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(3 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: If we pull that cheap owner thread, my takeaway is more about them wanting to unload Sharpe, who has 4 years remaining at roughly $20 mil? Would you do PJW (or Gafford, or Marshall) for him instead?
I don't have a strong enough opinion to say either way on Sharpe. His highlights are great. I'd have to do a deeper dive there to give a more informed opinion.
I will say that Schmitz knows them well enough that if he was the one they traded for, I would have no problem with any of the proposed outgoing for him. A Wing/Big for Guard trade makes a lot of sense between the two at the end of the day.
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(3 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: Just to add to this:
I suppose you could make the argument that Jrue Holiday is an even more obvious choice to be outgoing, but I think Portland is really trying to be good right now and I believe that they believe his defense will make a difference as part of the obviously ridiculous Lillard/Morant guard rotation. And, I personally wouldn't be that excited about adding him to the Mavericks at this time.
I posted this earlier, but this is the actual trade that makes the most sense for both, IMO.
POR: Naji Marshall, Klay Thompson
DAL: Jrue Holiday
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The Lakers obviously face financial constraints but league sources say they continue to explore the feasibility of adding Jonathan Kuminga to fill a wing need.
Cleveland and Milwaukee have also expressed Kuminga interest and a return to Atlanta has not been ruled out
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(3 hours ago)Smitty Wrote: I posted this earlier, but this is the actual trade that makes the most sense for both, IMO.
POR: Naji Marshall, Klay Thompson
DAL: Jrue Holiday
I've always loved Holiday. There have been times when I thought he'd have been a great addition, even a year ago at this same time when most here thought he was done and too expensive.
But now...eh. Say what you want about "timelines" being overrated, but I just couldn't get excited about it.
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(3 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: I've always loved Holiday. There have been times when I thought he'd have been a great addition, even a year ago at this same time when most here thought he was done and too expensive.
But now...eh. Say what you want about "timelines" being overrated, but I just couldn't get excited about it.
It's less about the on-court product this year and more about the asset management for me. I don't want to give Naji the extension. I don't think Klay has any real value. By trading both for Jrue, I not only get another competent guard next to Year 2 Flagg, to go along with Kyrie, I also get a valuable expiring next year of $37m, and his name carries some weight around the league...
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(3 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: I've always loved Holiday. There have been times when I thought he'd have been a great addition, even a year ago at this same time when most here thought he was done and too expensive.
But now...eh. Say what you want about "timelines" being overrated, but I just couldn't get excited about it.
I'm in the same boat. Love Jrue, but Naji is a legit asset and I would not want to send him out for a 36 year old.
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Irving/DeLarrea/Nembhard
Christie/Thompson/Sasser
Flagg/Marshall/Martin
Washington/Aldama/Biberovic
Gafford/Johnson/Lively
Two-way
Ishchenko, Lawal, Poulakidas
Given how they operated so far, I´d think they move Middleton/Thompson/Martin for another shooting guard,and that might be it.
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(3 hours ago)Smitty Wrote: It's less about the on-court product this year and more about the asset management for me. I don't want to give Naji the extension. I don't think Klay has any real value. By trading both for Jrue, I not only get another competent guard next to Year 2 Flagg, to go with along with Kyrie, I also get a valuable expiring next year of $37m, and his name carries some weight around the league...
I posted before I saw this. Maybe I don't hate it.
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Given how teams have operated this summer, I can tell you exactly how contenders would look at 37M at age 37. Sure Mavs buy him out, we´ll sign him for the minimum.
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(3 hours ago)Smitty Wrote: It's less about the on-court product this year and more about the asset management for me. I don't want to give Naji the extension. I don't think Klay has any real value. By trading both for Jrue, I not only get another competent guard next to Year 2 Flagg, to go along with Kyrie, I also get a valuable expiring next year of $37m, and his name carries some weight around the league...
I can kind of see it, from this perspective. Good stuff.
I kind of think Marshall (as an expiring AND as a player) and Thompson (as an expiring AND a bench shooter for a very close contender) might have some value NOW. Would your desire to kick the can down the road, asset wise, be about who's available? I'm not sure I'm confident you'd get a better young player than Henderson or Sharpe then, and I kind of think the higher price tag narrows the field of possibilities then, even with it being expiring.
