2020-2021 ROSTER TALK: Archived

[khaled1987]

If Lonzo can score the 3PT% like he did last year then he is good fit here tbh, if he can't then he is a bad one IMO. 

He is good defender, big and good playmaker and ball handler. His dad doesn't seem an issue anymore tbh.

That said, I doubt Pelicans will let him go if he is shooting well.

[burekemde]

If this was 2 years ago I'd agree with you. But Lonzo put up some solid numbers last year. This year he hasn't been consistent at all. He'd have 1 good game then 2 bad ones. 

But even still he had a 4 game stretch (he's only played 10 games) so far where he averaged 15.5ppg/5.8apg/5.5rpg on 43.1/36.7/50

So he can still get there. 37% from 3 was right where he was last year

Yes and the way opponents double Luka, the skills of Lonzo are exactly the ones you look for. And JRich. Then you dont double Luka.

[Branduil]

If this was 2 years ago I'd agree with you. But Lonzo put up some solid numbers last year. This year he hasn't been consistent at all. He'd have 1 good game then 2 bad ones. 

But even still he had a 4 game stretch (he's only played 10 games) so far where he averaged 15.5ppg/5.8apg/5.5rpg on 43.1/36.7/50

So he can still get there. 37% from 3 was right where he was last year

It's hard to believe those numbers last year weren't a fluke when he's consistently such an awful FT shooter. Also important to note his threes are pretty much always wide open, because teams guard him like Rondo. Except there's no playoff Lonzo as far as we know.

[mvossman]

One other problem with DFS/Maxi/KP starting, is that none of them can handle/drive the ball, making our offense a lot more predictable. Put your best defender on Luka and run the others of the 3-pt line.

Aren't those the same guys that were playing last year in the best offense in the history of the NBA?  Seems like a lot of overreaction to a small sample of games, none of which we were fully healthy.  Lets get the Covid guys back and give JRich some time to gel with the starters.  If we still have offensive struggles, then we can talking about needing to upgrade that side of the ball.

[SleepingHero]

Aren't those the same guys that were playing last year in the best offense in the history of the NBA?  Seems like a lot of overreaction to a small sample of games, none of which we were fully healthy.  Lets get the Covid guys back and give JRich some time to gel with the starters.  If we still have offensive struggles, then we can talking about needing to upgrade that side of the ball.

You're 100%. My natural inclination is to fix the team right now through a trade, but we've really haven't been 100% at all so far. The only time we were close we went 3-1 with a lone loss to CHA. 

We need those COVID guys back ASAP, and hopefully they're not suffering from lasting effects from that virus.

[omahen]

Trade idea: James Johnson, Tyrell Terry, Josh Green and a lottery-protected 2026 first-round pick for Oladipo. Sounds nice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...contenders

[SleepingHero]

Trade idea: James Johnson, Tyrell Terry, Josh Green and a lottery-protected 2026 first-round pick for Oladipo. Sounds nice.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...contenders

Yes 10000x yes.

Losing Green would hurt. But gaining a prime all-star SG that can also be a playmaker will soothe the sting.

[cow]

Yes 10000x yes.

Losing Green would hurt. But gaining a prime all-star SG that can also be a playmaker will soothe the sting.

Unless you think Dipo makes us a title contender, why not just sign him this offseason?  That price seems steep and kills our trade assets down the line.

[omahen]

Unless you think Dipo makes us a title contender, why not just sign him this offseason?

Because the cost of that would be THJ+JRich (+Bobi+WCS). I guess Johnson+rookies+pick is a far smaller cost if you are building a contender.

[KillerLeft]

But gaining a prime all-star SG that can also be a playmaker will soothe the sting.

Wait...I thought we were talking about Victor Oladipo.

[StepBackJay]

Looking at that BR trade it would be interesting for sure. Mavs would still be keeping THJ in that scenario which is interesting. J Rich, THJ, Oladipo are a little bit redundant in terms of size but you would probably start Luka, Dipo, Rich, Maxi, KP and still have a lot of bench firepower with Burke, THJ, Brunson, DFS, Powell. I like it okay as long as you get an extension, otherwise I would probably just offer him a deal in the summer to replace THJ if his price comes down to something the Mavs can do.

