06-08-2021, 03:50 PM
What a difference a day makes on this board!
Poll: With the current injuries, defensive struggles, and rumors swirling what would you do with KP? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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Hold on to him! --- This will pass and he will be an elite player once he can get in game shape and put these unlucky injuries behind him. | 31 | 47.69% | |
Trade him this deadline in March! --- His value is possibly at the highest it will be and the Mavs need to get whatever they can in return for him. | 9 | 13.85% | |
Give him the rest of the season, then trade him this summer! --- Let KP get back and play himself back into shape/health and increase his trade value, but then move him this summer because clearly he is not the right fit next to Luka and with RC. | 16 | 24.62% | |
Something else....post below. | 9 | 13.85% | |
Total | 65 vote(s) | 100% |
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06-08-2021, 03:50 PM
What a difference a day makes on this board!
06-08-2021, 03:51 PM
Personally I think the KP is a issue with all 3 of them Luka, KP and RC. I think RC has failed him as a coach. He hasn't figured away out to use KP and Luka together. Most organizations would fire their coach for that alone. Luka always has the ball and is clearly one of the best players in the league, but he doesn't try to involve KP in the offense. He constantly looks him off. KP says all the right things off the court and tries to be a good soldier, but what I see is a guy that is mad about his touches and that had made his overall effort diminish. Anyone that has played basketball has played with really talented players that take themselves out of the game when they aren't getting touches. I think it has affected his defense and even his offense. He knows he's not going to get a lot of looks so he lets it rip any chance he can get his shot off. I also think his lack of defense is so he doesn't get in foul trouble because that's even less time for him to get his shots up in. I don't think KP is a bad player and I believe he can be fixed with the proper training, coaching, game plans and Luka wanting the same things. I'm good with keeping KP and I'm also good with trading for "fair value". I don't think we become a better team by moving him for cap space or other bad contracts. Luka is phenomenal and I'm not here to blame him because he's a stud. That being said, if he wanted KP more involved that would have already happened. Luka controls every game.
06-08-2021, 03:53 PM
(06-08-2021, 03:50 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: What a difference a day makes on this board! https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/stat...9844789248 This alone should tell you that the "poor KP" crowd is on the wrong side of history.
06-08-2021, 03:55 PM
(06-08-2021, 03:53 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/stat...9844789248Ok, you did actually get me there. I retract everything I said about KP.
06-08-2021, 03:57 PM
06-08-2021, 03:59 PM
Wait, after I said that, I want KP traded, just for mostly different reasons than you. Also, we firmly disagree with the return he would bring and what the FO will trade him for. Any dispute beyond that scope has been immaterial to my thoughts.
06-08-2021, 04:02 PM
(06-08-2021, 12:41 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Is there is any doubt about it? I think the offense is boring because there is no other playmaker. Luka does great things but it's all on him. THJ, Brunson, KP do this my turn, your turn type offense that isn't fun. If we had a real playmaker getting guys open and moving the ball around it would be a lot more fun. I also think once Rick went back to Powell late in the year things got more interesting. The Maxi/KP 5-out offense was not super fun to watch because its basically Luka getting the switch he wants and making things happen with his 1-1 watching. There is definitely something more pleasurable watching Luka with a roll man and it leads to more eye-pleasing outcomes imo. Even that type of offense is very Luka-centric which I am okay with. My main issue is when Luka sits the bench is pretty much Brunson running around trying to score by himself.
06-08-2021, 04:09 PM
(06-08-2021, 01:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: He shouldn't stay. I think wherever he goes he is probably going to slim down a little bit and work on agility as you say vs strength. I think the thicken/toughen up version of KP to play center ship has sailed. He needs to go back to a slimmer KP (he is already super wirey but it is what it is) to add some quickness back to his game. He wants to play more like a guard anyway. A lot of older players extend their careers by slimming down. He isn't old but he just isn't a center. He can I think be a better overall player locking in on a body that helps with be a PF. Offense isn't really an unsolvable problem in the right situation. For him to succeed on defense he needs to be a weak-side help defender standing next to a defensive/shot-blocking center. If you have that then I think you can live with KP on defense. A slimmer version of KP will be able to move more fluidly around the court.
06-08-2021, 04:15 PM
(06-08-2021, 01:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: To me, this is the worst possible scenario. As @"vfromlmf" said the other day very well, "if he's a PF, there are two dozen PF's I'd rather have than KP." KL you had a good explanation of why KP at center *should have worked* but it failed and there's no going back. His way forward is going to be a PF next to a defensive/rim-rolling center. I think we have seen that even next to Powell who is not an amazing defensive presence, the Mavs have been pretty good during the KP tenure. Mavs ran the KP/Powell frontcourt last year until Powell got hurt and had a great offense (Curry obv was a part of the total offense). This year we didn't see KP + Powell until very late in the season after Mavs had a string of losses and I thought it looked really good compared to what we had seen with Covid/injured Maxi. The playoffs disrupted that progress bc Mavs had to gameplan for their specific matchups but what I saw was KP despite all his complaints is better next to a center. The offense overall is better with a center like Powell who is setting screens and doing dirty work KP doesn't really want to do.
