DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know."

[sefant]

I am well aware he is probably posting lots of BS. And the likelihood that he is just an attention whore on the internet is above 95 %

The funny thing is that everbody losing their mind because of Townsend, who has a terrible to medicore track record with insider stuff on the Mavs. Is he more accurate than Mr Fisher?


https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329974705865023488

[Kammrath]

The funny thing is that everbody losing their mind because of Townsend, who has a terrible to medicore track record with insider stuff on the Mavs. Is he more accurate than Mr Fisher?

In the last three years I think Townsend is WAY more connected than Fisher. Just my read.

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https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329974705865023488


My list:

Saric?
Baynes?
Willy Hernangomez?
WCS?
Hartenstein?
Zizic?

[ClutchDirk]

https://twitter.com/JandersonSacBee/stat...4983470080

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https://twitter.com/stanfordkp/status/13...2273028100

[DanSchwartzgan]

I don't have much to add to the mystery surrounding Townsend's tweets.  When he quotes a Mav official as saying "TBD", that makes it feel like something more than just a mistake about JJB or the status of Terry.

NBA.com has not reported the James Johnson deal as final.  One way of clearing a roster spot would be to send out one more player in that deal and get someone other than Johnson back.  We see 2-way and 3-way deals expanded fairly regularly.  We can't aggregate Johnson for a period of time once we get him, but if we don't have him yet he and player X off of our current roster could be turned into someone.

It doesn't have to be a a free agent.  We could literally send out salary ranging from Brunson all the way up to THJ.  To get the returning salary number you would add the outgoing to $14.029,000, not to the $16mm James Johnson makes.  If this were to happen, we aren't taking Johnson and then flipping him.  We have to go back to the original outgoing and add to that (but the receiving team has to be able to take Johnson plus the contract we add).

To show the math, let me give an example of someone who has been talked about here.  This may not be realistic, but it shows the math.  Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert.  $9.0 + $5.029 + $8.250 = $22.279.  Multiply by 125% and add $100,000 and you get to $27.848.  Gobert makes $27.525, so that works by $323,000.  Checking the Utah side, they get Johnson and Maxi.  It adds up to $24 million and is easily within the range.  Given the glut of small PG's, Dallas could add Brunson to the deal giving Utah Maxi/Brunson and Johnson.  It doesn't change anything for OKC and Detroit.  Dallas would just be adding elements to a deal that OKC and Detroit already agreed to.

[omahen]

I don't have much to add to the mystery surrounding Townsend's tweets.  When he quotes a Mav official as saying "TBD", that makes it feel like something more than just a mistake about JJB or the status of Terry.

NBA.com has not reported the James Johnson deal as final.  One way of clearing a roster spot would be to send out one more player in that deal and get someone other than Johnson back.  We see 2-way and 3-way deals expanded fairly regularly.  We can't aggregate Johnson for a period of time once we get him, but if we don't have him yet he and player X off of our current roster could be turned into someone.

It doesn't have to be a a free agent.  We could literally send out salary ranging from Brunson all the way up to THJ.  To get the returning salary number you would add the outgoing to $14.029,000, not to the $16mm James Johnson makes.  If this were to happen, we aren't taking Johnson and then flipping him.  We have to go back to the original outgoing and add to that (but the receiving team has to be able to take Johnson plus the contract we add).

To show the math, let me give an example of someone who has been talked about here.  This may not be realistic, but it shows the math.  Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert.  $9.0 + $5.029 + $8.250 = $22.279.  Multiply by 125% and add $100,000 and you get to $27.848.  Gobert makes $27.525, so that works by $323,000.  Checking the Utah side, they get Johnson and Maxi.  It adds up to $24 million and is easily within the range.  Given the glut of small PG's, Dallas could add Brunson to the deal giving Utah Maxi/Brunson and Johnson.  It doesn't change anything for OKC and Detroit.  Dallas would just be adding elements to a deal that OKC and Detroit already agreed to.

Thanks for the math, couple of ideas (add draft compensation as needed):
1. 14,029 (Johnson)+THJ+Brunson for OPJ+Young
2. Johnson+Kleber for Turner+McDermott
3. Johnson+THJ for Oladipo+McDermott
4. Johnson+Brunson for A.Gordon
5. Johnson (Brunson if needed) for Bogdanovic
6. THJ for Hield (many other variations possible - add Kleber receive Holmes and similar)

Many other possibilities that I don't really like or I think are impossible

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Anyone has access to this?

