2019-2020 Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart

[SportPsychMav]

Imagine if Oscar Isaac was available or Robert Covington.

[SleepingHero]

Gonna take more to obtain a player like Gordon imo. He's young, on a bargain contract, and already a good 2-way player. I don't see why ORL would dump him before the last year on his deal unless they get a great offer. If they trade anyone it's probably Vooch or Bamba. 

Well Orlando is hemorrhaging right now. They expected playoffs coming into this year with the idea that they can make some noise. But they've faltered heavily. Their defense is fantastic, as it was last year, but they rank 30th in offensive efficiency. And this has been a recurring issue for them. They were 21st in offensive efficiency last year as well! And that was with Vuc playing like a monster in a contract year. They're only shooting 26% on 3's this year, which seems low and they'll eventually make shots, but if last year was any indication (they shot 35%), their offense needs help. Greatly. They have no creators. 

Now they're stuck with Vuce on a mega-contract to go with his play that's fallen back to the statistical norm (albeit on worse shooting percentages). A big man making big money, isn't a valuable commodity in the NBA unless they're an all-star/all-NBA candidate.  Vuce looks like neither right now. So him as a trade chip doesn't carry much value. I can see Boston trying to trade for him given how desperate they are for a big man, but by trading their star big man to an intraconference competitor signals them blowing it up more than righting the ship.

Looking at their roster, the amount of valuable trade chips they have isn't much. Isaac carries the most value, but there is no way they trade him. Gordon however, has no defined role. Orlando is asking him to carry what Vuc can't on the offensive end, and he clearly doesn't have that kind of game. His contract his declining, which makes it an extremely valuable chip, and he's clearly replaceable given that Isaac can play the 4, and they have Terrance Ross who is better suited in an offensive geared role.

I doubt the Mavs have the assets the Magic want in a hypothetical trade, unless the Magic really like THJ (who's offensive firepower might be exactly what they need), and a couple of picks. But there is no denying how great Gordon would be here. He fills the Powell role but actually giving the Mavs a capable wing defender.



Also quick edit, how quick do you think the Magic hang up the phone if you propose a trade where Dallas sends Powell and THJ to Orlando for Gordon and Bamba? 

Mavs get all the long bois.

[Fuerza1]

Y'all do realize Orlando Magic were 20-31 last year and still made the playoffs at 42-40? Yeah, they aren't pushing the panic button (if ever) this early in the season. Same with the Bulls, anything is possible in the East. 

Gordon is an above average starter at age 24 with versatility and 2-way upside. His contract is a bargain and won't run out until 2022. Why in the world would ORL dump him for 2 bench players and a late first? That does nothing for them. If that's all it takes then every team in the NBA will be on the phone. 

They will squeeze out everything they can out of Gordon's contract until he becomes an expiring or trade him for a king's ransom, which we cannot provide. 

Just because teams are "bad" doesn't mean they have to get rid of all their good players so they can "tank," which guarantees nothing with the new lottery rules.

[dirkfansince1998]

What about David Bertans? 1 year/7mio contract. Playing for a Wizards team that is going nowhere and probably ends up tanking.
Mediocre defender and bad rebounder but among the best 3-point specialists in the league. 43% on over 4 attempts last year. 50% on 7 attempts this year.

Added bonus that he is from Latvia. Might be nice for KP.

[SportPsychMav]

What about David Bertans? 1 year/7mio contract. Playing for a Wizards team that is going nowhere and probably ends up tanking.
Mediocre defender and bad rebounder but among the best 3-point specialists in the league. 43% on over 4 attempts last year. 50% on 7 attempts this year.

Added bonus that he is from Latvia. Might be nice for KP.

Actually I think this Mavs team is plenty fine and can develop from within. I would love to see them develop together.

[dirkfansince1998]

What about David Bertans? 1 year/7mio contract. Playing for a Wizards team that is going nowhere and probably ends up tanking.
Mediocre defender and bad rebounder but among the best 3-point specialists in the league. 43% on over 4 attempts last year. 50% on 7 attempts this year.

Added bonus that he is from Latvia. Might be nice for KP.

Actually I think this Mavs team is plenty fine and can develop from within. I would love to see them develop together.

Don´t disagree but the whole point of this thread is to discuss trade ideas. I agree on the the overall point you made about the importance of the locker room but sometimes the missing piece is only one trade away. Dou you really think that without an end of the bench guy like CLee, Broekoff or ideally a bad contract like THJ the chemistry would be completly gone?