06-08-2021, 04:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2021, 04:20 PM by StrandedOnBeauboisHill.)
KP cannot play PF on defense, plain and simple. Even when he is paired with Powell, they're essentially playing Powell at 4 on defense.
If you think that KP playing center and being our defensive anchor is not something he is doing well enough to win a championship then you need to move on and not overthink it. Playing him at the 4 will create even more issues and he will be an even bigger negative impact on that end of the floor.
06-08-2021, 04:20 PM
(06-08-2021, 02:02 PM)omahen Wrote: He still is all what you say related to KP against other centers. The problem is teams have figured out the key is not to defend him with center but a random wing or guard, and he is more or less cooked. For me this is the biggest priority for his offseason. Learn how to punish small guys. This way he will force opponents to guard him with centers, which will allow Luka/KP PnR or PnP to feast on them. Just imagine how Clippers series would look like if they would be forced to play Zubac. I agree with all of this. He really needs to just drop his post-game altogether honestly. It reminds me of Dwight Howard who wanted to post-up 10 times a game but wasn't actually good at it. KP can punish wings pretty simply by just shooting over them. He has such a high release point it's hard to contest his shots. I feel like teams will eventually have to go back to guarding KP with bigger players if he can just focus on getting high quality shots over smaller players. Right now KP wants to back them down but he's not strong enough, he doesn't pass good out of double teams, high center of gravity, his footwork stinks, etc.. It's just a total waste and he could still be very effective as a jump shooter. Lots of talented offensive players don't have a post-up game. KP has yet to come to grips that he should drop it and focus on other areas.
06-08-2021, 04:24 PM
(06-08-2021, 04:15 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: KL you had a good explanation of why KP at center *should have worked* but it failed and there's no going back. His way forward is going to be a PF next to a defensive/rim-rolling center You have decreed this? I don't agree, but let me be even more clear: if you tell me KP is a 4, then I'll tell you I think I can find a better player at that position to start for all 30 teams. Not interested in any roster approach that pairs KP with a guy who's clearly a 5 on both ends. MAYBE with a guy like Powell, who's a 5 on O and a 4 on D.
06-08-2021, 04:29 PM
06-08-2021, 04:30 PM
(06-08-2021, 04:20 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: KP cannot play PF on defense, plain and simple. Even when he is paired with Powell, they're essentially playing Powell at 4 on defense. I don't think it's as bad as you say. Really the key thing is KP needs to play next to a good defensive big. I am already on the record that KP needs to go and I am 99/1 sure he is gone. I also think its hard to judge every move by "will this win a championship" bc short of signing Kawhi there aren't a lot of moves that you can say will put you in true contention for a championship. Until the Mavs really upgrade their perimeter defense I think you are cooked either way. If I have a choice of finding two elite wing defenders (DFS is not one which is also a problem) or running a 2 big system to pack the paint I think its easier in the short term to do the latter. Mavs already play a more conservative drop coverage to funnel things into the messy middle but KP at center isn't good enough on his own. I would rather have 2 bigs that really make it hard to get things inside and live with the fact that some nights you will get cooked from 3. That happens anyway a lot of nights anyway. The Mavs sans KP could create a switchable defense but as long as KP is here that just isn't possible. So with that I do think you can live with a 2 big system and still win a lot of games.
06-08-2021, 04:33 PM
(06-08-2021, 04:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: guesses and opinions presented as fact I mean I don't think there's any going back to KP at all (bc 99/1 I believe he's gone). If he does stay here I don't see him playing center again. Mavs tried that for most of the year and the results weren't great. Remember Rick went back to KP at center to end the season. I believe he only went back to Maxi/KP for the Clips because of their unique matchups (ie chasing Kawhi and PG around the court).
06-08-2021, 04:39 PM
06-08-2021, 04:39 PM
(06-08-2021, 04:30 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think it's as bad as you say. Really the key thing is KP needs to play next to a good defensive big. I am already on the record that KP needs to go and I am 99/1 sure he is gone. I also think its hard to judge every move by "will this win a championship" bc short of signing Kawhi there aren't a lot of moves that you can say will put you in true contention for a championship. But we just tried a two big system and nothing about drop coverage even came into play because we had to run a zone...in the nba playoffs....in game 7....and gave up 70 points in a half all because KP simply can't play the 4 on defense. We seem to be on the same page about KP leaving but adding a true center next to him makes thing much much worse defensively. He's already proven to be bad at the one thing he's supposed to be good at so I don't understand how asking him to do something we already know he's bad at would help anything at all.
06-08-2021, 04:40 PM
06-08-2021, 04:41 PM
KP needs a prime Ibaka type player..
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
06-08-2021, 04:42 PM
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