2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[Branduil]

Seeing what happens in the playoffs just convinces me we need to get players who can shoot and play D. So no spending big money on guys like Derozan.

[RedFlag41]

What do you guys think of these off season moves:

1. Trade KP for Nurkic and RoCo,
2. Sign THJ for 20M/year for 3 years, third year a club otion,
3. Trade JRich, JGreen, Tyrell Terry for Ricky Rubio,
4. Sign Goran Dragic for the full MLE,
5. Sign PJ Tucker for vet min.,
6. Sign Batum for vet min.,

Potential Roster:

Starters

PG Ricky Rubio
SG Luka Doncic
SF Dorian Finney-Smith
PF Robert Covington
C Jusuf Nurkic

Bench

PG Goran Dragic
SG Tim Hardaway Jr.
SF PJ Tucker
PF Nicolas Batum
C Maxi Kleber

Third Strings

Jalen Brunson
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Willie Cauley-Stein
Boban Marjanovic

2 way players

Nate Hinton
Tyler Bey

Nurkic will provide a better interior presence offensively and defensively.

RoCo and DFS will provide perimeter defense and ouside shooting.

Rubio will provide ball-handling, play-making and on-ball defense, will not turnover the ball unlike JRich. May have a role similar to JKidd.

Dragic will provide scoring off the bench, can play alongside Luka for secondary palymaking and shot-creation.

THJ will provide a scoring punch of the bench, can play alongside Luka to space three floor.

Tucker and Batum provides stouter, more versatile defense, shooting. Can be played at the 3, 4 or 5 if the team needs to go small-ball.

Maxi can play the 4 or the 5 on offense and defense. Can space the floor more as a 5 if needed.

[MAVS-SLO]

I think this series against Clippers really exposed every weakness our roster have. And saddest part of this lose is that we weren't defeated by their stars, but we were defeated by their role/bench players like Jackson, Mann...

So this offseason 2 thing i hope FO will fix:

Centers: One of the positions where second year in a row we are going to playoff without players knowing their roles. And second year in a row we don't have a clear starter on this position.

Point guard/Secondary ballhandler.

So going to offseason:

- Decline WCS option.
- Resign Bobi to vet min.
- Let Melli & Reddick walk.


? - Powell - Boban
Porzingis - Kleber
Dončič - DFS
? - Green
? - Brunson - Burke/Terry

With assest's we have, we don't have many options to bring that 3 star in Dallas so in my opinion we will need to take a gamble on a players who didn't fit in other teams and hope that they will fit in our roster.

With this we basically stay with J-Rich team option & Hardaway as a free agents.

In my opinion, with J-Rich opting-in in and then trade could bring us  a starting center. I think with Lakers cap space problems and players who want to leave them, we could try and gamble with Harrell or Drummond trade for J-Rich. They' are not perfect but if we could get them for nothig for resonable price we should take a gamble. Other player we should be looking is Turner. Holmes in my opinion will be paid much more what we are willing to pay.

So with that we still have around 22 mil. of cap space and that should be enough to pay a good PG. In my opinion that should be enough to try and bring a player like Lonzo, Dinwiddie to Dallas. If that fails, Norman Powell is a player we should be target.

After that we have a bird rights to THJ and i hope we will resign them for resonable contract.

So roster next year:

Harrell/Drummond/Turner (trade for J-Rich) - Powell - Boban (vet min.)
Porzingis - Kleber
Luka - DFS
Hardaway (bird) - Green
Lonzo/Dinwiddie (FA) - Brunson - Burke/Terry

[Mapka]

I think this series against Clippers really exposed every weakness our roster have. And saddest part of this lose is that we weren't defeated by their stars, but we were defeated by their role/bench players like Jackson, Mann...

So this offseason 2 thing i hope FO will fix:

Centers: One of the positions where second year in a row we are going to playoff without players knowing their roles. And second year in a row we don't have a clear starter on this position.

Point guard/Secondary ballhandler.

So going to offseason:

- Decline WCS option.
- Resign Bobi to vet min.
- Let Melli & Reddick walk.


? - Powell - Boban
Porzingis - Kleber
Dončič - DFS
? - Green
? - Brunson - Burke/Terry

With assest's we have, we don't have many options to bring that 3 star in Dallas so in my opinion we will need to take a gamble on a players who didn't fit in other teams and hope that they will fit in our roster.