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/...9585437701

[StepBackJay]

You can't aggregate players you just traded for. Sometimes you can work around this by splitting the trade into two transactions if they are legal.

[DanSchwartzgan]

You can't aggregate players you just traded for. Sometimes you can work around this by splitting the trade into two transactions if they are legal.

The point is the deal isn't official yet and it isn't aggregation if you are amending the original deal.

[vfromlmf]

Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert. 

Is it possible? Clearly the Mavs would need to add probably 2 first round picks, so 2025 and 2027

Is there rumor? Zach Lowe reported NBA execs have speculated about a Gobert trade to Dallas

What do the tea leaves say? Gobert recently started following Cuban on twitter; and Mavs locked up a backup PG (Burke) and Utah locked up a starting caliber center (Favors)

What's in it for the other side? Gobert is up for a Supermax

Should the Mavs invest $65 million combined to KP and Gobert? Really tough call but the West has gotten much bigger. I say yes. Gobert was clearly impressed with the Mavs' Doncic pick

https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/...72416?s=20

[kankka]

Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert. 

Is it possible? Clearly the Mavs would need to add probably 2 first round picks, so 2025 and 2027

Is there rumor? Zach Lowe reported NBA execs have speculated about a Gobert trade to Dallas

What do the tea leaves say? Gobert recently started following Cuban on twitter; and Mavs locked up a backup PG (Burke) and Utah locked up a starting caliber center (Favors)

What's in it for the other side? Gobert is up for a Supermax

Should the Mavs invest $65 million combined to KP and Gobert? Really tough call but the West has gotten much bigger. I say yes.

I realize that some people don't like the fit of Gobert here.  But I think Gobert is the most likely really big name that we nab in the next year.

Additionally, Utah drafted Dok from Kansas.  He COULD be seen as Gobert lite, or a Gobert replacement.  Doesn't necessarily mean that they are moving on from Gobert, but it made me raise my eyebrows on draft night.

Edit: Let me explain that I think RC would make it work. I totally understand his liabilities. But you have two brilliant offensive bball minds in RC and Luka so as long as you surround him with shooters on the offensive side of the ball you can look at Gobert as a Tyson Chandler on offense. PnR and lob catcher.

On the defensive side of the ball you surround him with KP and wings that can guard in space (and Luka, of course). He and KP anchor your defense down low providing excellent rim protection together. That gives your wings much more confidence that they can play further out to protect the 3 because if they get blown by (and they will get blown by occasionally) they have two rim protectors. I realize that the league has changed since 2011 and shooting is more abundant. But playing zone at times in the playoffs is a strategy that can work.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert. 

Is it possible? Clearly the Mavs would need to add probably 2 first round picks, so 2025 and 2027

Is there rumor? Zach Lowe reported NBA execs have speculated about a Gobert trade to Dallas

What do the tea leaves say? Gobert recently started following Cuban on twitter; and Mavs locked up a backup PG (Burke) and Utah locked up a starting caliber center (Favors)

What's in it for the other side? Gobert is up for a Supermax

Should the Mavs invest $65 million combined to KP and Gobert? Really tough call but the West has gotten much bigger. I say yes. Gobert was clearly impressed with the Mavs' Doncic pick

https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/...72416?s=20

Gobert is a star.  3 x All NBA and 2 x DPOY.  He would be a great use of space in 21, so why not sooner.  5-Out can be a gadget as opposed to a set lineup.  Gobert would protect KP's career.  I fully get the issue on the perimeter when both play together, but the perimeter defenders are better than they were a week ago and there will be a big waiting at the rim when someone blows by KP or Gobert on the perimeter.

Dallas could go ahead and lock up everyone with extensions.  It also makes the roster news we've heard make sense (note I'm assuming both Maxi and Brunson in the outgoing):

Gobert/Powell/Boban
KP/DFS/Bey
THJ/Iwunu/Lee
JRich/Green/Terry
Luka/Burke/JJB

[Jason Terry]

FA Big Board
1. Giannis
2. PG13
3. Gobert
4. OPj
5. Oladipo

I don’t see any of the top 3 traded before the deadline. And at that point only a trade if the team they’re on is underperforming. Something like LAC is around the 8 seed and they need to shake things up. PG13 trade value would be low at that point.

