2019-2020 Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart

[SportPsychMav]

Thj will not use his option. Only if the cap goes down or his play goes downhill again.

[omahen]

Thj will not use his option

His play is nothing special despite a couple of good games. Certainly not worth 17 mil per. If there are teams thinking he is worth the money (or even more), we should have absolutely no problem trading him.

[SportPsychMav]

Thj will not use his option

His play is nothing special despite a couple of good games. Certainly not worth 17 mil per. If there are teams thinking he is worth the money (or even more), we should have absolutely no problem trading him.

The free agency class is relatively bad, if the cap jumps he can get around 15 mil 3 years, if he continues his play.

[StepBackJay]

Thj will not use his option. Only if the cap goes down or his play goes downhill again.

He will definitely pick up his option. He is an MLE player at best. He will still be under 30 when he gets his next deal. Just bc he is fitting into a nice role here on the Mavs doesn't mean he's going to get starter money. I think that ship has sailed.

[BigDirk41]

Thj will not use his option. Only if the cap goes down or his play goes downhill again.

He will absolutely pick up his option. He won't get the same kind of money in free agency.

[StepBackJay]

We will see how the season progresses but right now the team has so much chemistry you wouldn't necessarily want to ship off guys unless it's a slam-dunk deal (no pun intended).

It's more likely that you would make an addition that doesn't require a subtraction. The odds of flipping Lee + a pick or two is highly likely. Iguodala would be a big addition imo because of his leadership and role on the team. He would be a defensive stopper you can throw in against your Paul George's and Lebron's of the world. That is my number 1 guy. Mavs also have the TE which could be leveraged although it's not a huge number. Alex Len is a guy you could try to get to shore up the bigs rotation. There's also the buyout market but you have to compete with the Bucks and both LA teams, Celtics and so on for those guys.

[omahen]

He will absolutely pick up his option. He won't get the same kind of money in free agency.

I also believe he will take the money. But just for the sake of arguing - assuming he gets an offer in the range of Will Barton contract - 50 mil for 4 years. Take it or leave it? Might not be on the table next season.

If he doesn't pick up his option and we don't trade for anything with a longer term contract at TDL, we will have some 25 mil of cap space available. This would allow us to make serious offers to guys like Joe Harris, Favors and similar. Either way, we are fine :-)

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We will see how the season progresses but right now the team has so much chemistry you wouldn't necessarily want to ship off guys unless it's a slam-dunk deal (no pun intended).

It's more likely that you would make an addition that doesn't require a subtraction. The odds of flipping Lee + a pick or two is highly likely. Iguodala would be a big addition imo because of his leadership and role on the team. He would be a defensive stopper you can throw in against your Paul George's and Lebron's of the world. That is my number 1 guy. Mavs also have the TE which could be leveraged although it's not a huge number. Alex Len is a guy you could try to get to shore up the bigs rotation. There's also the buyout market but you have to compete with the Bucks and both LA teams, Celtics and so on for those guys.

While I like your thinking, I don't think we will see much movement outside of trades. We have 15 guaranteed contracts and only 2 are easy to waive - Ryan from accounting and JJB. As they will certainly not do that to JJB, this means we only have one potential spot. It also needs to be noted, that we already have a lot of guys that deserve minutes. Adding additional specialists will only complicate rotations and potentially make some guys unhappy. Especially if the new addition will not really move the needle. 

Iguodala is a very risky move. First of all he is very costly with his wage and additional asset for half a year rental. Secondly, he is 36 years old and hasn't played for half a year. I would prefer to get a pick for Lee contract. Or a much better player.

[Jannemann2]

While Iguodala could fill a need as a strong wing who may still be able to bang with the Khawi, LeBron types (for limited minutes), I think looking at the playing time 35 year old JJ Barea gets might give us a hint whether the MBT would trade for a 36y old to satisfy that need. They might as a short time rental when the Mavs make the playoffs, but I have doubts.

[HanspardsShowerVoice]

Listening to Morey on the Book of Basketball 2.0 podcast just further cemented my belief that the fans are way more infatuated with the idea of the "bruiser big" than the Mavs front office probably is. The Mavs are going to be building a roster that is "Luka Friendly", which is not necessarily the same thing that ws "Dirk Friendly" a decade ago, so I think we can quit trying to recreate the 2011 Mavs roster and trying to find the next Tyson Chandler. They're not going to pay premium money for some Andre Drummond type to come in and clog up the paint for Luka. Morey claims Yao Ming was actually a bad fit with Tracey McGradey on offense, because Yao clogged up the lane for McGrady's penetration and creation off the dribble game. They didn't fully realize how bad it was at the time, even though McGrady constantly brought it up, because they were trying to make due with what they had, but Morey said looking back at what they know know with modern analytics it was an awkward fit. Then he brought up what caught their eye about Capella in the draft, and Morey said they were looking for a rim roller skillset in a big during the Harden era because they didn't want some some burly guy clogging up the lane for Harden's dribble penetration. They had Nene for that when needed, but they didn't put premium assets into that role, and Nene played around ~14 minutes per game for the Rockets.

