2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

We should riot if that happens.

Whenever I think about adding someone via free agency, I can't come to a way where we do that without dropping Hardaway and/or Richardson.  I know Collins comes up a lot but other than that name is there another target that would be worth losing one or both of those guys for?  I just feel like the capspace we have is somewhat misleading because it requires dropping Hardaway's cap hold.  Not saying we couldn't go find a big upgrade, just feels more likely that any upgrade would be done via trade.

[loki]

Whenever I think about adding someone via free agency, I can't come to a way where we do that without dropping Hardaway and/or Richardson.  I know Collins comes up a lot but other than that name is there another target that would be worth losing one or both of those guys for?  I just feel like the capspace we have is somewhat misleading because it requires dropping Hardaway's cap hold.  Not saying we couldn't go find a big upgrade, just feels more likely that any upgrade would be done via trade.

If you lose one you probably need to replace him with another guard. I would take Holiday, Lowry, and Conley over Richardson.

[StepBackJay]

I do agree with this.  Said so MANY times before the draft.  Trade #18 for a sure thing.  Donnie has a terrible history of drafting later on in the first round.

Not that I've given up on Josh Green.  I just think the % chance JG is a good rotation player <<<<<<<< the % chance the guy they could have gotten for the #18 pick would be a good rotation player.

You could argue that you should just trade every first round pick for a future round pick and just gather them up cashing them in once every 5 years for a very good player. 

Do you like your odds better of hitting on 5 first round picks in 5 years or do you think you would do better trading them all for one player (presumably one you would have rights to for 3-5 years at least)? Your chance of hitting on a star or even upper tier starter are probably better with the pick gathering strategy.

[fifteenth]

If we ended up keeping this squad together and added a rotation player with the MLE would that be considered a step forward for you?  I'm big on continuity and I also think this roster is much more competitive than the general public gives it credit for but curious about your take.  

I just think we should be biding our time until we have enough assets to pull off more of a blockbuster trade the way we did with KP as opposed to incremental movements that would lighten our war chest of trade assets.

Because Luka will have a new, big contract soon, and because the roster needs a good bit of work at the moment, I think this summer is really important.

[StepBackJay]

If you lose one you probably need to replace him with another guard. I would take Holiday, Lowry, and Conley over Richardson.

Holiday would be a dream. Bucks gave up the farm for him and would not be outbid so the odds of him even being available are around 0%. Lowry I love too, you would have to do a massive overpay for him which Mavs won't do. Conley I like as an option just bc I think there's a good chance you can get him on like a 1 yr deal.

Mavs have 50 different directions they can go. Really the best thing they can do is sign guys that are worth more than their contracts. That and figuring out a way to dump Powell would be a victory.

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

If you lose one you probably need to replace him with another guard. I would take Holiday, Lowry, and Conley over Richardson.

I for sure would lose Hardaway for Holiday and maybe Conley depending on the price but I'm concerned about Lowry falling off over the next couple years so I'm wary of spending a lot of money there.  I also think Holiday is going to stay for sure, that would be way too steep of a price for the Bucks to pay for a rental so I think he'll get whatever he wants there (he's also a fantastic fit there).  If Lowry considered us that would be interesting but the trade deadline makes me think we aren't on his radar.  Conley seems like the only potential get.

Along the secondary playmaker lines though, I'm VERY interested to see what the Pacers do with Brogdon this offseason and what kind of package they'd be looking at if they were to move him.

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Because Luka will have a new, big contract soon, and because the roster needs a good bit of work at the moment, I think this summer is really important.

I think we have good role players on good prices for the most part minus Powell (post injury) but definitely agree this roster is missing one big piece to be a true contender.  I think where I differ is that it has to happen this summer, I actually think it will be easier for us if we wait a year or two when we have FRPs to throw around again.

[StepBackJay]

Because Luka will have a new, big contract soon, and because the roster needs a good bit of work at the moment, I think this summer is really important.

I think we said that 2 years ago and there were actually a bunch of free agents available then. Mavs came away with Curry, Boban and Wright. Curry was a great add given that the majority of FA's weren't available. Boban was not a needle mover and Wright was not a fit at all. I wish Mavs had been serious about Brogdan, that's my big regret there. After that it's hard to argue that Curry wasn't one of the best value additions of that summer.

[loki]

Holiday would be a dream. Bucks gave up the farm for him and would not be outbid so the odds of him even being available are around 0%. Lowry I love too, you would have to do a massive overpay for him which Mavs won't do. Conley I like as an option just bc I think there's a good chance you can get him on like a 1 yr deal.

Mavs have 50 different directions they can go. Really the best thing they can do is sign guys that are worth more than their contracts. That and figuring out a way to dump Powell would be a victory.

Agreed on Holiday. Only including him because he's still technically a 2021 UFA. Milwaukee will eventually cave and max him if that's what it takes.

Dallas would certainly have to pay top dollar to land Lowry. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility though. They've gone for high dollar short term deals before. As for Conley, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a 2-3 year deal.

[ClutchDirk]

Carlisle hates rookies is the biggest lie being said for many years on this board...

[loki]

I for sure would lose Hardaway for Holiday and maybe Conley depending on the price but I'm concerned about Lowry falling off over the next couple years so I'm wary of spending a lot of money there.  I also think Holiday is going to stay for sure, that would be way too steep of a price for the Bucks to pay for a rental so I think he'll get whatever he wants there (he's also a fantastic fit there).  If Lowry considered us that would be interesting but the trade deadline makes me think we aren't on his radar.  Conley seems like the only potential get.

