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**StepBackJay** · 05-19-2021, 01:02 PM

(05-19-2021, 10:39 AM)Mapka Wrote: What's the most the Hornets can offer?
They will offer it every ®FA-Big in the order of quality. Collins, Allen, Holmes. Who am I missing?

Ya I see 30 mil "practical cap space" - https://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/cap/2021/ but that I think includes releasing cap holds on Monk and Graham which they may not want to do. Monk's is 16 mil which is pretty hefty. I do think with their glut of guards you might be able to steal one away if that's your aim. I imagine Charlotte would be okay with letting someone like Monk go (or maybe Rozier?) in order to free up enough space for a center.

jesusshuttlesworth82 · 05-19-2021, 04:01 PM

Mavs need to sign Kevon Looney to teach KP how to set screens

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ng...imes_give/

**StepBackJay** · 05-19-2021, 04:18 PM

(05-19-2021, 10:57 AM)bearforce1 Wrote: Some caution on using Wood's deal as a benchmark for bigs this offseason - on a Duncan & Hollinger podcast awhile back they mentioned that Wood had some character "red-flags" well-known across the league that likely depressed the market for him.

Okay but looking at https://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cap-hit/center/ these rim-rollers are more in the Capela-mold so I stand by the 13-18 mil range. Anything higher than that for Holmes, Robinson, Allen would be nuts.

**StepBackJay** · 05-19-2021, 04:24 PM

(05-19-2021, 04:01 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Mavs need to sign Kevon Looney to teach KP how to set screens

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ng...imes_give/

I would have thought the worlds greatest coach Steve Kerr would have taught them that but I guess you need a 3rd center to teach the team those things.

ClutchDirk · 05-19-2021, 05:19 PM

(05-19-2021, 09:31 AM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...62625?s=21

https://media.giphy.com/media/sUFNBs65WVF6M/giphy.gif

omahen · 05-19-2021, 05:56 PM

Is this the best free agent this summer?

https://theathletic.com/2599872/2021/05/...nk-cheque/

**StepBackJay** · 05-19-2021, 07:09 PM

Since we know Maxi was offered up at the TDL should we expect him to be on the move? We have seen interest in big men. If Collins is acquired, Maxi is probably the primary piece in that trade. Could they move him for something else? Like what if you could get Marcus Smart for Maxi? Smart has maybe worn out his welcome but Mavs really need a guy like that.

dirkfansince1998 · (This post was last modified: 05-19-2021, 07:22 PM by dirkfansince1998.)

(05-19-2021, 07:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Since we know Maxi was offered up at the TDL should we expect him to be on the move? We have seen interest in big men. If Collins is acquired, Maxi is probably the primary piece in that trade. Could they move him for something else? Like what if you could get Marcus Smart for Maxi? Smart has maybe worn out his welcome but Mavs really need a guy like that.

I thought about the Celtics but I think the only logical target for them is KP. They need a legit starting big. Not another undersized big. They already have both Williams.
With some creativity:

Fournier (15m first year) + Smart + 2021 1st --> KP + Burke.

Resign THJ (Lowest possible first year. Come to some kind of agreement. 1/11m followed by 2/40 next summer).

Renounce the rest.

Offer John Collins a 4/120 deal (starting at 28m)

Nice pipe dream...not going to happen.

Scott41theMavs · 05-19-2021, 07:34 PM

(05-19-2021, 07:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I thought about the Celtics but I think the only logical target for them is KP. They need a legit starting big. Not another undersized big. They already have both Williams.
With some creativity:

Fournier (15m first year) + Smart + 2021 1st --> KP + Burke.

Resign THJ (Lowest possible first year. Come to some kind of agreement. 1/11m followed by 2/40 next summer).

Renounce the rest.

Offer John Collins a 4/120 deal (starting at 28m)

Nice pipe dream...not going to happen.

That was great until I realized that we were down to Collins, Maxi, Powell, Melli, and Luka's Giant Mascot as our bigs. "Renounce the rest" means we don't even have Slick Willie. I'm out.

dirkfansince1998 · 05-19-2021, 07:35 PM

(05-19-2021, 07:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That was great until I realized that we were down to Collins, Maxi, Powell, Melli, and Luka's Giant Mascot as our bigs. "Renounce the rest" means we don't even have Slick Willie. I'm out.

Can use the BAE or rMLE to add another big body or bring back WCS.

**ItsGoTime** · 05-19-2021, 07:41 PM

Look at Rubio's 3% year to year. Up, down, up, down, up, down...he's due next year for an up year! Go get him!!!

HAguiar95 · (This post was last modified: 05-20-2021, 06:38 AM by HAguiar95.)

(05-19-2021, 07:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I thought about the Celtics but I think the only logical target for them is KP. They need a legit starting big. Not another undersized big. They already have both Williams.
With some creativity:

Fournier (15m first year) + Smart + 2021 1st --> KP + Burke.

Resign THJ (Lowest possible first year. Come to some kind of agreement. 1/11m followed by 2/40 next summer).

Renounce the rest.

Offer John Collins a 4/120 deal (starting at 28m)

Nice pipe dream...not going to happen.

It's not me hating on him, but why are we signing THJ when got Fournier and Smart? Best to spend that money or trade for a rim protector. Think C's will trade Kemba instead of Smart/Fournier, that way maybe they add timelord to makeup for the value.

