2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[KillerLeft]

Did he tell Zach Lowe "fuck you" and 'that he doesn't know shit"?

No, lolz. He’s not a clown like Cuban.

[cow]

No, lolz. He’s not a clown like Cuban.

Has Cuban surpassed Jones as far as shitty owners go?

[KillerLeft]

Has Cuban surpassed Jones as far as shitty owners go?

Nooooooo

He at least somewhat allows the gm and coaches do their jobs. Jones is more like Al Davis or Jim Dolan. Cuban is just a clown. He’s mostly harmless.

[cow]

Nooooooo

He at least somewhat allows the gm and coaches do their jobs. Jones is more like Al Davis or Jim Dolan. Cuban is just a clown. He’s mostly harmless.

Jones does dumb shit like the Elliot and Cooper contracts, but gives you glimpses of hope by not giving into Dak's contract demands.  He is terrible and all but at least he can get any free agent his heart desires.  Cuban can't even get in the conversation.  And while Cuban let's Donnie do whatever he wants, he probably should have fired Donnie a long time ago. 

*shrug*

[Branduil]

My attempt at a KP for Collins trade:

https://tradenba.com/trades/xcFLrefZo

Mavs get Horford as a "bonus"

[ItsGoTime]

The Mavericks never replaced his skillset.

I think JRich more than replaced his skillset. More importantly, he has much more of coaches confidence.

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Horford was received with a FRP. You have to extract at least that value from the Thunder because Horford isn't getting any better with age.

[dirkfansince1998]

I miss the days where only a few teams had smart GMs, good scouting and owners that are willing to pay. Mavs really need to step up if they want to get back to the top. Missing out on Bey and Bane looks worse with every game they play. Same for the Johnson-Wright trade (if Johnson is still on the roster after the deadline it is a big L).
Don´t even want to mention the missed opportunities and bad free agent signings. WCS and Burke instead of a useful rotation piece for the full MLE. 2 fully guaranteed years for Iwundu. Basically a wasted roster spot. Having Boban on the roster when the coach clearly has no use for him. Another wasted roster spot.
As of now the Curry-Richardson trade is looking like an L as well. Can only hope that Beys recent g-league success translates to a role in the NBA.

Obviously to early to make a final call on the rookies but as of now the offseason was a complete failure.

[Kammrath]

Wright trade

This particular one is on RC for not finding a way to get him to fit and have success. 

And as far as the rookies in this class, I am not even close to beginning to evaluate who hit where and who didn't.

[Branduil]

This particular one is on RC for not finding a way to get him to fit and have success. 

And as far as the rookies in this class, I am not even close to beginning to evaluate who hit where and who didn't.

I mean maybe it's just not possible for a non-shooter to fit with Luka.

[KillerLeft]

Some of you guys are just looking for things to be pissed off about. I find that hilarious, given that there are so many real things to be pissed off about.

Here is how I see the reality of the DeLon Wright situation:

He was terrible here. Not “meh” but really bad. What’s worse is hat he was a whiner about it. Fortunately, they were able to unload his contract to Detroit. For the first month of the season in Detroit, Casey had him almost completely out of the rotation, just like Carlisle did here. That’s because he wasn’t playing well. Then, the rookie Hayes got injured, and Casey STILL tried not to play Wright. Ultimately, he had no choice but to commit to a role for him. Since that time he has had maybe five or six good games, but most of them have been really, really underwhelming. How do I know this? Because he’s on my fantasy team and so I am aware of what he puts up each and every night. Wright is still a young player, but Detroit saw fit to double down on Hayes by trading for DSJ. THAT’s how little they think of Wright already. 

And oh yeah - Detroit is one of the worst teams in the league. Think that has anything to do with subpar PG play? Yeah me, too.

If you want to bash the MBT for SIGNING Wright, fine. But it’s pretty cheap to hit them for cleaning up the mistake, too. 

In conclusion, Wright sucks. Yay Mavs for no longer employing Wright.

[juanc]

I am realy impressed by how many guys here are "watching" Pistons games(Oh and Grizzlies), so they are 100% sure that Wright and Bey and Bane are playing so great.
And once again I have to say it.. Don't be so quick to judge rookies

[dirkfansince1998]

I am realy impressed by how many guys here are "watching" Pistons games(Oh and Grizzlies), so they are 100% sure that Wright and Bey and Bane are playing so great.
And once again I have to say it.. Don't be so quick to judge rookies

We are posting on a basketball forum. That alone puts us in the "nerd" category. Not a suprise that some of us are watching non Mavs games. I am probably not the only one with a league pass subscription and I can definitely say that in the current situation (COVID) I am watching more basketball than ever before.