Along the secondary playmaker lines though, I'm VERY interested to see what the Pacers do with Brogdon this offseason and what kind of package they'd be looking at if they were to move him.

I guess I'm willing to take the risk on Lowry because it's next to impossible to find guards that can shoot, defend, and create shots for their teammates. Dallas is currently paying THJ to do the first, Richardson the 2nd, and Brunson the 3rd. Unless their training staff finds a way to fuse those three into one human being, Lowry seems like the best way to open the window (short term) for championship contention.

Brogdon would be an amazing fit, but the Mavs will probably be outbid by half the league if he's made available.

[ItsGoTime]

The Heat and Raptors happen to be really good and developing young guys and incorporating them early.  They're the exceptions.

I'd add the Spurs to this list.

[StepBackJay]

As for Conley, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a 2-3 year deal.

Conley and Lowry are just on two different tiers. Lowry even at his advanced age I think will get a big deal. Conley I just don't believe has the same market value or anywhere close. Given his age I would be shocked if he got 3 years. Two years maybe possible but I think he will sign a 1 yr deal.

[StepBackJay]

Seeing as how Lowry would rather be on the Raptors or Heat that here I think you have to offer a max dollar two year deal to be in the conversation (something like 2/70).

[ItsGoTime]

Whenever I think about adding someone via free agency, I can't come to a way where we do that without dropping Hardaway and/or Richardson.  I know Collins comes up a lot but other than that name is there another target that would be worth losing one or both of those guys for?  I just feel like the capspace we have is somewhat misleading because it requires dropping Hardaway's cap hold.  Not saying we couldn't go find a big upgrade, just feels more likely that any upgrade would be done via trade.

It's been floated out there to get the players to say yes, then work a SnT. We lose something in that scenario, the idea is the return is much greater because SnTs to the team trading the player out hardly ever get = value. To the tune of Maxi+ for Collins, or something like that. Collins however doesn't seem to be (at this moment in time) very gettable cause it seems sans a horrible playoff showing that they will probably match all offers.

Right now, seems Lonzo is the target that is easiest to acquire since NO doesn't look like they want to pay him what he'll probably command on the market (which granted is an overpay, which I have been very against).

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You could argue that you should just trade every first round pick for a future round pick and just gather them up cashing them in once every 5 years for a very good player. 

Do you like your odds better of hitting on 5 first round picks in 5 years or do you think you would do better trading them all for one player (presumably one you would have rights to for 3-5 years at least)? Your chance of hitting on a star or even upper tier starter are probably better with the pick gathering strategy.

Ah, the Herschel Walker way to win! The Thunder are currently working on that idea. We'll see how it turns out.

[ItsGoTime]

I think where I differ is that it has to happen this summer, I actually think it will be easier for us if we wait a year or two when we have FRPs to throw around again.

And there that can gets kicked down the road already!

[loki]

Conley and Lowry are just on two different tiers. Lowry even at his advanced age I think will get a big deal. Conley I just don't believe has the same market value or anywhere close. Given his age I would be shocked if he got 3 years. Two years maybe possible but I think he will sign a 1 yr deal.

If Conley were Lowry's age I might agree. He's only 33 though and putting up almost 16/4/6 on 45/42/84. And from his perspective, I imagine he would prefer a long term deal unless someone really goes overboard for 1 year.

[loki]

Seeing as how Lowry would rather be on the Raptors or Heat that here I think you have to offer a max dollar two year deal to be in the conversation (something like 2/70).

 
That seems like a massive overpay even for Dallas. I think 2/50 can get it done. Toronto isn't in the conversation at 25/yr and Miami just traded for Oladipo. I suppose they could sour on him and turn back to Lowry, but they don't have room for both.

[ItsGoTime]

I suppose they could sour on him and turn back to Lowry, but they don't have room for both.

Let's not put anything past Mia getting what they want.

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

And there that can gets kicked down the road already!

Haha hey man if there's a name out there to go after and get then I'm always down, just not sure what that name would be and what assets we could use at the moment, but I've been surprised before when I think we don't have much to offer.  It's just hard to imagine getting a real game changer here with anything less than 2 firsts attached to a trade which we won't have for a couple years, I just don't expect much in terms of big names being lured here in free agency.

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I guess I'm willing to take the risk on Lowry because it's next to impossible to find guards that can shoot, defend, and create shots for their teammates. Dallas is currently paying THJ to do the first, Richardson the 2nd, and Brunson the 3rd. Unless their training staff finds a way to fuse those three into one human being, Lowry seems like the best way to open the window (short term) for championship contention.

Brogdon would be an amazing fit, but the Mavs will probably be outbid by half the league if he's made available.

Ya that's all fair points on Lowry.  I'm just nervous about a quick fall off but could be totally wrong.

[StepBackJay]

If Conley were Lowry's age I might agree. He's only 33 though and putting up almost 16/4/6 on 45/42/84. And from his perspective, I imagine he would prefer a long term deal unless someone really goes overboard for 1 year.

Do a lot of 33 yr olds get long term money? Al Horford is the last guy I remember getting a huge deal and Philly like instantly regretted it