2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[IamDougieFresh]

Guys Dwight is terrible. He had one offensive skill and now he has one good achilles. There is no fit. The only thing Dwight overlaps is his seat on the bench.

[SleepingHero]

Guys Dwight is terrible. He had one offensive skill and now he has one good achilles. There is no fit. The only thing Dwight overlaps is his seat on the bench.

I was wondering where you went.

[HanspardShowerVoice]

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As far as Powell's fit, he has fit alongside Kleber in Dallas. Why couldn't that translate to ORL and playing with Vucevic? I think that has to be the core of the thinking.
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Also if Magic are trading Gordon, they might be going all in on a blowup/rebuild and might be dealing Vuc in a separate deal too.

[IamDougieFresh]

I was wondering where you went.

Been busy.  

Saw some shit about Dwight and AG and had to pop in

[Jason Terry]

One possibility to consider ...

Aminu has been incredibly bad offensively the entire time in ORL. So bad it makes him close to unplayable. And he's getting 10M this year and next.

It would probably be a lot of value for the Magic for a team to take him off their hands. And perhaps the Mavs wouldn't be afraid of taking him, since he was here before. (But, again, his offense is AWFUL. Beyond awful.)

So maybe there's a framework of a deal that STARTS like this:

Gordon - Aminu
Powell - Johnson

Is that close enough to open the door to negotiate from there? That feels like an opening idea or offer, maybe with a pick included, and then see if ORL is interested enough to talk further.

Maybe it goes nowhere. But maybe Mavs are asked to add DFS or Green or a pick. Maybe in return for that ask, ORL is asked to add something. Maybe Mavs try to get Ross in the deal instead of Aminu. Maybe Burke is added to the mix. Maybe ORL is eager to shuffle the deck in a big way. Maybe the Mavs aren't, but are enticed by the opportunity to add Gordon if the number of bodies is limited. Maybe maybe maybe ..but the key is finding a starting point to work from.

You could take this even a step further and they could drop all their bad contracts on us. 

AG/MCW/Ennis/Aminu

for 

Green/Terry/Powell/Johnson and two 2nds 

ORL does need to drop some salary. I could only see them doing something like this if the offers for Gordon are light in their eyes. This would save them $15 million next year and get them out of the tax this year

[SleepingHero]

Been busy.  

Saw some shit about Dwight and AG and had to pop in

As you should.

Just wondering have you ever thought of the day when the Mavs don't have Powell on the team? Would your hater club cease to operate? Or would a new candidate fill its halls?

[IamDougieFresh]

As you should.

Just wondering have you ever thought of the day when the Mavs don't have Powell on the team? Would your hater club cease to operate? Or would a new candidate fill its halls?

I don't see a worthy candidate on the current roster but we would have to be getting some pile of shit back if we manage to trade Dwight.

[StepBackJay]

I phrased it badly. The offer was 2 1st round picks from the Blazers. Magic rejected it. Rockets traded RoCo.

Ya I am sure they regret that now lol

[F Gump]

You could take this even a step further and they could drop all their bad contracts on us. 

AG/MCW/Ennis/Aminu

for 

Green/Terry/Powell/Johnson and two 2nds 

ORL does need to drop some salary. I could only see them doing something like this if the offers for Gordon are light in their eyes. This would save them $15 million next year and get them out of the tax this year

1 If they were discussing something like that, I think a lot of it would hinge on the RELATIVE desire ORL might have for players like DFS, Green, Burke, Terry -- vs who the Mavs like best in that group.
2 In that discussion (of the above), I would love to find a way to get Bamba rather than MCW. But not sure if Mavs would be interested in Bamba or not -- he is slipping into "reclamation project" class, and the possibility of him being available also raises questions of whether he would be wanted. He still holds interest to me (maybe because I don't have to see him play?)

[dirkfansince1998]

Ya I am sure they regret that now lol

Magic regret it. Blazers are happy. Mavs had interest in RoCo but the price was to high.
RoCo started ice cold but he in the last few weeks he has been on a hot streak from 3. Right now he is shooting 35.6%. Exactly his career average. Slightly below league average. Add great defense and a team leading +13 on/off (Lillard is 2nd/+7.7). That´s probably worth two mid first round picks.
I was always extremly high on RoCo. Despite his impressive steal and block numbers his defensive impact is getting underrated by casual fans. Top five help/team defender in the league.

Gordon isn´t nearly as good as RoCo.

[ClutchDirk]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936...able-stars

[jesusshuttlesworth82]

Maybe we can trade for Khem Birch instead based on that quote above about how much better he is than Bamba.

[F Gump]

Maybe we can trade for Khem Birch instead based on that quote above about how much better he is than Bamba.

Bamba certainly has been disappointing for ORL, while Birch has exceeded modest expectations in the same time period. Bamba seems always on the verge of them giving up on him. What we've seen reminds me of the trajectory of Justin Anderson, an ongoing wait for him to get better, but he gradually gets fewer and fewer minutes, and we know how that turned out in Dallas.

[Jommybone]

Has anybody tried to combine the rumors into a three-way trade? Makes a lot more sense to me that Powell would head to NO instead of O and Reddick would provide cap relief for the Magic rather than shooting for the Mavs. So

Magic net Reddick, Johnson, and some young'n,
Pelicans nab veteran leadership from a guy who can’t bolt this summer, and 
Mavs land 2 fish in Fournier and Gordon that they’ve long been enamored with. 