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Fournier
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
X/Powell

OR

Walker/Brunson
Luka/Hardaway
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
Williams/Powell

**StepBackJay** · 05-20-2021, 09:21 AM

(05-19-2021, 07:41 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Look at Rubio's 3% year to year. Up, down, up, down, up, down...he's due next year for an up year! Go get him!!!

I have come around on Rubio. He helped turn around the Suns last year bc he can run an offense. It would be nice to have a player that knows how to get KP the ball. 1 yr of expiring Rubio isn't the worst idea imo. Mentor to Luka. Would have two great passers. I would picture Rubio's role just helping get Brunson and others their shots. I know people are concerned about his shooting but off the bench he would be really good. Right now we are reliant on Brunson scoring off the bench and handling the ball a lot. Some nights he's great, sometimes he over-dribbles and he doesn't really move the ball much. Rubio would really help the bench offense.

Rotations would be something like:

Luka/Rubio
THJ/Brunson
DFS/Green
Powell/WCS (rMLE)
KP/Maxi

In this scenario you are just taking Rubio for cap space as a J Rich replacement. If Mavs were able to do a JR S&T to Minnesota or a third team to get closer to salary matching then Mavs would be able to stay over the cap and add another player for MLE.

Mapka · 05-20-2021, 09:25 AM

(05-20-2021, 06:36 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: It's not me hating on him, but why are we signing THJ when got Fournier and Smart? Best to spend that money or trade for a rim protector. Think C's will trade Kemba instead of Smart/Fournier, that way maybe they add timelord to makeup for the value.

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Fournier
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
X/Powell

OR

Walker/Brunson
Luka/Hardaway
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
Williams/Powell

Or just don't trade with the Celtics

**StepBackJay** · 05-20-2021, 09:28 AM

(05-20-2021, 06:36 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: It's not me hating on him, but why are we signing THJ when got Fournier and Smart? Best to spend that money or trade for a rim protector. Think C's will trade Kemba instead of Smart/Fournier, that way maybe they add timelord to makeup for the value.

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Fournier
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
X/Powell

OR

Walker/Brunson
Luka/Hardaway
DFS/Green
Collins/Kleber
Williams/Powell

Fournier isn't doing so hot for Celtics so far. They definitely need to make some moves, its unclear what they will do. I am sure they'd like to get off of Kemba's money but then they still need to add talent. I have thought for a while now that they will do some kind of Horford/Kemba trade which helps with some money issues and also solves their need at big.

Their team is sort of locked into mediocrity at the moment.

dirkfansince1998 · 05-20-2021, 09:48 AM

(05-20-2021, 09:28 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Fournier isn't doing so hot for Celtics so far.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/04/sport...index.html

"It's like I have a concussion," 28-year-old Fournier told reporters after the Celtics' 129-119 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers on Sunday.
"Right now, it's actually doing a little bit better. But at first it's like the bright lights were bothering my eyes and my vision was blurry and everything was just going too fast for me.
"At times, I'm really struggling to focus and my eyes keep struggling to focus on one thing. My depth perception is really bad right now. But I saw a specialist, she gave me some exercises and hopefully it will get better."

Started of really bad but has been a lot better in the last few weeks. 13/3/3 since the trade. Shooting 46% from three on nearly six attempts. 19/4/5 in may.

dirkfansince1998 · 05-20-2021, 09:54 AM

(05-20-2021, 06:36 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: It's not me hating on him, but why are we signing THJ when got Fournier and Smart? Best to spend that money or trade for a rim protector. Think C's will trade Kemba instead of Smart/Fournier, that way maybe they add timelord to makeup for the value.

Can never have enough shooting and I do think that the MBT really likes THJ. On and off the court. He was on Redicks podcast just a few days ago and talked about Atlanta, NY and Dallas. I think he is really happy in Dallas and would be suprised if he leaves.

DanSchwartzgan · 05-20-2021, 10:36 AM

(05-20-2021, 09:54 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Can never have enough shooting and I do think that the MBT really likes THJ. On and off the court. He was on Redicks podcast just a few days ago and talked about Atlanta, NY and Dallas. I think he is really happy in Dallas and would be suprised if he leaves.

If that is the case, then we need F Gump to be wrong about JRich opting in.

THJ $17mm
R. Holmes $17mm
Green replaces the role JRich played this season
rMLE for 5th big (WCS or someone else)

**StepBackJay** · 05-20-2021, 11:00 AM

I know we have WCS penciled in as one of the bigs but I would be interested in investing rMLE in a guy like Avery Bradley who could help fill a role we need.

Chicagojk · 05-20-2021, 11:27 AM

(05-20-2021, 11:00 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I know we have WCS penciled in as one of the bigs but I would be interested in investing rMLE in a guy like Avery Bradley who could help fill a role we need.

I am not crazy with any of the ideas for this offseason yet, but if Holmes can play with KP than him plus Hardaway (or replacement) would probably be my thinking. Need to spend more time on this though. Although I agree if you signed Holmes, I would like to use the remainder for a non center.

Bradley is an interesting name. I would probably prefer to go somewhere else because I think he could potentially be a progress stopper to Green. But I would need to think of someone who could be available at that range.

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