someone tries to pry him away from Portland, but I don't see Din making that much coming off that injury.  To be clear, I am not advocating for this, just anticipating how things will play out.

[VintagePejav2]

Well congratulations. That´s well below the league average of 39.4%, so as long as they also pay him below league average of $8.32M, we are good.

Guess we should expect that level of compensation for THJ as well then because he’s 37.8% for his career from the corners.

[SleepingHero]

Give me Dinwiddie every time over DeRozan.

I am on the total opposite side. 

DeRozan is 10x the player Dinnwiddie ever was and will be.

[Kammrath]

RE: Dinwiddie

I am NOT a fan....but I am more of a fan than DeRozan. Just want nothing to do with DDR. 

I can talk myself into Dinwiddie if I have to....DDR, not so much.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

He had a rough year this year due to being over worked and struggling with Covid and an achilles issue.  Seems like you would be selling low.  Before this year he was somebody that could protect the rim and the perimeter as well space the floor.  He could also rim run half decently as well.  I think he was miscast a little bit as a 4 starter, but has a lot of value as a 4/5 rotational player.  He fits well with both KP and Powell and given his down year I doubt other teams are going to pay much for him.

Maybe it's just me but, I don't view Maxi as some great defender. He's a good help-side one, by blocking shots and switching.  If he's forced to guard some smaller quicker 4's  (ex, Leonard)  he gets torched. His 3 pt shot-making isn't as important when he's playing the 4, because he has quicker, better defenders guarding him.  Maybe if he played more 5's than 4's, He could hold his own, and his 3 pt shooting would be more impactful by pulling his defender away from the rim.  I give him the benefit of doubt this year because of Covid and injury. Maxi is a good role player, but nobody is going to trade a huge asset just to get him.

[Kammrath]

DeRozan is 10x the player Dinnwiddie ever was and will be.

DeRozan has two things that will make me never like the idea of him:

1) He has 9 (NINE!!!!) straight seasons of negative on-court impact (longest running streak in the NBA?).

2) He is arguably the worst defender in the NBA. 


He has some positives to him....but nothing will outweigh those two things for me.