The deal seems light on the O side. Would think they could do better than expiring plus a single prospect. So add another young'n. Or 2. And a second rounder?

[DanSchwartzgan]

Good point.  I went back and looked and it isn't current either.  It is four weeks old.  Interesting to note that the author of the Gordon/Powell piece is Jake Fischer.  Where have we heard that name before?

I still don't get this from the Orlando perspective.  Would Powell be the first C off the bench ahead of Birch?  That isn't clear to me.  I get that Powell could play next to Vuc, but that job eventually belongs to Isaac and Okeke.  So, the need is temporary, yet Powell has two years remaining after this one.

Powell isn't a very good conduit to other Mav assets (like Green).  Expiring Johnson would be better.  To me Johnson and Green makes more sense than Powell and Green if I'm Orlando.  I do see the possibility of eating a year of Aminu as part of the price for Gordon.  But WCS would make more sense than Powell as a way for Orlando to offload Aminu.

I don't want Brunson as the outgoing in a deal for Gordon.  Just creates another hole and I'm not sure Gordon is good enough to warrant losing Brunson.

If Dallas was in conversation with Orlando this summer, it would have been someone plus 18 and 31.  I doubt that someone would have been Powell coming off of injury.  I totally get Powell being the outgoing from the Dallas perspective.  I'm just not buying it from the Orlando perspective.

Moving this conversation here.  The Orlando beat writer for The Athletic did a player by player piece looking at the likelihood of each being traded here:  


https://theathletic.com/2450231/2021/03/...e-preview/


Below is the section on Aaron Gordon.

Aaron Gordon
Age: 25.
Contract status: 2020-21: $18.1 million, 2021-22: $16.4 million.

How he’s played:[b]   [/b]Gordon has had a weird season — a season in which he had to play some point guard following injuries to Fultz, Anthony and Carter-Williams. Gordon’s shooting a career-best 36.5 percent from 3-point range, and he’s also averaging career highs of 4.0 assists and 2.7 turnovers per game.
Gordon has missed 17 of Orlando’s last 18 games following a severe left ankle sprain.

Conclusion: Gordon trails Fournier by a small margin as the Magic’s player to watch before the deadline.
There are two factors at work.

First, Gordon is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent during the summer of 2022, so his free-agency clock is starting to tick. Although he’s never expressed dissatisfaction with the Magic, the team’s front office will soon need to explore potential deals to guard against losing him in free agency for no one (or no picks) in return.

Second, Gordon almost certainly would be impacted if the Magic part ways with Fournier. Parting ways with Fournier would leave Orlando without a starting shooting guard. Gordon could be traded for a starting shooting guard.

Gordon’s best position offensively is the power forward spot. But the Magic have two other young players who also are best suited offensively as forwards, Isaac and Chuma Okeke, leaving the Magic with an unbalanced roster. Given the Magic’s recent contract extension for Isaac, it would make a lot of sense to trade Gordon.

My guess is that the Magic will not trade Gordon before this year’s trade deadline and instead would intensify their efforts for a trade during the offseason. But it is possible that a Gordon trade could come sooner than later.

[omahen]

Here is a discussion with Minny and Portland beat writers. Conclusion - they don't want to move their core pieces like Beasley or Covington for Gordon. Portland also doesn't want to trade Simons or Little, while Minny is reluctant to add picks. Orlando doesn't want Rubio or Hood. No deal done.

I guess expiring Johnson and picks (with perhaps one of the rookies) could get the deal done for Mavs. 

https://theathletic.com/2452733/2021/03/...ers-trade/

[HanspardShowerVoice]

Just working with the trade machine, I don't see a lot of available avenues for the Portland to work a trade for Gordon's salary without shipping off comparable talent.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Just working with the trade machine, I don't see a lot of available avenues for the Portland to work a trade for Gordon's salary without shipping off comparable talent.

That is the point of the article.  For Minnesota it is basically the same thing if they aren't willing to give up Beasley.  Otherwise, it is Rubio/Culver as the core of a deal.  Rubio covers a very ST need that will vanish when everyone is healthy again.  But, you'll still be paying him big money in 21/22.

[ItsGoTime]

JJ/THJ/Green for Fournier/AG/Aminu works salary-wise. Orl would prob be asking for more. I’d part with a couple seconds to make it happen, maybe the 2027 first, but I don’t think that has a ton of value right now.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

We all know AG is an upgrade over DFS on offense.  AG can play point forward and is actually a better passer than Brunson (who happens to be the next best playmaker the Mavs have), Unlike DFS and Maxi, AG can create his own shot and not just stand around the 3 point line and wait for Luka's pass. He is a threat to shoot from distance, a lob threat and also has the advance moves to score in the paint un-assisted (something neither DFS or Kleber could).

And then there is AG's defense.

There was a game where I was very impressed with AG's one-on-one defense against Luka. Luka couldn't seem to shake him easily, AG was always in front of Luka and Luka couldn't bully him. Of course, Luka scored a lot anyway, but on some plays, AG made Luka give up the ball. If AG brings that kind of defense and effort to the Mavs he'd easily be the Mavs best defender against big wings and small 4s.

AG seems to be a fit, a versatile big who can also play make.  If the Mavs need to include Brunson in a trade, so be it.  Mavs will trade a starting PG who can't start for a starting PF who can, and also play the point.

But of course if Orlando settles for the rookies (either or both) Green and Terry, then, much better trade for the Mavs.

What I would like:
Gordon+Fournier for Powell+Johnson+Terry