With this we basically stay with J-Rich team option & Hardaway as a free agents.

In my opinion, with J-Rich opting-in in and then trade could bring us  a starting center. I think with Lakers cap space problems and players who want to leave them, we could try and gamble with Harrell or Drummond trade for J-Rich. They' are not perfect but if we could get them for nothig for resonable price we should take a gamble. Other player we should be looking is Turner. Holmes in my opinion will be paid much more what we are willing to pay.

So with that we still have around 22 mil. of cap space and that should be enough to pay a good PG. In my opinion that should be enough to try and bring a player like Lonzo, Dinwiddie to Dallas. If that fails, Norman Powell is a player we should be target.

After that we have a bird rights to THJ and i hope we will resign them for resonable contract.

So roster next year:

Harrell/Drummond/Turner (trade for J-Rich) - Powell - Boban (vet min.)
Porzingis - Kleber
Luka - DFS
Hardaway (bird) - Green
Lonzo/Dinwiddie (FA) - Brunson - Burke/Terry

If you want to keep THJ (as me) you have to sign him before using capspace, because he has a caphold larger than what he will get paid.

[Branduil]

At this point I think I'm all-in on trying to get Collins as our first move. Try to get Atlanta to bite on a Kleber-for-Collins offer. Mavs need a major talent infusion; our need for another playmaker is also obvious but I feel like most of them either don't move the needle or are too old/unlikely to switch teams. Maybe you can get Dragic for room exception after getting Collins and re-signing THJ.

[omahen]

What do you guys think of these off season moves:

1. Trade KP for Nurkic and RoCo,
2. Sign THJ for 20M/year for 3 years, third year a club otion,
3. Trade JRich, JGreen, Tyrell Terry for Ricky Rubio,
4. Sign Goran Dragic for the full MLE,
5. Sign PJ Tucker for vet min.,
6. Sign Batum for vet min.,

I don't think 1 is likely unless some serious assets are involved on our side. I rather have Green and Terry than Rubio. Dragic will most likely stay in Miami, imho. Tucker and Batum will likely command more than vet min.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

I'm on the "get JERAMI GRANT if Detroit shows any interest in parting with him" campaign.

Grant may be good, but Detroit isn't winning anything for the next 2 to 3 years, he'd be traded for picks sooner or later.

If the Mavs can get a high FRP from some team who still wants KP (and I bet there still are), then a 3 team trade can be done.

Then you go after Holmes.

F DFS
F Grant
C Holmes
G Ball
G Luka

Grant although not a playmaker cam create his own shot, he will be able to make Kawhi work on defense more than he would have liked. And on the defensive side, you can throw the whole front court plus Ball against Kawhi, same concept the Clips gave Luka. Different defenders but all good ones.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

I'm on the "get JERAMI GRANT if Detroit shows any interest in parting with him" campaign.

Grant may be good, but Detroit isn't winning anything for the next 2 to 3 years, he'd be traded for picks sooner or later.

If the Mavs can get a high FRP from some team who still wants KP (and I bet there still are), then a 3 team trade can be done.

Then you go after Holmes.

F DFS
F Grant
C Holmes
G Ball
G Luka

Grant although not a playmaker cam create his own shot, he will be able to make Kawhi work on defense more than he would have liked. And on the defensive side, you can throw the whole front court plus Ball against Kawhi, same concept the Clips gave Luka. Different defenders but all good ones.

They might trade him if the price is right, but I doubt it. Grant is a core piece for them during their rebuild. He left a playoff team to have more opportunities in Detroit.

[Mavs2021]

Young players that are available:

Hawks:

Collins, 23 
Reddish, 21
Dunn, 26 

Celtics:

Parker, 25 

Hornets:

Monk, 23
Graham, 26

Bulls:

Markkanen, 24

Cavs:

Sexton, 22
Allen, 22
Hartenstein, 23

Pistons:

Z. Smith, 22
Diallo, 23
DSJ, 23
Josh Jackson, 24

Warriors:

Wiggins, 26
Looney, 25
Oubre, 25
Wiseman, 20

Rockets:

Exum, 26

Pacers:

Turner, 25

Lakers:

Kuzma, 26
THT, 20

Grizzlies:

Winslow, 25

Miami:

Nunn, 26

Bucks:

Justin Jackson, 26 (just kidding)

Minnesota:

Beasley, 24
Culver, 22
Okogie, 23
Hernangomez, 26

Pelicans:

Ball, 23
Hart, 26

Knicks:

Ntilikina, 23

Magic:

Bamba, 23

76ers:

Korkmaz, 24

Blazers:

Collins, 23
Giles, 23
Simmons, 22

Kings:

Bagley, 22
Davis, 24

Wizards:

Bonga, 21
Gafford, 23
Bryant, 24
Avdija, 20

No judgment on the players, but that would be pretty much my target list. Young players that for one reason or another should be available at a total discount or are high-end upside solutions (Markkanen, Collins, Ball). 

