2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

What am I missing with Rui?  It's not like he was a 1 and done young prospect.  He can't shoot, can't pass, can't defend, average rebounder.

[DallasBasketball]

This is the first year I had League Pass after a long time. What I realiz d is on a night in night out basis how many teams have nothing for the casual fan to be drawn to. KP has that draw presence. Plus the fact that he is signed might actually help in some trade talks as the team getting him knows they have him for a few years. 

 I know KP did not pan out here but I do disagree with the assertion that he got plenty of touches here. There was pretty much nothing that I saw that told me that certain sets were designed for KP’s strengths. 

So what are his strengths? We all know his weaknesses wrt strength. He is still a very mobile big guy who has adequate handles and has a good stroke as long as he is not jacking up bad shots. Why not some triangle pinch post hand off sets with him? Why not a few PnR? Why not a few high post sers? Why not a few roaming on the baseline underneath the backboard sets?  It seemed nothing was done. If some were done it was only to quickly blame him saying he could not do that instead of trying things over and over. Luka can get his points anytime . My pet peeve this season is that the whole system should have been devised to get others their shots than Luka. Dirk needed help to get his shots. Luka doesn’t. KP needed help. I didn’t feel the coaching staff gave him that help.

I am wondering about this strategy myself. Here are the two things I have considered.

1. Luka is still developing. Luka with the ball has ascended to the moon as they say and I think part of the strategy is to see how far that takes him and the team with him.

2. KP health insecurity. How can you give a guy special treatment in the scheme when he will sit 25% of the games because of scheduled rest and/or soreness.

That said I think the anus is now on Carlisle to do exactly what you have asked. If we can’t do it then it’s time to move on from one of the two. KP bc of performance issues or Carlisle bc you can’t put water on a player who has the potential to put you over the top.

[StepBackJay]

What am I missing with Rui?  It's not like he was a 1 and done young prospect.  He can't shoot, can't pass, can't defend, average rebounder.

Right his stats, tape don't seem that great. If it was me I would take Bryant on that 1 year. Easy to get rid of if he doesn't come back from injury. That #15 pick would be a major piece so that we can draft the next Josh Green.

[hakeemfaan]

What am I missing with Rui?  It's not like he was a 1 and done young prospect.  He can't shoot, can't pass, can't defend, average rebounder.

Rebounding numbers were a mixed bag but everything I read about his defense, their coaching staff was raving about him.  Most rookies especially young ones do get burnt though.  His rookie year he was not very good but looks like he has made a lot of improvement in that area.

[mvossman]

How do you think the offense will operate with Smart out there? We saw a taste of it with JRich this year. The spacing was completely off. 

Smart is an even worse scorer than JRich. He's worse than Draymond in terms of scoring looking at raw numbers.

It'd completely ruin the spacing. 

Which means Smart will have to be relegated to being the primary playmaker off the bench. I agree his playmaking will prove valuable there, but then we're relying on Brunson being the main scorer off the bench? 

Dragic fills exactly what we're looking for in Smart. Dragic is a solid enough team defender, AND he can shoot it from anywhere. Not to mention the previous chemistry he has with Luka. He'll also be cheaper than Smart and won't require us to trade one of our best trade pieces.

Comparing Dragic defense to Smart is kind of crazy.  In a playoff series Dragic would get targeted whereas Smart is elite.  Smart is also not the same animal as Wright or JRich.  None of them are quality floor spaces, but the biggest issue with Wright and JRich was hesitancy and passivity on offense.  That would not be an issue with Smart, and he is a much better distributor than those guys.  He is not the perfect fit, but he would be a huge upgrade on this as we desperately need that defense next to Luka.

[hakeemfaan]

I am wondering about this strategy myself. Here are the two things I have considered.

1. Luka is still developing. Luka with the ball has ascended to the moon as they say and I think part of the strategy is to see how far that takes him and the team with him.

2. KP health insecurity. How can you give a guy special treatment in the scheme when he will sit 25% of the games because of scheduled rest and/or soreness.

That said I think the anus is now on Carlisle to do exactly what you have asked. If we can’t do it then it’s time to move on from one of the two. KP bc of performance issues or Carlisle bc you can’t put water on a player who has the potential to put you over the top.

Is this Corby?  Either way you seem to be a P1

[StepBackJay]

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/kristaps-porz...de-rumors/

I didn't realize MacMahon wrote: "He is owed $101.5 million over the next three seasons, a contract that executives and scouts around the league view as an albatross."

That's not good from Tim ^^. I think it isn't an albatross myself and I will stick to that opinion until proven otherwise.

[DallasBasketball]

Is this Corby?  Either way you seem to be a P1

No this is tonyT. I had to create another new username when the board moved again. But I actually think it was just an issue with mobile vs. desktop. Anyway, this is my new screen name and I’m glad to be back posting!

