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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(05-08-2021, 04:04 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: https://sportsnaut.com/new-york-knicks-f...mors-2021/

Knicks have their eyes on J-money which has me worried. Also this article indicates he can become an RFA which I know @"F Gump" has disputed many times.

This article has no news or new reporting at all. It's just a regurgitation of the failed idea by Berman a month ago about Brunson, linking to it and citing it as if it was accurate. (Note to internet writers - If you're going to copy someone's work, you'd be wise to look over the shoulder of one of the smart kids in the room.)

And the situation with Brunson hasn't changed and can't change. He won't be a RFA this summer. It's literally impossible. End of story.
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(05-08-2021, 04:00 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Satoransky is fine but Mavs need to think bigger than that. Honestly with Powell looking great I don't think PF is a huge priority. Mavs #1 priority has to be to get a secondary playmaker.

Stud SG is what I mean about secondary playmaker...
Josh Green is a top 5 Mavs player...
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(05-08-2021, 10:12 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So Knicks have Mitchell Robinson on a cheap deal. Hornets need a center. Hornets could trade Rozier to Knicks for Robinson straight up honestly for Rozier who is on his last year. We also know they like kid Brunson. Mavs could trade Brunson to the Knicks for Rozier with Robinson headed to the Hornets. J Rich could also be in an opt-in and extend deal that moves him to the Knicks or Hornets.


Brunson >>>> Roizer and I don't think it's close.
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(05-08-2021, 06:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Brunson >>>> Roizer and I don't think it's close.

We know what we have in Brunson, I see no reason to keep getting rid of guys we know we can count on. Its a huge risk to get rid of Brunson for Rozier and then Rozier has a conflict with Carlisle and we are screwed. 

We need to add to our roster not substract from it
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(05-08-2021, 06:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Brunson >>>> Roizer and I don't think it's close.

really?

Brunson is slightly more efficient.  Rozier has way more volume.  Defense I'd probably give the edge to Rozier without looking it up.
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Brunson is the Mavs new JJ Barea, and can be for years if he wants the job. He can control the game and create offense, but some games his impact is really limited (perhaps because of his size).

The biggest question mark is how the league perceives him. If he is seen as a #1 PG in the making, by some team, he could become too expensive to keep. He certainly is more impactful than what some teams here and there have for starting PGs, such as the Knicks.
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(05-08-2021, 06:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Brunson >>>> Roizer and I don't think it's close.

That's a weird take. I like Brunsons efficiency. Rozier has good numbers though. I thought Rozier had better assist numbers than he actually does but I still like him.

Its not a hill I am going to die on though. It's possible it would be a lateral move.
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Is it possible with the Mavs playing well and not really having a clear path to a star or near-star player that their summer becomes basically THJ + a JR opt-in trade + MLE + BAE?

A JR opt-in trade (presumably with extension) could fetch some offers. MLE could could you Dragic if Lowry joins the Heat. BAE could get another small piece. JR could just get a contract from a cap space team bu he might have more options with an opt-in trade.
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Mavs can choose to be flexible based on how things are progressing. If no J Rich trade materializes then they would be better served as an under the cap team more likely. I think THJ will get ab 17 mil which would leave ab 17 + rMLE. WCS has a good chance to return again using the rMLE. 17 mil could fetch someone who could start or be a 6th man.

Dragic, Dinwiddie, Oladipo, Graham all seem like candidates you could get for that 17 mil number (or less). If you can find one guy you could still find a couple of role guys for that money and start THJ. I like that THJ has flex in terms of being able to start or come off the bench.

Absent a clear upgrade you have a return of Luka, THJ, DFS, Powell, KP as your main starting unit with Maxi and Brunson being key reserves at the start of free agency. The rotation needs a solid playmaker that we don't have right. Ideally we could get another shooter as well.
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(05-08-2021, 02:57 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is really getting old 21.  You're confusing a CBS article with the BR article I referenced in my original post.   

I described "widely reported" as various sites playing off of a linked BLEACHER REPORT story by A. Sherrod Blakely on 4/14 where he quotes "Rival Executives" and says LaVine "will likely let his deal lapse, become an unrestricted free agent and sign what will be a more lucrative multiyear max pact".  Other outlets jumped on that as a reason to write there own article including the one StrandedOnBeauboisHill posted.  As I indicated in my response to Stranded, there is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of using cap room to renegotiate and extend in the BR-ARTICLE.  So, wrong on count number one.  I'm sorry you were in such a hurry to write your gotcha post that you missed this when you wrote:

Mavs2021 Wrote:


He covered all angles. You just don´t like that it doesn´t comfirm your own opinion. The Bulls can only offer him a large max extension, if he makes an All-NBA team or they waive Markkanen, Satoransky and Young

 
Problem number two:  Your use of the word ONLY and the two possibilities you site are incomplete.  Chicago DOES NOT HAVE TO "waive Markkanen, Satoransky and Young" to raise LaVine's salary from $19.5mm to $33.7mm, nor does he have to make an all-NBA team.  They are within $2 million of having the cap room they need by simply moving on from Markkanen.  I posted a nice article that lays this all out for you.  It just so happens that a JRich for Young swap solves the issue and allows Satoransky to be retained.  