Another interesting point he brought up is that his analytics allowed him to find guys like Nene who was an undervalued as a big because Nene never racked up great individual rebound numbers. But basketball isn't like baseball where you just aggregate everyone's individual numbers and it makes up your total team output, some guys have effects on the total overall 5 man totals that never show up in their individual stats. In Nene's case, while he didn't have great individual rebound numbers the Rockets as a team were great rebounders when he was on the floor because he blocked out a lot of other big bodies. So you can point to KP and DP and say the Mavs are weak rebounders because no one is racking up huge individual rebound numbers, but the Mavs as a whole are actually a good rebounding team. If all the 7 footers on the floor were crowded around the rim and it was just a contest of who had the tallest, strongest players within 2 feet of the rim Luka is not grabbing 18 boards in a game.

Finally, I think there is a lot of conventional wisdom out there that eventually the pendulum is going to swing back the other way and big men are going to become valued again. Morey said he sees a future where the traditional 5 is just obsolete, and everyone just puts their 5 best players on the court and figures it out. I suspect Morey is more likely to be right.

[cow]

Positionless basketball is definitely where we are heading and the game will definitely push out non-shooting big men who can't move on the perimeter. Seven footers are so skilled nowadays and the post game seems to be a bit of a lost art (save us Jokic) but I do think you can punish a best five lineup if that lineup is deficient in size/rebounding.

If our winning ways continue, I think we'll be buyers at the trade deadline. The team is probably better than the MBT expected and this year is as good as any to make a run. We probably can't out-talent LAC, but that team has a lot of injury prone players so you never know how things will shake out. Pay attention to the bottom feeder teams for poach-able contracts. We could really use another defensive minded rebounder at the 4/5. I also wouldn't mind an offensive specialist that could create his own looks, a super sixth man for when Luka is sitting.

[StepBackJay]

It is pretty sweet to have such a big starting lineup.

You got 6'6 Hardaway, 6'7 Luka as your back-court, then 6'8 DFS, 6'10 Powell and 7'3 KP. In the past we have had 6'1, 6'3 guys in our starting back-court which means its harder to contest shots.

If last year someone told you the Mavs would be starting Powell, THJ and DFS and also be really good it would be hard to believe. It's also funny to me that we could have seen this exact lineup last season when KP was cleared to play.

[fifteenth]

It's also funny to me that we could have seen this exact lineup last season when KP was cleared to play.

Oh wow, yeah, hadn't thought of that

[reckoner07]

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago.  It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP.  He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago.  It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP.  He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

He makes ~$9 million.  There is no such thing as a 4-year contract for $37 million being an albatross, unless the guy is completely unproductive.  And if Powell can get back playing the way he did late last year, or better, the contract might be fine.  He might not get better... but he's played 14 games since the Mavs changed the rotation around - and apparently a lot of people who lives and breathes the Mavs daily feels like those 14 games are necessarily indicative of the remaining 311 on his contract.  Just a little premature.  I wasn't a fan of the signing, but Powell has a lot of useful skills for this team going forward.

Like what?

He was made the #2 option on a tanking team no opposing defense was paying any attention to as long as the Mavs were losing. It´s like the Mavs auditioned him to fool themselves. The only weak excuse for the extension is that they anticipated the cap would rise sharply again, so 9M would look like 4M. Then Morey happened and now it might look like 14M instead.

Yeah, I was off by $1.5 per, it's $43 million. I looked at his current contract on sportrac, where he's now making $37m over 4.

Kind of crazy it only took a week to show how crazy these posts were.

[ItsGoTime]

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago.  It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP.  He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago.  It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP.  He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

He makes ~$9 million.  There is no such thing as a 4-year contract for $37 million being an albatross, unless the guy is completely unproductive.  And if Powell can get back playing the way he did late last year, or better, the contract might be fine.  He might not get better... but he's played 14 games since the Mavs changed the rotation around - and apparently a lot of people who lives and breathes the Mavs daily feels like those 14 games are necessarily indicative of the remaining 311 on his contract.  Just a little premature.  I wasn't a fan of the signing, but Powell has a lot of useful skills for this team going forward.