[hakeemfaan]

No this is tonyT. I had to create another new username when the board moved again. But I actually think it was just an issue with mobile vs. desktop. Anyway, this is my new screen name and I’m glad to be back posting!

Tony Troll?  Welcome back!

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

Gross.  He's a poor man's Harrison Barnes.

He's way bigger and as much more defensive versatility than Barnes and also if you're saying we're putting someone like Barnes back on the roster than sign me up.

[sliver91]

Why is Nobody thinking about Getting a 2023 FRP in any Deal? It does Not matter how crappy ist is. It would unlock our Potential to Go all Paul George - James Harden Or Jrue Holiday Style in a Trade … or is the Stepien rule only about our Own picks?

We Could offer 2022 + 2024 + 2026 + swaps + Players 

Would it be legal to get the 2023 pick back in such a trade…?

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

Why is Nobody thinking about Getting a 2023 FRP in any Deal? It does Not matter how crappy ist is. It would unlock our Potential to Go all Paul George - James Harden Or Jrue Holiday Style in a Trade … or is the Stepien rule only about our Own picks?

We Could offer 2022 + 2024 + 2026 + swaps + Players 

Would it be legal to get the 2023 pick back in such a trade…?

Can't do that.  Stepien applies to your picks only.

[mvossman]

So one blog idea I just saw would be Blazers deal involving N. Powell in a S&T + RoCo + pick for KP. That is pretty interesting to me. So it is curious that Blazers would let go of Powell instead of CJ but a Powell/RoCo swap would be very nice. I don't see Blazers letting Powell go otherwise. The only issue with NP is that he's not a big assist guy.

I would pull that trigger in a heartbeat, even without the pick.  RoCo would be perfect at the 4 and Powell is better (especially defensively) than THJ.  Need a center (maybe trade JRich for Theis?) and somebody who could distribute (Dragic for MLE?).  You would start Theis/RoCo/DFS/Luka/Powell and bench would be (Powell/Maxi/THJ/Green/Dragic).  That is a deep team.  I would be surprised if the Blazers would be willing to do this.

[Mavs2021]

The strategy of this team needs to be build around acquiring young talent via free agency/trades that are on good contracts and eating bad short-term veteran contracts. Set yourself up to either acquire the legit #2 option by asset building or via capspace in the future. That´s what needs to happen.



"Forget next season".

I know, I know you will all complain, that we´ll be worse next year (on paper), but this is not about next year. This is about Luka and the next decade. Better to make him "unhappy" next year, when he finds $200M in his bank account than three years down the road with multiple failed post-seasons, Porzingis semi-retired and 32 year old THJ still chucking away. 



If you set up your roster (AND PLAY IT, Mr. Carlisle) accordingly, you cannot lose the asset management battle next season.



You...



1) will suck and get a 2022 1st round lottery selection, which has great value to pick or TRADE.

2) will far exceed expectations with a roster full of young talents, which has great value to build around or TRADE.





You don´t even need to like young players or the draft. You just need to use it stragetically for asset management.



So we have established the general plan.



Trade 1



Porzingis + Warren to Kings

Turner + Lamb (expiring) + Wright (expiring) to Mavs

Barnes + Kleber + Green to the Pacers



This immediately cleans $27M in additional capspace for the Mavs in 2022 season. It gives us the first new piece of the puzzle, a young defensive center on a workable contract.



Trade 2



Kevin Knox + Mavs 2021 pick to Mavs

Brunson + Burke + removal of the 2023 protection to the Knicks



This has small cap implications for 2022 with Burke. You get an fallen angel on an expiring contract in Kevin Knox. The main piece of this trade is asset management. You get a 2021 1st round pick and gain flexibility via the removal of the 2023 protection for a potential star trade.



Trade 3



THJ S&T + Cauley-Stein to Lakers

Kuzma to Bulls

Markkanen S&T + Aminu to Mavs

 

Do not lose THJ for nothing. Another cardinal sin of the Mavs in the last decade. We take advantage of the fact that LeBron James will be pushing for help and that THJ has shown that he excels next to a ball-dominant point forward. The Bulls don´t want to lose Markkanen for nothing, so they get Kyle Kuzma, who is a fairly productive 26 year old on a decent contract (13/6/2 regular season), and unlike LeBron, they can overlook Kuzma´s play-off performance this year (6/4/1, 29/17/67 shooting).  Since the Bulls want to keep their cap clean, we eat the Aminu contract in the process.