A trade doesn´t necessarily means that things get worse.

[SportPsychMav]

What about David Bertans? 1 year/7mio contract. Playing for a Wizards team that is going nowhere and probably ends up tanking.
Mediocre defender and bad rebounder but among the best 3-point specialists in the league. 43% on over 4 attempts last year. 50% on 7 attempts this year.

Added bonus that he is from Latvia. Might be nice for KP.

Actually I think this Mavs team is plenty fine and can develop from within. I would love to see them develop together.

Don´t disagree but the whole point of this thread is to discuss trade ideas. I agree on the the overall point you made about the importance of the locker room but sometimes the missing piece is only one trade away. Dou you really think that without an end of the bench guy like CLee, Broekoff or ideally a bad contract like THJ the chemistry would be completly gone?

A trade doesn´t necessarily means that things get worse.

Of course not, just that character and fit is most important. I think THjr will improve a lot.

Obviously there are players I think are a great fit like Covington, Drummond, Isaac, Bogdanovic etc.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

Gordon isn’t that good. Mavs need to aim higher if they’re trading a pick. I’d hesitate to trade Kleber for him straight up.

[BigDirk41]

I know this will seem like a knee jerk reaction, but this team needs to make a trade. I want Gordon , but we need to find a clear 3rd best player now. We could actually compete for a championship if we had a clear and strong 3rd option. RC needs to learn how to play the players we have also. That alone would impact this team a lot.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

I agree about needing a third option but I don't understand why people think Gordon is that guy.  He's pretty mediocre on both ends.  Reminds me of Harrison Barnes with a worse shot.

[BigDirk41]

I agree about needing a third option but I don't understand why people think Gordon is that guy.

He's pretty mediocre on both ends.  Reminds me of Harrison Barnes with a worse shot.

I think Gordon is actually someone we could aquire with our assets. There are lots of other players I'd rather have, but finding a 3rd option will most likely have to come from a team underperforming and wanting to change it up or save on long term salary. I'm definitely open to anyone that will improve this team. 

As far as Gordon, I think he would be a better player along side Luka/KP. I could be wrong. Just my opinion.

[SportPsychMav]

I agree about needing a third option but I don't understand why people think Gordon is that guy.

He's pretty mediocre on both ends.  Reminds me of Harrison Barnes with a worse shot.

I think Gordon is actually someone we could aquire with our assets. There are lots of other players I'd rather have, but finding a 3rd option will most likely have to come from a team underperforming and wanting to change it up or save on long term salary. I'm definitely open to anyone that will improve this team. 

As far as Gordon, I think he would be a better player along side Luka/KP. I could be wrong. Just my opinion.

Gordon is fine from a playstyle point of view, and his age makes sense too. Could be an option. I have no idea about his personality though.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

he can't shoot

[train0038]

We need an athletic defender who have at least small forward size...

[Scott41theMavs]

Sleeping Hero mentioned the idea of trading for Gallinari and Adams. Works for THJ, Lee, Brunson, Jackson, and Bro. Unfortunately, you'd have to tip the Thunder about 10 seconds and our 2024 first to seal that deal.

[BigDirk41]

Are there any quality overpaid players that we could trade Lee for straight up? That would be the quickest easiest way to improve the lineup fast.

[Scott41theMavs]

Are there any quality overpaid players that we could trade Lee for straight up? That would be the quickest easiest way to improve the lineup fast.

Maybe a Marvin Williams or Derrick Favors? I wish Goran Dragic were available, but I think Miami is playing too well right now.

An expiring vet on a bad team is probably the best we can hope for. I wouldn't want to take back a bad contract if it's longer than two years.

I certainly do, unless the player is actually worse than THJ.

[BigDirk41]

I think we need 3 very important things to happen:

1- Aquire a clear cut #3
2- Trade away 2-3 players in doing so to hopefully to clear up the clutter on our roster
3- Trade THJ (Highly unlikely anyone would) or glue him to the bench. He needs to go into Lee's role where he rarely plays. He's that bad.

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

Batum also has 2 years on his deal and isn't quite as stupid as THJ

[omahen]

Batum also has 2 years on his deal and isn't quite as stupid as THJ

Charlotte is 4-4. Do you think MJ might be stupid enough to give up assets to improve this team? Otherwise I don't think Batum-THJ straight up is worth it. Batum contract is worse.