2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[StepBackJay]

THj + JRich + MLE > Lonzo

THj + JRich + MLE > Oladipo 

Zero chance anyone gets Collins for free

Right so you would need to do an overpay + give ATL something back they would rather have than keeping Collins.

[StepBackJay]

Lonzo intrigues me, but can we just skip Oladipo? I just don't see how he is an upgrade. Currently shooting .387/.313 2pt/3pt on a Houston team where he is expected to provide scoring. 

THJ is .434/.380, JRich is .428/.292. So we give away both to get back less efficiency? 

Apparently Oladipo is still struggling with quad issues as well.

I'm OK with seeing where the KP thing goes. If he can stay healthy, he may yet earn his salary. He will have some challenges over the next few weeks.

I am interested in a scheme to throw money at Collins to see how much ATL wants him.

I think Dipo is moot anyway bc he is likely going to land on the team he wants to resign with anyway which is unlikely to be Dallas.

[StepBackJay]

Almost newsy:
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status...5793053697

Full quote from Tim McMahon:

"And Porzingis heard his name pop up in the trade rumor mill. Although Mavs owner Mark Cuban and coach Rick Carlisle publicly declared that the team had not engaged in trade discussions regarding Porzingis, the perception among executives around the league is that he is available."

Source: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3097...half-hopes.

The news part is that Tim is acknowledging that execs believe KP is available. He is the first Mavs writer I am aware of that has said this.

[Hypermav]

Feels like Tim gave the story some background on why it was important that KP is showing improvement.  He used the word perception and that could mean almost anything and then followed with the word reality.  Major step backwards blah blah blah.

Tim, who was low key click baiting got irritated with NBA Central for full on click baiting, using his name.  Now Cuban hates him again.

[cow]

The KP saga is the most entertaining thing this season (sorry Jalen).

[Mavs03]

Apparently Atlanta is fielding a lot of calls for John Collins.  If you're Dallas, do you make the following trade?

Dallas trades Josh Green, Tyrell Terry, James Johnson, 2025 1st round pick (protected)

Atlanta trades John Collins and Danilo Gallinari

Dallas trades 2 young assets in Green and Terry, draft compensation and an expiring contract in Johnson

Atlanta sheds Gallinari's contract off their book.  Okongwu steps in and takes Collins spot

Dallas roster:

Starters:

Luka
J-Rich
DFS
Collins
KP

Bench:

Brunson
Burke
THJ
Gallinari
Kleber

Powell and WCS rounding out the bench.  

We're stuck with Gallinari for 2 more years at a hefty price tag.  Cuban would have to go into luxury tax to keep the team together, but I think that's a very deep and talented roster.

[omahen]

Dallas trades Josh Green, Tyrell Terry, James Johnson, 2025 1st round pick (protected)

Atlanta trades John Collins and Danilo Gallinari

Where can I sign? I doubt Atlanta would be satisfied with the package.

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Okongwu steps in and takes Collins spot

Okongwu plays like crap. Atlanta still wants to make playoffs, not tank

[ItsGoTime]

Wasn't it Dan that pointed out something about having 3 max rookie contracts on the same team being a no go? I think that's the biggest barrier to not getting Collins, unless KP (or Collins for that matter) is outgoing before Luka's contract comes up.

[omahen]

This is an interesting proposal:
Mavs: Ross, Bamba
Orlando: Green, Johnson, 2 second rounders

Ross might be a bit redundant from the bench as our only two bench guys are guards (rest of the bench is crap). Bamba would be worth a flier as a third big. I might even consider Aminu instead of Ross.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2934...st-benches

[omahen]

Wasn't it Dan that pointed out something about having 3 max rookie contracts on the same team being a no go? I think that's the biggest barrier to not getting Collins, unless KP (or Collins for that matter) is outgoing before Luka's contract comes up.

I saw that and I have no idea about the details. Would giving Collins a dollar less than max solve the problem?

[Hypermav]

I would do Ross and then whichever of he and Timmy was hot that night, gets to play.

[michaeltex]

Okongwu plays like crap. Atlanta still wants to make playoffs, not tank

I agree. ATL management is still smarting from the Luka swap. Missing the playoffs, especially the expanded play in format, for a third year will make some seats uncomfortably hot.


Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to shake Collins loose, but I don't think a couple of rookies and another FRP in '25 will do it though.

[omahen]

Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to shake Collins loose, but I don't think a couple of rookies and another FRP in '25 will do it though.

Yeah, unless the offer will be too good to reject, they are keeping him till summer. Might consider SnT than. Paying him max is quite a big overpay, imho.

[ItsGoTime]

This is an interesting proposal:
Mavs: Ross, Bamba
Orlando: Green, Johnson, 2 second rounders

Ross might be a bit redundant from the bench as our only two bench guys are guards (rest of the bench is crap). Bamba would be worth a flier as a third big. I might even consider Aminu instead of Ross.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2934...st-benches

There would HAVE to be a second trade letting go of some of the C's we have on this team if we did this.

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Paying him max is quite a big overpay, imho.

I pretty much agree. I guess he could click and make good on that contract, but the odds are that he won't.

[michaeltex]

This is an interesting proposal:
Mavs: Ross, Bamba
Orlando: Green, Johnson, 2 second rounders

Some interest here.


If I remember correctly, Bamba was good in college due to his length, but was considered pretty raw as a draft prospect. I think he spent a lot of time working on shooting skills before the draft. Don't know that he plays much now though or whether he has developed any of those skills.

He certainly fits the "Luka Timeline" though.

[omahen]

There would HAVE to be a second trade letting go of some of the C's we have on this team if we did this.

They are not playing anyway, so who cares if they remain warming up the bench  Mavs are basically playing 7 man rotation with cameos from Burke, Johnson and WCS/Powell. Two centers will expire in summer anyway. Powell will likely remain on the team.

[F Gump]

Wasn't it Dan that pointed out something about having 3 max rookie contracts on the same team being a no go? I think that's the biggest barrier to not getting Collins, unless KP (or Collins for that matter) is outgoing before Luka's contract comes up.

This is 100% not an issue with the Mavs, even if they added Collins. Luka will end up in this category. Collins cannot. And KP is not in this group. Plus, there are always workarounds if you need them.

[ItsGoTime]

They are not playing anyway, so who cares if they remain warming up the bench  Mavs are basically playing 7 man rotation with cameos from Burke, Johnson and WCS/Powell. Two centers will expire in summer anyway. Powell will likely remain on the team.

Fair point. Bamba would take up the Boban role unless/until he shows he can do more.

[StepBackJay]

Apparently Atlanta is fielding a lot of calls for John Collins.  If you're Dallas, do you make the following trade?

Dallas trades Josh Green, Tyrell Terry, James Johnson, 2025 1st round pick (protected)

Atlanta trades John Collins and Danilo Gallinari

I don't think Dallas will do any trade that ships off a future 1st (absent like a Beal-like trade). I am also not sure Hawks want to trade Collins right now.

Gallo is the name to watch. I think he would be a perfect fit here. I would give up a rookie asset + expiring to get him. His scoring would be big.

[dynamicalVoid]

This is 100% not an issue with the Mavs, even if they added Collins. Luka will end up in this category. Collins cannot. And KP is not in this group. Plus, there are always workarounds if you need them.

 
Just curious...are you talking about the rule in which teams can only have two designated rookies?