[ItsGoTime]

We are posting on a basketball forum. That alone puts us in the "nerd" category. Not a suprise that some of us are watching non Mavs games. I am probably not the only one with a league pass subscription and I can definitely say that in the current situation (COVID) I am watching more basketball than ever before.

With hehestreams, I too have “league pass” and for the first time in many many years I have started watching a few non-Mavs games. KL got my watching fever going last playoffs when he was talking about the great games going on.

[dirkfansince1998]

Getting back on topic. Trade talk.
The Magic have so many useful pieces that could really help a contender or a team like the Mavs. We tend to focus on Aaron Gordon but Fournier and Ross are also salary matches for James Johnson. Recently Bamba was mentioned in trade rumors. Mainly as a potential trade target for both LA teams and Portland.
If they embrace the tank they probably want to add some draft picks. If they try to sneak into the playoffs they desperately need a PG.
Mavs could provide both.

Just an example:

Fournier + Bamba --> Johnson + Burke + top 10 protected 1st

They would probably prefer Brunson but I would rather give up a 1st.

[Hypermav]

Because he’s on my fantasy team

 


A fantasy owner would know...

[omahen]

Fournier + Bamba --> Johnson + Burke + top 10 protected 1st

I really like Fournier, I think he is a slightly better version of THJ. Problem I see - where in the guard rotation do you put him? Minutes are already scarce between Luka, JRich, DFS, THJ and Brunson on PG, SG and SF positions. With basically zero minutes available for rookies. Of course there is not really any point to switch any of the guys I mentioned with Fournier. 

I guess you would have same problem with Bamba. He is probably not really ready to contribute and we already have a bunch of centers who are not really ready to contribute.

If we are looking at smaller improvement, I guess PF is the only position where we actually have a hole behind (in front of?) Kleber, if we think Johnson is unplayable. But then again, does bringing a guy like (for example) Thad Young really move the needle for the Mavs? Is it worth spending an asset on him? I think it might be better to either look for a serious upgrade (we can basically use it on any position) or just stand pat. Or perhaps just trade Johnson for a bit better player that has more years on his contract.

As for trading for an almost star, our position is actually not that bad. We have a lot of expiring contracts, we can offer two FRP and pick swaps. This could be enough ammo, if something becomes available. I guess we are still short for Beal type of player, but we might have enough for the second tier of players.

[chaparral]

I am realy impressed by how many guys here are "watching" Pistons games(Oh and Grizzlies), so they are 100% sure that Wright and Bey and Bane are playing so great.
And once again I have to say it.. Don't be so quick to judge rookies

Bey is averaging 20.8 minutes in 27 games and shooting .418, .415 and .826 with 9.4 PPG.

Bane is averaging 22.4 minutes in 21 games and shooting .485, .477 and .833 with 10.2 PPG.  Bane is 8th in the league in 3PT% shooting right now.

[SweetFidelia]

In the offseason, I thought throwing some spare part expirings for Griffin or Love would have been okay as I have thought and still do that the 4 spot is the biggest issue when you have a guy like KP. You need the Randle / (young) Griffin body type and athleticism to cover for KPs lack of strength and twitch (to copy a Sturm football term).  I’m glad that didn’t happen as those guys look completely washed.  But, I think I’m also ready to get off the KP train.  I don’t think he’s used right, and I don’t think he even gets what he is and what his strengths and weaknesses are.  2021 FA looks bleak, the cap space is fool’s gold, we have expirings and some assets, so I think it’s time to shake this roster up. Orlando is going nowhere except backwards. Atlanta desperately wants in the playoffs, and they are sinking fast. I tried some 3 way trades but had to send Capela to Orlando....so I threw in the hapless TWolves and found an absolutely bonkers 4 team fantasy trade...of course for fun and yucks, and here is the result:  

MIN receives
Tony Snell ($12.1 expiring)
Kris Dunn
Maybe a 2nd for their help.

