10-08-2020, 03:00 PM
(10-08-2020, 11:47 AM)Hypermav Wrote: https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/10/6...-ish-smith
Not my Seth!
I saw that the other day. The most garbage trade of all time lol
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10-08-2020, 03:00 PM
(10-08-2020, 11:47 AM)Hypermav Wrote: https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/10/6...-ish-smith I saw that the other day. The most garbage trade of all time lol
10-08-2020, 03:25 PM
Seth is reserved for the Josh Richardson/family reunion trade.
10-08-2020, 03:38 PM
10-08-2020, 03:47 PM
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(10-07-2020, 03:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(10-07-2020, 03:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, for me, the only requirement for that deal to be a success is for the player to be better than what’s available at #18. I don’t think that’s impossible at all. Edit: Did some research on Dinwiddie. No 3, no D, no thanks. The list is shorter... (10-08-2020, 03:38 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:(10-08-2020, 03:25 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Seth is reserved for the Josh Richardson/family reunion trade. Negative.
10-08-2020, 04:06 PM
(10-08-2020, 12:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure if Boston sees Hayward in their plans moving forward or not, so this might be crazy. But, the more I think about it, the more I feel like he's a target the Mavs would absolutely get excited about. Hayward is an interesting name for sure. My issue is that defense would be pretty rough with him, Luka and THJ out there. If Hayward was brought in as a replacement for THJ it might make more sense as I think he would be a clear upgrade over THJ. Also salary-wise I don't see how you get to 34 without giving up some good assets. Teams are so desperate for talent I think Boston will get a good deal for Hayward. I don't know that the Mavs are desperate enough to send assets for Hayward. That being said if you did THJ + filler for picks that would be an upgrade imo. Boston already has too many guards/wings so I don't know that THJ is much use to them. Maxi might be somebody they like but I don't want to give him up. I guess I just don't really see a path that makes sense for both teams.
10-08-2020, 04:08 PM
(10-08-2020, 04:06 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:(10-08-2020, 12:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure if Boston sees Hayward in their plans moving forward or not, so this might be crazy. But, the more I think about it, the more I feel like he's a target the Mavs would absolutely get excited about. No Hayward for me. No matter how good it looked for the Mavs, remember trade rule #1.
10-08-2020, 04:16 PM
(10-08-2020, 03:25 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Seth is reserved for the Josh Richardson/family reunion trade. This is definitely on my radar now that Doc's the coach. I don't know the Mavs opinion of Richardson but on paper he seems like the type of starting wing we need on this team. Assuming THJ stays they would essentially both be the 2 wings with DFS sliding the PF. If you have both THJ and J-Rich under contract and miss out on Giannis (which likely is over pretty quick) aren't you better just resigning both (ie asset management)? You could resign both assuming you aren't going completely nuts AND still use MLE that year to improve the team once again. This assumes Mavs aren't going to reshuffle again for 2022 PP but in my view you are better off with THJ/J-Rich/MLE than whatever you are going to get in 2022.
10-08-2020, 04:20 PM
(10-08-2020, 04:16 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:(10-08-2020, 03:25 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Seth is reserved for the Josh Richardson/family reunion trade. I would target Jrue if he looks spry in '21.
10-08-2020, 04:27 PM
(10-08-2020, 04:06 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Hayward is an interesting name for sure. My issue is that defense would be pretty rough with him, Luka and THJ out there. If Hayward was brought in as a replacement for THJ it might make more sense as I think he would be a clear upgrade over THJ. Also salary-wise I don't see how you get to 34 without giving up some good assets. Oh, it's not what I would do, but I think THEY would would love to do it.
10-08-2020, 06:57 PM
(10-07-2020, 10:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, if he’s not healthy, totally different story, @"Scott41theMavs". You might be right.Absorbing contracts is an interesting idea. I would just point out that there will be a lot more competition for that type of deal in 2021 than in years past. And it requires Dallas to renounce all their own free agents including THJ, Schroder, or any other expiring they trade for in 2020. I'm skeptical that the return will be great enough to justify all of that. I definitely see the value in having another expiring at the deadline, but if that's what Dallas needs to pull off a big trade, there are easier ways to acquire them. Trading Wright, spending the MLE, or re-signing Lee could all get the job done without having to give up a 1st round pick. And expirings are only one piece of the puzzle. You have to have assets to go along with it. KP would likely be wearing another jersey right now if Dallas had not made DSJ and their draft picks available. I see #18 and #31 this year as a chance to replenish the stock of tradeable assets. Those are much harder to come by than expirings imo.
10-08-2020, 08:55 PM
(10-08-2020, 12:36 PM)omahen Wrote:(10-08-2020, 12:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If so, could they get it done without including THJ? Wright too? No way! No Deal!
