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2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived
(03-12-2021, 03:47 PM)omahen Wrote: We should notice the patter. Every really good player that comes on the market someone goes all in. I guess we would have to be really lucky to get someone good on a discount. More likely it will take ALL our remaining assets.

As for Minnesota, they are just crazy. They are already at the tax line and they would add another max player to the mix? Even so another player who is not really a tone setter on defense. I guess we could just be patient and gather assets for KAT Smile

To clarify a bit, if the Mavs want him, they need to trade for him.  I don't love our odds if Collins is going to have multiple max offers.
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(03-12-2021, 03:47 PM)omahen Wrote: As for Minnesota, they are just crazy. They are already at the tax line and they would add another max player to the mix?


I suspect this is from Collins agent, using MIN to generate interest in Collins. I just don't buy that MIN has a realistic shot there.
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MacMullan inferred that Minnesota wants to trade for Collins really, really bad.   But yes, they would have no problem offering him a max in free agency either.   I suspect several teams will.   Supply and demand in the talent market ultimately decides what a player is worth, and there's more demand for Collins caliber players than supply.   

If they don't make the playoffs next year and/or KAT walks or starts demanding a trade, Rosas and Scott Layden are probably fired immediately on the spot.   They're not going to survive having to trade KAT.      They blew the Wiggins + pick/D'Angelo trade.   They blew the Jarred Culver trade up/pick.   I don't think the Minnesota Ownership is in the mood for a never ending rebuild process while Rosas is blowing or trading off high draft picks.
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(03-12-2021, 04:24 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Is KAT + Collins + D'Angelo a core that makes the playoffs?   I don't know.    I do know if they don't make the playoffs next year and/or KAT walks, Rosas and Scott Layden are probably fired immediately on the spot.   What do they have to lose?    How many rebuilding years do you think Minnesota ownership is willing to sit through when they haven't been competitive since they traded KG.  Especially when they can't even rebuild when Rosas is trading off their draft picks.


The million dollar question for Minny, before thinking about Collins, is if owner is prepared to pay tax for a team that might perhaps be good enough to make the playoffs. As they are right now, they have 128 mil of committed salaries for next season for 10 players. That is before the 2021 pick, which might end up with them anyway and bring in some 10 mil of additional salary. I am sure Rosas would love to have a 150 mil cap team to perhaps make the playoffs, but not so sure owners are willing to play along Smile
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(03-12-2021, 01:40 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: This OKC game is why the Mavs need a 3rd star 

If I can add Kemba to the team without letting go of KP or JB I do it in a heartbeat

Nope I wish Mavs had just signed Kemba outright. Celtics won't just give him away and if they were willing to do that I'd be nervous.
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(03-12-2021, 01:10 AM)F Gump Wrote: I don't think that's possible in a practical way. In a world of endless minutes and endless payroll, perhaps - but that's not real life.

Maxi and Gallo play essentially the same role - a bigger wing who can hit 3s. And Maxi is the guy who needs to play, if you have both.

Maybe you can find room if you have a serious chunk of minutes going to Atlanta, but who would that be? And if you're sending minutes, you are using a player talented enough that it matters, rather than accepting a salary dump. Given the 20M a year price tag, just doesn't seem worth the cost on all levels.

There are enough minutes to go around. Mavs need scoring.
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(03-12-2021, 11:03 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Simmons speculates that Denver and Dallas are the two obvious suitors for Oladipo.  Simmons speculates Dallas could give up Josh Green.   Denver has more assets than Dallas because they could trade Gary Harris, Bol Bol and picks.    Jackie McMullan says Jamal Murray tells her the Nuggets really need a rim protector to complement with Jokic, after losing Grant and Plumlee from last year's team.

Why would anyone give up anything for Dipo when he can leave in a few months? If Mavs give up Green its because they already think he's a bust (which I don't think they believe that).
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(03-12-2021, 03:04 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Yeah I'm interested in Dipo if he's absolutely dirt cheap or if it's a THJ swap. 

Otherwise it's too big of a risk he walks to Miami this summer. Plus he may not even be a great fit here anyways if his shooting is terrible.

My feeling is that Dipo is in the driver's seat here. His agent will say that here are the teams Dipo will resign with and that's going to be Houston's trade partners. I doubt Dallas is on that list. I feel like the Knicks will trade for him and then give him a max deal.
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(03-12-2021, 03:45 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [Image: giphy.gif]

It's hard to take Kamm seriously sometimes bc he overrates 5 ppg guys like Frank N and underrates 20 ppg like Dipo.
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(03-12-2021, 05:43 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: It's hard to take Kamm seriously sometimes bc he overrates 5 ppg guys like Frank N and underrates 20 ppg like Dipo.


It's hard to take SBJ seriously sometimes bc he overrates 32.3% 3P guys like Dipo and underrates 56.5% 3P guys like Frank N.

Cherry-picking is fun! Thanks for doing it with me! Smile
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I try to consider everyone’s POV in these discussions, and lord knows I’ve been wrong as much as the next guy, but even the most staunch KP believers realize that his injury situation, combined with his contract, make for a difficult life for our Mavs.