I think its more likely Dipo gets flipped again to Miami or another contender.

[cow]

Because the cost of that would be THJ+JRich (+Bobi+WCS). I guess Johnson+rookies+pick is a far smaller cost if you are building a contender.

You are still going to want to extend Dipo so you probably aren't going to resign one of, if not both of THJ/JRich in the offseason.  If the Mavs resign Bobi, I'm going to be disappointed.  I love the guy and all but he's used way too sporadically and in the little burn he's got this year, he hasn't looked great.  If we decline the team option on WCS and he moves on, I'm not going to lose any sleep.

[omahen]

You are still going to want to extend Dipo so you probably aren't going to resign one of, if not both of THJ/JRich in the offseason. 

There is absolutely no limitation to resign all three. If Cuban is prepared to pay tax of course.

[SleepingHero]

Unless you think Dipo makes us a title contender, why not just sign him this offseason?

I think having the advantage of bird rights gives the Mavs the edge in the offseason. I think Dipo wants to go to South Beach if he could choose, but history has shown that players follow the money usually. Bird rights gets us there.

There's also the argument of adding a 3rd star actually makes the Mavs a more serious title contender, which is worth debating. 

Wait...I thought we were talking about Victor Oladipo

We are! Listen, Dipo before his injury was a top SG in the league and a shoe-in all-star. It took him a while, but he looks back to form. He's averaging 21/6/5 on 43/36/75, which were the same numbers he was putting up in IND pre injury. His defense and rotation's haven't lost much if at all. He is also one of the premier PnR SG's in the league. 

The only concerns I'd have is if he even wants to come to Dallas/stay should the Mavs go after him. Second, as with any player who had a big injury, injury concerns are always on the mind. But the proposed package is cheap enough that the Mavs don't really lose much if it doesn't work. And if it did work Luka/Dipo/DFS/Maxi/KP is a heck of a lineup.

[cow]

There is absolutely no limitation to resign all three. If Cuban is prepared to pay tax of course.

I can't imagine having all three of them on the roster would be the long term plan.

[omahen]

I can't imagine having all three of them on the roster would be the long term plan.

Why is that? Oladipo and JRich as starters, THJ 6th man. Minutes given to the hottest hand on any given night. Basically its Burke that falls out of rotation.

[cow]

Why is that? Oladipo and JRich as starters, THJ 6th man. Minutes given to the hottest hand on any given night. Basically its Burke that falls out of rotation.

What I'm assuming they will want for contracts.  Starting guesstimations:

Dipo:  28m
THJ: 19m
JRich:  14-16m (maybe more)

Cuban's going to foot that tax bill? I'm doubtful.

[omahen]

What I'm assuming they will want for contracts.  Starting guesstimations:

Dipo:  28m
THJ: 19m
JRich:  14-16m (maybe more)

Cuban's going to foot that tax bill?  I'm doubtful.

In this case 2021 salary would total 134 million for 11 players (no Bobi, no WCS). Not really that much and still possible to go below tax by dumping Powell. Of course from 2022, Mavs would be 20 mil + in tax. But these are actually tax bills contender wannabes are paying now.

[cow]

In this case 2021 salary would total 134 million for 11 players (no Bobi, no WCS). Not really that much and still possible to go below tax by dumping Powell. Of course from 2022, Mavs would be 20 mil + in tax. But these are actually tax bills contender wannabes are paying now.

I'm probably fine with the trade then but still doubtful we'd do it.  I'm not sure that's a contender either but it does give you a much better combination of defense and offensive firepower than where we are are today.

[dirkfansince1998]

Like the idea. Oladipo is one of the more obvious choices when it comes to (near) salary matches for Johnson but for me rookies + picks is to much. We just saw that despite his solid start his trade value isn´t as high. Not to mention that the trade only makes sense if he signs an extension/agrees to resign.