Like what?

He was made the #2 option on a tanking team no opposing defense was paying any attention to as long as the Mavs were losing. It´s like the Mavs auditioned him to fool themselves. The only weak excuse for the extension is that they anticipated the cap would rise sharply again, so 9M would look like 4M. Then Morey happened and now it might look like 14M instead.

Yeah, I was off by $1.5 per, it's $43 million. I looked at his current contract on sportrac, where he's now making $37m over 4.

Kind of crazy it only took a week to show how crazy these posts were.

Why are the posts “crazy” a week later?

[Scott41theMavs]

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago. It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP. He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

There's no way Powell is getting traded. A newly-signed 4 for $37m, which would require paying compensation to unload (at this time) is not getting dumped, when they just invested in the guy a few months ago. It's not like we're DOOMED to 4 years with him - he's played only 17 games since the new rotation with KP. He will start playing better in time.

If he never exceeds his best play with us (probably the end of last year), then the contract is an albatross. A lot smaller albatross than say, John Wall or CP3 to be sure, but still very hard to move. And the problem right now is 1) he is stealing minutes from a better player (Maxi, who on this miserable roster unfortunately deserves 30 mpg), and 2) our commitment to him means that it will be psychologically tough for the MBT to admit they goofed, get a starting replacement from him, and bench his butt.

He makes ~$9 million. There is no such thing as a 4-year contract for $37 million being an albatross, unless the guy is completely unproductive. And if Powell can get back playing the way he did late last year, or better, the contract might be fine. He might not get better... but he's played 14 games since the Mavs changed the rotation around - and apparently a lot of people who lives and breathes the Mavs daily feels like those 14 games are necessarily indicative of the remaining 311 on his contract. Just a little premature. I wasn't a fan of the signing, but Powell has a lot of useful skills for this team going forward.

Like what?

He was made the #2 option on a tanking team no opposing defense was paying any attention to as long as the Mavs were losing. It´s like the Mavs auditioned him to fool themselves. The only weak excuse for the extension is that they anticipated the cap would rise sharply again, so 9M would look like 4M. Then Morey happened and now it might look like 14M instead.

Yeah, I was off by $1.5 per, it's $43 million. I looked at his current contract on sportrac, where he's now making $37m over 4.

Kind of crazy it only took a week to show how crazy these posts were.

Why are the posts “crazy” a week later?

Because we're all homers who go over the moon when our boys in blue have two good games.

Remember when we all exonerated THJ after he had five good games? We're eating the crow of eating our crow over the past few games.

Let's give Powell time to do what he's done the last two games consistently before we declare his contract a non-disaster.

[HanspardsShowerVoice]

People get overly enthusiastic, sure, but to label Powell's meager contract a disaster or an albatross is equally hyperbolic on the other end. He's getting paid fair market value compared to guys like Taj Gibson, Larry Nance Jr and Al-Farouq Aminu. He can, like, not score 20 ppg like the last two games and still very much play up to that contract.

[Scott41theMavs]

People get overly enthusiastic, sure, but to label Powell's meager contract a disaster or an albatross is equally hyperbolic on the other end. He's getting paid fair market value compared to guys like Taj Gibson, Larry Nance Jr and Al-Farouq Aminu. He can, like, not score 20 ppg like the last two games and still very much play up to that contract.

His play for the Mavs prior to those two games was slightly better than vet minimum, with the biggest problem being that he ate up a spot in the starting lineup where a better player (Maxi, or a trade target) was needed.

He is in no way a serious answer in the starting lineup if the Mavs have any interest in contention - unless he plays in every game like he did the last two, in which case his benefits to the team outweigh the weaknesses he can't overcome. If not, as a bench player, or as a trade chip with negative value, that contract is, objectively, a problem.

[Jommybone]

THJ is still doing great. Major strides in shot selection and defense.

Also, Dwight doesn’t have to continue his sensational play from the last 3 (yes, 3) games to be worth his contract. 15 points and 9 rebounds on 6-11 shooting might have been the difference in LA 3 games ago. If he merely returns to last year's form, he’s worth those dollars. If he does that and continues to be a viable 3-point threat (6 of 13 thus far, 46%), he’s worth much more.

[Scott41theMavs]

I'm starting to think that some people whom I thought to be real posters are actually Mak burner accounts....

[Mavsfan12]

I'm starting to think that some people whom I thought to be real posters are actually Mak burner accounts....

That was funny.     Let the conspiracy theories begin.