  

How? I laid out the exact salaries from Spotrac with Lavine´s new salary, Young and Satoransky and it comes out to $115.9M without Markkanen, so how can they have the capspace by moving on from Markkanen? Of course they can make three trades (like J-Rich for Young) that likely make the team even worse (from their current 23rd place) to give Lavine that extension. And why is Lavine interested in that? He´s so excited to play for the 26th best team in the league, rather than just say: Trade me to some max capspace team like Dallas, San Antonio, Charlotte etc. or lose me for nothing next summer.
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And that is where you conveniently ignore the elephant in the room that Jerry Reinsdorf did not want to pay Scottie Pippen after he won him six NBA championship on a journeyman salary (and helped establish the Bulls as a worldwide superbrand), thereby alienated Michael Jordan, drove Jimmy Butler out of town over his max contract and made Zach Lavine himself get a Kings RFA offer after acquiring him in that Butler trade. I´m sure that man is eager to re-negotiate Lavine´s contract for next year, just like Lavine is eager to re-sign with the cheap ownership that has shown such great faith in him.

You are always so big on agent relationship and that the Mavs must do anything to keep them happy. Guess Duffy threw a party, when Reinsdorf made Lavine chase an RFA offer, that ultimately paid him $30M below his max and cost Duffy some serious dough.
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To me, Lavine is the backcourt partner that will elevate the Mavs to elite.

But for now, I can settle for a Sato trade.  Big Grin

Sato can play with Luka as well as Brunson, and also play PG rather well. 

Would now update my list to.
1. Holmes+Dragic + whoever we get for JR
2. Holmes + Sato + whoever we get for JR


Note on DP: He is playing well, defending better, but still not good enough to re-consider not upgrading from him. Try as as he must with the likes of big bullies like Gobert, Embid and Jokic he won't bee able to defend them. The same is true with athletic bigs like Holmes and AD.

And I love DP. Who doesn't?
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You guys should bet a 1 month ban on the Lavine contract thing.
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(05-08-2021, 09:19 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Holmes + Sato + whoever we get for JR


DEFINITELY on board with this. Huge Sato fan.
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(05-08-2021, 09:19 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: To me, Lavine is the backcourt partner that will elevate the Mavs to elite.

But for now, I can settle for a Sato trade.  Big Grin

Sato can play with Luka as well as Brunson, and also play PG rather well. 

Would now update my list to.
1. Holmes+Dragic + whoever we get for JR
2. Holmes + Sato + whoever we get for JR


Note on DP: He is playing well, defending better, but still not good enough to re-consider not upgrading from him. Try as as he must with the likes of big bullies like Gobert, Embid and Jokic he won't bee able to defend them. The same is true with athletic bigs like Holmes and AD.

And I love DP. Who doesn't?

I think DP deserves a spot on the team. He has won me over again the last month. His paint finishing ability is pretty elite and its clear its a big part of our offense. I don't want to take that for granted as its hard to find a big with good hands and soft touch around the basket. We also know that not everyone is a great fit as we have seen. 

Its pretty crazy that the Dwight Powell and Tim Hardaway Jr are the prizes of big trades the Mavs have pulled off when they were not the marquee names in the trade. 

I don't know a lot about Sato but will spend some time looking up his highlights
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(05-08-2021, 08:56 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs can choose to be flexible based on how things are progressing. If no J Rich trade materializes then they would be better served as an under the cap team more likely. I think THJ will get ab 17 mil which would leave ab 17 + rMLE. WCS has a good chance to return again using the rMLE. 17 mil could fetch someone who could start or be a 6th man.

Dragic, Dinwiddie, Oladipo, Graham all seem like candidates you could get for that 17 mil number (or less). If you can find one guy you could still find a couple of role guys for that money and start THJ. I like that THJ has flex in terms of being able to start or come off the bench.
In the event Dallas operated under the cap, I like the plan you laid out but I tend to think if Dallas brings back THJ, it makes more sense to stay over the cap. WCS could have his team option picked up. You mention Dinwiddie as a candidate at 17mil, Dallas could S&T Redick to Brooklyn (at no less then 12mil per year) for him, still operate over the cap to utilize the full MLE, and explore JRich trade options to bolster the bench. (I didn’t do the math so I’m not sure whether we’ve reach luxury tax territory, that could sway the thinking or at least the potential return for a JRich trade) 

The biggest question I would have in this scenario would be this: is Dinwiddie (or any other Redick S&T option i.e. Danny Green) enough of an upgrade to the starting lineup/bench, that whatever tax penalties or hard cap triggers that come into place are worth the limited flexibility in a JRich trade and MLE signing? 

If you could turn Redick and JRich into Dinwiddie(S&T), T. Young(S&T), + MLE signing while keeping the rest of your roster the same, is that enough of an upgrade to limit in season flexibility from the hard cap?
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(05-08-2021, 09:45 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: You guys should bet a 1 month ban on the Lavine contract thing.