10-08-2020, 11:01 PM
10-08-2020, 11:13 PM
10-09-2020, 12:01 AM
Pretty good to hear WCS wants to give it another shot.
He didn't show much in his limited time but I feel like it was a victim of circumstance and not personal talent. I think he can put together a great full season with the Mavs with a full training camp under him. And at 2mil a year, it's hard to beat that value. If WCS shows he's a consistent lob threat with solid defense, then it makes Powell even more expendable than he already is. WCS will be filling the Powell role, and at 9 mil less a year.
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10-09-2020, 12:32 AM
(10-09-2020, 12:01 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: WCS will be filling the Powell role, and at 9 mil less a year. No he will not WCS will be third center with Powell probably ready from day one of the delayed season start. Maxi, Powell, DFS and KP will take most of PF and C minutes. Of course, there will be games when KP will rest and where WCS could get a chance to prove himself.
10-09-2020, 01:13 AM
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(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)omahen Wrote: No he will not WCS will be third center with Powell probably ready from day one of the delayed season start. Maxi, Powell, DFS and KP will take most of PF and C minutes. Of course, there will be games when KP will rest and where WCS could get a chance to prove himself. Hard to disprove you based on what we saw from when WCS was actually playing with us. I was coming from the idea that what we saw of WCS was a handicapped version. Outside variables that depressed his on-court production and gave us an underwhelming performance. First he was integrating into an entirely new team. The Mavs offense isn't a simple one, and while WCS job in that offense is relatively simple, there is a lot of movement, and build up to make his actions simple. I'm sure there was a learning curve there, and he certainly was learning on the go. I mean heck Carlisle used to give players quizzes on offensive sets. Then after he was traded a family member of his suddenly died prematurely. I'm sure that affected him significantly. Enough to keep him out of games. Now be in his shoes. Just got transferred to an entirely new city, in an entirely new organization where you barely know anyone, and then a close family member dies? Thats tough. We've seen flashes of what WCS can be at his peak. And those flashes are a Brandan Wright lite with better defense. Basically Powell's role to a T with some upside. IF WCS can actually fill in those shoes THEN Powell's job is in jeopardy. And I believe a training camp and offseason will help WCS immensely with filling out that role. (Also, I wouldn't be so sure that Powell is the day 1 starter. KP looked like an All-NBA player when he started at the 5. I think we see the return of Maxi+DP bench mob with WCS and Boban playing spot minutes).
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10-09-2020, 01:28 AM
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(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)omahen Wrote:(10-09-2020, 12:01 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: WCS will be filling the Powell role, and at 9 mil less a year. More dreamin'... (10-09-2020, 01:13 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:(10-09-2020, 12:32 AM)omahen Wrote: No he will not WCS will be third center with Powell probably ready from day one of the delayed season start. Maxi, Powell, DFS and KP will take most of PF and C minutes. Of course, there will be games when KP will rest and where WCS could get a chance to prove himself. This.
10-09-2020, 01:44 AM
Ya, I think WCS is more of the player the FO wishes they had in DP than what DP really is. Time will tell if his work and skill set translates on this team, but I like the thought of him being that “goonie” he was talking about in the podcast. As far as that, while all players may have that in them, there are those who understand the role better than others. I think if you told Maxi or DP to be that guy, it would take more of a learning process for them to figure it out than someone like KP and WCS.
If he gets more consistent minutes like we know DP would (and probably will still get with all the benefit of the doubt he gets around here), I think he would prove to be a good rotation piece more so than DP.
10-09-2020, 02:09 AM
(10-09-2020, 01:44 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If he gets more consistent minutes like we know DP would (and probably will still get with all the benefit of the doubt he gets around here), I think he would prove to be a good rotation piece more so than DP. I was just looking up some stats. In 157 minutes in Dallas, WCS had a total of 11 blocks. In the same season, Dwight played 1061 minutes and had a total of 22 blocks. WCS had a total of 61 blocks on the season. Dwight has never had more than 50. WCS lowest amount of blocks on a season was 44. WCS is just another type of dude when it comes to rim defense.
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(10-09-2020, 01:13 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think we see the return of Maxi+DP bench mob with WCS and Boban playing spot minutes). I agree. WCS will be behind Powell, it doesn't matter if Powell comes from bench or start. Powell will also get every opportunity to get back to where he was. All you guys are seriously underestimating the level of commitment Mavs made to Powell. WCS would have to show absolute monster games to overtake him. (10-09-2020, 01:44 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ya, I think WCS is more of the player the FO wishes they had in DP than what DP really is. Nope. Mavs are not stupid, they know exactly what Powell is and they paid for that. There are tons of things Powell is bringing to the table that WCS is not. And I am not just talking about elite rim running. There is leadership, there is hard work ethic, culture, energy he plays with is lifting others and so on. |
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