The only flip of Johnson that makes sense to me is adding Otto Porter and Thad while sending them THj and the guys already gone. Even if it didn’t cost much that would be risky but likely worth the gamble

[WildArkieBoy75]

Instead of Johnson being the incoming to Dallas, we could add Maxi and bring back Gobert. 

Is it possible? Clearly the Mavs would need to add probably 2 first round picks, so 2025 and 2027

Is there rumor? Zach Lowe reported NBA execs have speculated about a Gobert trade to Dallas

What do the tea leaves say? Gobert recently started following Cuban on twitter; and Mavs locked up a backup PG (Burke) and Utah locked up a starting caliber center (Favors)

What's in it for the other side? Gobert is up for a Supermax

Should the Mavs invest $65 million combined to KP and Gobert? Really tough call but the West has gotten much bigger. I say yes. Gobert was clearly impressed with the Mavs' Doncic pick

https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/...72416?s=20

Gobert is a star.  3 x All NBA and 2 x DPOY.  He would be a great use of space in 21, so why not sooner.  5-Out can be a gadget as opposed to a set lineup.  Gobert would protect KP's career.  I fully get the issue on the perimeter when both play together, but the perimeter defenders are better than they were a week ago and there will be a big waiting at the rim when someone blows by KP or Gobert on the perimeter.

Dallas could go ahead and lock up everyone with extensions.  It also makes the roster news we've heard make sense (note I'm assuming both Maxi and Brunson in the outgoing):

Gobert/Powell/Boban
KP/DFS/Bey
THJ/Iwunu/Lee
JRich/Green/Terry
Luka/Burke/JJB

WHERE DO I SIGN??????       WAB

[StepBackJay]

Why do ppl not understand that KP is our center? Mavs are not going to get a traditional starting center next to KP. KP is the center and next to him needs to be a stretch 4 that plays good defense.

[WildArkieBoy75]

Why do ppl not understand that KP is our center? Mavs are not going to get a traditional starting center next to KP. KP is the center and next to him needs to be a stretch 4 that plays good defense.

So, I guess you're saying that Carlisle couldn't make Gobert-Porzingus work?

[vfromlmf]

Why do ppl not understand that KP is our center? Mavs are not going to get a traditional starting center next to KP. KP is the center and next to him needs to be a stretch 4 that plays good defense.

I think people understand Jay. KP will play center a lot in 5-out situations. But do you really want KP banging with guys like Jokic, Nurkic, Harrell, Ibaka, McGee, Zubac, Valanciunas, Adams, Ayton, even Poetl for half the game? 

Powell might be our answer, but even he will have a hard time against those guys. We saw that last year. The Mavs need a starting center with some beef. Just like the Lakers need a center to protect AD.

[IamDougieFresh]

Imagine wanting to use half your cap on big men. I'm not even going to argue it because I know Rick and Donnie know it won't work.

[Jason Terry]

Why do ppl not understand that KP is our center? Mavs are not going to get a traditional starting center next to KP. KP is the center and next to him needs to be a stretch 4 that plays good defense.

Injury concerns. KP gets hurt again and we move on. No player his size has played more than 1000 NBA games. Therefore i think it’s important to at least keep a two time DPOY on our radar 

The fit defensively would be awkward(probably play zone). Offensively i don’t see how KP plays any different than your typical stretch 4

[omahen]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1330554814070186014

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1330553973384892418

[Hypermav]

[b]Mavs:[/b] Dallas got a minimum deal for Wesley Iwundu, who BORD$ rates as a $4 million value; between him and Trey Burke the Mavs have had a nice weekend of value shopping. I was surprised Orlando opted to give a qualifying offer to Gary Clark and sign Dwayne Bacon when they could have kept Iwundu instead. He’s not a great player but he’s useful. Nothing has been reported yet but one suspects the second year of this deal will be a player option.

Hollinger

[JamesConway]

https://twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/...67873?s=21