Exum at 13M. Yikes. Exum at the minimum. HELLO!

[ClutchDirk]

What do you guys think of these off season moves:

1. Trade KP for Nurkic and RoCo,
2. Sign THJ for 20M/year for 3 years, third year a club otion,
3. Trade JRich, JGreen, Tyrell Terry for Ricky Rubio,
4. Sign Goran Dragic for the full MLE,
5. Sign PJ Tucker for vet min.,
6. Sign Batum for vet min.,

Potential Roster:

Starters

PG Ricky Rubio
SG Luka Doncic
SF Dorian Finney-Smith
PF Robert Covington
C Jusuf Nurkic

Bench

PG Goran Dragic
SG Tim Hardaway Jr.
SF PJ Tucker
PF Nicolas Batum
C Maxi Kleber

Third Strings

Jalen Brunson
Trey Burke
Dwight Powell
Willie Cauley-Stein
Boban Marjanovic

2 way players

Nate Hinton
Tyler Bey

Nurkic will provide a better interior presence offensively and defensively.

RoCo and DFS will provide perimeter defense and ouside shooting.

Rubio will provide ball-handling, play-making and on-ball defense, will not turnover the ball unlike JRich. May have a role similar to JKidd.

Dragic will provide scoring off the bench, can play alongside Luka for secondary palymaking and shot-creation.

THJ will provide a scoring punch of the bench, can play alongside Luka to space three floor.

Tucker and Batum provides stouter, more versatile defense, shooting. Can be played at the 3, 4 or 5 if the team needs to go small-ball.

Maxi can play the 4 or the 5 on offense and defense. Can space the floor more as a 5 if needed.

Only small problem I have is not seeing Green blossom here...but winning playoff games will make that a lot less  to complain about...

[ItsGoTime]

If you want to keep THJ (as me) you have to sign him before using capspace, because he has a caphold larger than what he will get paid.

You sure about that?

[Mavs2021]

You sure about that?

[ItsGoTime]

BTW, new prediction, Mavs2021 is Ross Perot Jr!

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

They might trade him if the price is right, but I doubt it. Grant is a core piece for them during their rebuild. He left a playoff team to have more opportunities in Detroit.

Detroit might be smart to trade him now while he's value is sky high because he's not really on their timeline but to your point, the role here clearly isn't what he'd want.  Plus there were rumors that the Celtics offered two firsts for him last year and they declined so I doubt he's going anywhere.

[omahen]

Detroit might be smart to trade him now while he's value is sky high

Even if they do, I doubt Mavs have the assets to trade for him...

[ClutchDirk]

BTW, new prediction, Mavs2021 is Ross Perot Jr!

Ross Perot Jr is the worst owner in DFW sports history...I still hate him for all the suffering I went through in the 90s...

If he was our current owner Luka would have already demanded a trade IMO...

[ItsGoTime]

Ross Perot Jr is the worst owner in DFW sports history...I still hate him for all the suffering I went through in the 90s...

If he was our current owner Luka would have already demanded a trade IMO...

I think Ross Perot Jr and that lawsuit against MC is a big part of the reason Mark Cuban is how he is today.

[StepBackJay]

Forget THJ, why the heck are we not talking about signing Reggie Jackson??

[StepBackJay]

I don't think 1 is likely unless some serious assets are involved on our side. I rather have Green and Terry than Rubio. Dragic will most likely stay in Miami, imho. Tucker and Batum will likely command more than vet min.

I don't think Dragic is a lock to stay in Miami at all given that they will be trying to get a max player like Lowry. Tucker is likely ring chasing and will be out of reach no matter his number. Batum is a guy that will probably be up to MLE.

[ItsGoTime]

Reggie and Batum replaces JRich and THJ quite nicely honestly, and for probably less money too!