ORL receives
Rajon Rondo
James Johnson ($15.7 expiring)
Tim Hardaway, Jr. ($18.9 expiring)
Cam Reddish
2021 ATL 1st
2022 ATL 1st (best of the 2 as they have OKC’s)
2025 DAL 1st

ATL receives
Kristaps Porzingis
Aaron Gordon
Jalen Brunson
James Ennis III

DAL receives
Nikola Vucevic
John Collins
Danilo Gallinari
Ricky Rubio

Pick Rationale:
ATL is sending 3 1sts, Reddish, and a ton of expiring money for Vuc and Gordon.
DAL is providing one of the 1sts, Brunson, KP, and the expiring JJ and THJ for Collins, Gallinari, and Vuc, which seems reasonable to me.
ORL can start over...again.
MIN gets a little salary relief for next year. They really need their guys back to see what on earth they actually have there.

For ATL, the Capela factor really could offset KPs liabilities better than what we have. Gordon gives them a nice Collins replacement, and you can easily play those 3 together or mix and match. Brunson is a perfect Young back up.  KP will still have a Euro buddy in Bogdan.  Young, Hunter, Gordon, KP, Capela, Bogdan, Huerter, and Jalen is pretty salty.

For Dal, Vuc and Collins should be phenomenal at the 4 and 5 offensively and with rebounding. And we get a true back up PG who is a solid defender. Gallo is the 6th man replacing THJ. 

Luka / Rubio
JRich / Burke / Green
DFS / Gallinari / Iwundu / Green
Collins / Kleber / Gallinari
Vuc / WCS / Powell / Boban

Fun stuff.  Never had the courage to post this kind of thing, so please be gentle in you bashing!

[Mavs2021]

I’m not sure should expect him to say anything else.  Can you see him saying “yeah, these guys we have are bums.  Hopefully Mark and Donnie can get me a damned rebounder”.

Agreed. Carlisle still has to work with these players every day. Then this FO has been a mess for so long.Maybe they are just having another disconnect.Maybe Carlisle/Cuban wanted to trade all the picks again and Donnie wanted to commit finding another going core piece.Anyway you look at it.Covid them an excuse an they turned to mediocre veterans players completely irrelevant to our future.End result still lost most games and got zero development out of it.                                                                                 Cuban is clearly losing it.Snapping at Zach Lowe,arguably the most well respected mildmannered Nbawriter was another huge mistake.Yes an utter tool.Does he really think that impressed Luka or any leading free agents. He came across as a pathetic old hack.     Clearly he can't hide behind Dirk anymore and blame all his ownership failures on Dirk's decade long retirement tour.The Lakers drafted Russell,Ingram,Randle,Nance,Zubac during Kobe's tour.Cuban couldn't even find one player better than any of them in a fucking decade. And not just in the draft,not in free agency either.

[ItsGoTime]

I really like Fournier, I think he is a slightly better version of THJ. Problem I see - where in the guard rotation do you put him? Minutes are already scarce between Luka, JRich, DFS, THJ and Brunson on PG, SG and SF positions. With basically zero minutes available for rookies. Of course there is not really any point to switch any of the guys I mentioned with Fournier. 

I guess you would have same problem with Bamba. He is probably not really ready to contribute and we already have a bunch of centers who are not really ready to contribute.

If we are looking at smaller improvement, I guess PF is the only position where we actually have a hole behind (in front of?) Kleber, if we think Johnson is unplayable. But then again, does bringing a guy like (for example) Thad Young really move the needle for the Mavs? Is it worth spending an asset on him? I think it might be better to either look for a serious upgrade (we can basically use it on any position) or just stand pat. Or perhaps just trade Johnson for a bit better player that has more years on his contract.

As for trading for an almost star, our position is actually not that bad. We have a lot of expiring contracts, we can offer two FRP and pick swaps. This could be enough ammo, if something becomes available. I guess we are still short for Beal type of player, but we might have enough for the second tier of players.

Haven't really concentrated on him when I've watched ORL, but if he's a better version of THJ, why is there any question about where he fits? Let the guys compete for spots. 

I think Kleber and DFS are the 2 worst starters on our team currently (worst starters as far as starters on a championship quality team), I think JRich could be a starter on a championship team if he's the 4th or 5th best player. DFS is not a good enough consistent 3 point shooter and while his defense is pretty good, it's not at a place where it makes up the difference. Also, there are tons of really good 3nD SFs out there in the league.

Kleber has yet to show he's a good high minute player that starters typically get. His fit depends on our decision with KP though, cause if we can get a C to replace KP that is a big body that can bang with the other big bodies in the league, I think Maxi compliments that guy SOOOOOOO well. In all honesty, Maxi might be the best defender we have on the team (as long as he fully recovers from this COVID bug, I've heard stories) and he's one of the best spot up shooters too. Actually, Maxi's fit with almost any C is great, as long as that C can take the bangers, cause that is his one defensive downfall.