Ultimately whether Lavine signs that extension (from his POV alone) will depend on whether he wants to win or not, when he can easily force his way onto a much better team right now or next summer. We also have this Porzingis fella as a trade chip, that we can use to re-direct players like Hield, Ball, Rozier, Wiggins to Chicago as a reasonable player replacement. 



What I don´t get is the Mavs fanbase desire to be utterly mediocre, cause that´s what signing/acquiring players like Young/Satoransky means. At least try to sign Markkanen/Monk/Collins or acquire Hield/Wiggins/Wiseman. Players that are good, still young, can improve and have re-trade value in a star package. I can take a Wiseman/Wiggins/Monk package and trade them for Bradley Beal. WTF do I do with Young/Satoransky, two mediocre bench veterans that are one contract removed from minimum offers? 



It´s like people haven´t lived through Dirk´s whole career. If you are lucky that one superstar with depth approach wins you ONE championship. 




We need at least one All-Star talent, regardless of Porzingis, cause he´s clearly not good enough as a 2nd option. If you ignore the 20 minute cameo this latest injury is now almost three weeks, too.
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(05-08-2021, 09:19 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Note on DP: He is playing well, defending better, but still not good enough to re-consider not upgrading from him. Try as as he must with the likes of big bullies like Gobert, Embid and Jokic he won't bee able to defend them. The same is true with athletic bigs like Holmes and AD.

And I love DP. Who doesn't?

I just think Mavs will not prioritize Holmes given their huge need for a playmaker, Holmes high price tag (presumably) and the re-emergence of DP. I think the big rotation of KP/Maxi/DP/WCS has exceeded expectations honestly all things considered. You might keep Melli as a vet min hustle guy and call it a day. We don't need to worry ab Embid. KP guards Jokic well and guarding Gobert is a team defense thing. Just like DP getting lobs at the rim you have to rotate well to keep Gobert from easy offense (easier said than done).
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(05-08-2021, 09:45 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: You guys should bet a 1 month ban on the Lavine contract thing.

I know Dan likes to talk ab it I just don't see a Mavs path at all to Lavine unless he makes it to UFA. There's 2 big problems with that: 1. That's a whole year from now 2. These star players rarely make it to UFA. 

The best UFA this year that's actually available on paper is 35 year old Kyle Lowry. This was a summer that was supposed to have Giannis and Jrue Holiday. So I am not thinking ab Lavine at all.
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(05-08-2021, 10:19 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I don't know a lot about Sato but will spend some time looking up his highlights

Sato is fine but he's under contract so it would need to be like a trade (JR) or his contract not be guaranteed. I would be good if we got him for JR. He's not like a game-changer but would certainly be an upgrade over JR.
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(05-09-2021, 12:21 AM)SamStetz Wrote: In the event Dallas operated under the cap, I like the plan you laid out but I tend to think if Dallas brings back THJ, it makes more sense to stay over the cap. WCS could have his team option picked up. You mention Dinwiddie as a candidate at 17mil, Dallas could S&T Redick to Brooklyn (at no less then 12mil per year) for him, still operate over the cap to utilize the full MLE, and explore JRich trade options to bolster the bench. (I didn’t do the math so I’m not sure whether we’ve reach luxury tax territory, that could sway the thinking or at least the potential return for a JRich trade) 

The biggest question I would have in this scenario would be this: is Dinwiddie (or any other Redick S&T option i.e. Danny Green) enough of an upgrade to the starting lineup/bench, that whatever tax penalties or hard cap triggers that come into place are worth the limited flexibility in a JRich trade and MLE signing? 

If you could turn Redick and JRich into Dinwiddie(S&T), T. Young(S&T), + MLE signing while keeping the rest of your roster the same, is that enough of an upgrade to limit in season flexibility from the hard cap?

So the thing ab the Nets is I don't think they can do anything that would trigger a hard cap, including a S&T of JJR which would otherwise make a lot of sense. I would need my cap experts to chime in on that. Now a JR opt-in swap for a Dinwiddie swap may not trigger a hard cap and would also make a lot of sense in that the Nets would get a rotation player without having to give up anything or using exceptions.

Mavs don't have to worry ab hard caps this year. Next year with two RFA max players + other contracts, they might but that is a problem for another day. 

I do believe Mavs have a lot of flexibility in how they operate this summer and don't need to decide whether or not to operate under-the-cap until the dust settles with their targeted signings. THJ's deal will probably be negotiating while they are talking to other guys. 

I expect their bigger targets to be "off the board" pretty quickly. Collins is a guy they like but would require a S&T so I think if they don't have a framework in place with ATL before the opening of FA then he is scratched off the list. The older guards we like will probably also not be looking Dallas way to I think THJ + another piece or two will be the plan.

The going rate for THJ's player profile has been around that 4/70 number. Mavs could negotiate that while talking deals with J Rich and looking at the "bargain" guys like Dinwiddie and Dragic. A Dinwiddie/JR swap would be perfect to me in that it would still allow you to get Dragic for MLE.

A THJ/Dinwiddie/Dragic summer would be great imo. WCS would be signed for that BAE number and then you are off to the races.
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