2021/2022 roster



Turner 18.0

Markkanen 16.0

Richardson 11.6 (expiring)

Powell 11.1

Lamb 10.5 (expiring)

Aminu 10.2 (expiring)

Doncic 10.2

Wright 8.5 (expiring)

Knox 5.8 (expiring)

DFS 4.0

Jaden Singer (21st pick, a 3&D PG/SG from Tenn) 1.9

Terry 1.5



$109.3M



Offer Bonga the remaining cap 15/3 (decreasing). Offer the full room exception to Hartenstein at 10/2. Sign Boban to a veteran minimum contract, if he wants it. Otherwise just convert Tyler Bey to a full veteran minimum contract.



Actual 2021/2022 rotation:



Doncic/Wright/Terry

Lamb/Richardson/Singer

DFS/Aminu/Bonga

Markkanen/Powell/Knox

Turner/Hartenstein/Boban



Now I did all that and it still looks a decent enough team, cause I just acquired veterans Wright, Lamb, Aminu with positive value attached, instead of doing what the Mavs usually do. Sign them to 40/4 long-term contracts in free agency after the latest big plan has failed. Added bonus: no potentially failing long-term commitments.

Since I have enough veteran presence on the roster, we all know Carlisle would successfully manage to ignore Singer, Terry, Bonga, Hartenstein and Knox. Therefore tell Carlisle that there are regular season minimum benchmarks he has to aim for with Jaden Singer (rookie), Tyrell Terry (2nd year), Kevin Knox, Isaac Bonga and Isaiah Hartenstein. He can´t just ignore all the young player development again. If he cannot accept that, you´ll be willing to work out a trade for future pick compensation (with Boston for example).



You have a massive amount of expiring contracts. You have the flexibility of trading the re-acquired 2021 (1st) + 2025 (1st)+ 2027 (1st), maybe one of the blossoming young players, so that you can realistically approch a Lavine trade at the 2021/2022 trade deadline OR the other road....

2022/2023 roster

Doncic 25.4 (caphold)

Turner 18.0

Markkanen 16.0

Powell 11.1

DFS 7.6 (caphold)

Hartenstein 5.2

Bonga 4.7

Singer 2.3

Terry 1.8



Doncic/Terry

X/Singer

DFS/Bonga

Markkanen/Powell

Turner/Hartenstein



That gives you capspace of $32.9M for four roster slots calculated against a $125M cap. Obviously there is still the option to trade (now on an expiring contract) Dwight Powell to further open up capspace.


The Mavs cannot fix this in one summer and they have to be willing to take a step back, but establish a clear plan for themselves and to re-build some trust in the free agency (players/agents) market. Nothing is worse than a bad reputation, when trying to sell your franchise to a max player.


And that is a mofo plan on a mofo plane.


Hope it was worth reading.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Can't do that.  Stepien applies to your picks only.

I don't believe that is true.  The hard part is if we traded for a 2023 pick, it would have to be unconditional (or in some other way sure to convey that year).  We can't trade 22 or 24 unless we are sure to have some kind of a first in 2023.


7.03. First Round Draft Choice. No Member may sell its rights to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft for cash or its equivalent, or trade or exchange its right to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft if the result of such trade or exchange may be to leave the Member without first-round picks in any two consecutive future NBA Drafts.

[sliver91]

Can't do that.  Stepien applies to your picks only.

Dont think so honestly

https://basketball.realgm.com/article/24...epien-Rule

So we should Realy Try to just get Any 2023 FRP???

[omahen]

So it is we love our boys in blue again...

https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/status/14...wcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdallas-mavericks

[sliver91]

I don't believe that is true.  The hard part is if we traded for a 2023 pick, it would have to be unconditional (or in some other way sure to convey that year).  We can't trade 22 or 24 unless we are sure to have some kind of a first in 2023.


7.03. First Round Draft Choice. No Member may sell its rights to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft for cash or its equivalent, or trade or exchange its right to select a player in the first round of any NBA Draft if the result of such trade or exchange may be to leave the Member without first-round picks in any two consecutive future NBA Drafts.

How about Boston, Indiana, spurs, Sacramento, Toronto, Portland in Any KP Deal, new York in a Brunson Deal or Houston in Any Deal (they can give us their Milwaukee pick…)

[DanSchwartzgan]

 
To me the Wiz package is their young guys, #15 + Bertans. Bryant would be one of the more interesting pieces if not for his ACL tear which dampens his whole outlook.

One thing to bear in mind, and this applies to any deal where we get a draft pick, we have to trade match to do a deal at the draft.  So, there really isn't a way to do anything with Washington (assuming Beal and Westbrook are staying put) that doesn't send us BOTH Bertans and Bryant.  

I personally think they keep Rui to be the PF-Defender with KP/Beal/Westbrook as the big 3.  They can go big by bringing in Gafford, but more likely they add a wing defender to play with those four.  Avdija seems like the kind of guy Dallas would be interested in.  If we get the pick, it is cap neutral.  If we don't, we save a little space in such a deal.

[omahen]

So who fits?

https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1402...wcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fdallas-mavericks