Why anyone would live through almost two years of that and want to double down by paying Victor Oladipo, whose injury status is just as bad if not worse, really has me scratching my head. I wouldn’t touch that dude if the Spurs were paying him to play here.
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(03-12-2021, 06:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: It's hard to take SBJ seriously sometimes bc he overrates 32.3% 3P guys like Dipo and underrates 56.5% 3P guys like Frank N.

Cherry-picking is fun! Thanks for doing it with me! Smile

I don't think its cherry-picking bro. Dipo is going to get a big contract bc the league thinks he's a lot more valuable than Frankie Smokes. I mean Frank is literally a 5 ppg career guy who was drafted top 10. Is he going to get even more than a vet min contract? I realize he plays defense but he's a JAG. We already have our Green here who has more upside "Frankly" (pun intended). Anyways just pointing out that Kamm gets too excited ab spares.
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(03-12-2021, 06:38 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't think its cherry-picking bro. Dipo is going to get a big contract bc the league thinks he's a lot more valuable than Frankie Smokes. I mean Frank is literally a 5 ppg career guy who was drafted top 10. Is he going to get even more than a vet min contract? I realize he plays defense but he's a JAG. We already have our Green here who has more upside "Frankly" (pun intended). Anyways just pointing out that Kamm gets too excited ab spares.


Just comparing my love for Frank and my dislike for Dipo is comparing apples and oranges. 

I have wanted Frank as a reclamation project the last couple years to fill out the roster because he would be cheap and is only 22 still and has shown lots of defensive potential.

I have not wanted Dipo because he has serious injury issues (and is probably past his prime), has only one great season in the league (which is now years ago), is not playing well this season (or last), and is looking for a giant contract. 

Look if Dipo wants to come to DAL as a reclamation project, cool I am in. But that isn't the context for him. 

Point is these are two very different conversations.
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(03-12-2021, 06:52 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Just comparing my love for Frank and my dislike for Dipo is comparing apples and oranges. 

I have wanted Frank as a reclamation project the last couple years to fill out the roster because he would be cheap and is only 22 still and has shown lots of defensive potential.

I have not wanted Dipo because he has serious injury updates (and is probably past his prime), has only one great season in the league (which is now years ago), is not playing well this season (or last), and is looking for a giant contract. 

Look if Dipo wants to come to DAL as a reclamation project, cool I am in. But that isn't the context for him. 

Point is these are two very different conversations.

Frank is your version of Lonzo.  Unfortunately for me or rather the Mavs, Lonzo has really turned it around and is probably going to get a pay day that would make me think twice.
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Frankly Smokes for Burke, Iwundu and the removal of or pick protections

He fits better as the 5th guard than Burke who is too similar to JB and THj. Both of which are physically limited defensively and best suited for their current roles long term

PS- add back JJ with the extra roster spot. Get that team leader back and give him another retirement press conference after his second championship
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(03-12-2021, 10:31 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Frankly Smokes for Burke, Iwundu and the removal of or pick protections


Is he even in the rotation? I wonder if you could get him for less.
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(03-12-2021, 01:25 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I heard on LockedOn Mavs that the OKC host would be on board with Powell + a 2nd for George Hill. Sign me up for that!


I'd do that so quick.
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(03-12-2021, 06:52 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I have not wanted Dipo because he has serious injury issues (and is probably past his prime), has only one great season in the league (which is now years ago), is not playing well this season (or last), and is looking for a giant contract. 


The thing is, Dipo's play right now is still better than what we are getting from Josh Richardson and at times THJ. We need a sort of baseline consistency. THJ isn't that. JRich unfortunately isn't that either. Dipo has always put up around 18 ppg on around 42-45% shooting along with great defense. 

Plus his value is at an all time low, making him incredibly cheap relative to what other all-star level guys are going for. He would most likely walk which basically means the Mavs won't trade for him but still.


(03-12-2021, 06:52 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Just comparing my love for Frank and my dislike for Dipo is comparing apples and oranges. 

I have wanted Frank as a reclamation project the last couple years to fill out the roster because he would be cheap and is only 22 still and has shown lots of defensive potential.


Also I just don't get what you see in Franky Nicotine. Sure he has all the measurables and what-not. He's an interesting 12th man. But I will not be surprised if Frank is out of the league for good this summer and is back in Europe.
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(03-13-2021, 02:55 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: The thing is, Dipo's play right now is still better than what we are getting from Josh Richardson and at times THJ. We need a sort of baseline consistency. THJ isn't that. JRich unfortunately isn't that either. Dipo has always put up around 18 ppg on around 42-45% shooting along with great defense. 
Except for 9 IND games before the trade, he hasn't been above 40% since the '18-'19 season. Mostly due to sub-par 3pt shooting. 


I just don't see what this guy brings that we aren't getting with either JRich or THJ.

Plus he thinks he deserves a BIG payday after this season.
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