But it's good conversation, thanks.
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(3 hours ago)Mavs2021 Wrote: Given how teams have operated this summer, I can tell you exactly how contenders would look at 37M at age 37. Sure Mavs buy him out, we´ll sign him for the minimum.
This is kind of what I think, too. I think the expiring salaries you can do the most damage with are Marshall/Thompson sized. Easier to combine two of them than to be locked into finding a match for a bigger one. I think this problem is what forced the Mavs to make that Porzingis to WAS trade.
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(3 hours ago)KillerLeft Wrote: The only idea we've talked about this summer that I MIGHT like better than this one is Cason Wallace, only...he's guaranteed to more expensive to lock down on his next deal, will almost surely involve significant draft capital outgoing (I'm hopeful a POR deal could be pretty reasonable on that front) and - last but not least - we're only guessing that he's the guy OKC is willing to move.
Here comes my hot take, but isn't Sasser just a slightly less version of Wallace? I just feel like the assets plus money you'd have to use to get him wouldn't be worth it. I would absolutely love to have him, but I just don't see it happening.
Then again, player values have been all over the place this summer.
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(3 hours ago)Moviemavguy Wrote: Here comes my hot take, but isn't Sasser just a slightly less version of Wallace? I just feel like the assets plus money you'd have to use to get him wouldn't be worth it. I would absolutely love to have him, but I just don't see it happening.
Then again, player values have been all over the place this summer.
I don't think that's a crazy take. They clearly wanted a point of attack defender who could shoot in the rotation, and Sasser can also create shots for himself, believe it or not. I don't think it's crazy to think they believe he can flourish in a bigger role, and these ARE the main benefits to be gained by hypothetically adding Wallace.
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(3 hours ago)Mavs2021 Wrote: Irving/DeLarrea/Nembhard
Christie/Thompson/Sasser
Flagg/Marshall/Martin
Washington/Aldama/Biberovic
Gafford/Johnson/Lively
Two-way
Ishchenko, Lawal, Poulakidas
Given how they operated so far, I´d think they move Middleton/Thompson/Martin for another shooting guard,and that might be it.
I know he hasn't signed yet but I would be shocked if Cisse isn't back given all the Lively concerns.
Also, is Biberovic thinking about coming over? He seems way more polished than Ischenko but I have no clue with the plan is with all these international players. We're not even 100% sure Sergio is coming over yet.
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(3 hours ago)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Also, is Biberovic thinking about coming over?
No idea, but I hope so. My dude can SHOOT, which I'm delighted to see has been the theme of the summer, so far.
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(3 hours ago)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I know he hasn't signed yet but I would be shocked if Cisse isn't back given all the Lively concerns.
Also, is Biberovic thinking about coming over? He seems way more polished than Ischenko but I have no clue with the plan is with all these international players. We're not even 100% sure Sergio is coming over yet.
Yeah, there was a tweet about that Bibe guy being interested in coming over to the NBA this year which i believe predated the trade.
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I posted that list earlier about remaining Mavs trade targets and asked if there were any realistic targets left on the FA market. Is there anyone left on the FA boards who plays on the perimeter who might be able to crack the rotation for the Mavs if offered half the MLE or upward?
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(3 hours ago)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Yeah, there was a tweet about that Bibe guy being interested in coming over to the NBA this year which i believe predated the trade.
It might have predated the trade, but even if it did, it might not have predated the agents' knowledge that the trade was possible.
Just saying...I'm getting a real sense that the old "European talent welcome" sign has been pulled out of storage, dusted off and turned on again.
It COULD be that his interest in coming over prompted the Grizzlies to offer him in talks and the Mavs to grab him, but it could also be that he's suddenly interested in coming over because of a change in relationships in the Dallas organization.
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(4 hours ago)Smitty Wrote: @BrettSiegelNBA
Anfernee Simons had deals on the table from Miami and Golden State.
The Warriors were offering him a minimum contract as they wait for word from LeBron James, sources told @ClutchPoints.
Simons wanted nothing less than $6M a year on a new deal, which is exactly what he gets.
For a team that needs Guard help, it stings seeing Simons go for $6m on just a short 2-year deal. Same for Sexton and his $9m/yr for 2 years. What are the Mavs cooking up in the trade market??
I still think it is Mathurin and the Clippers get added to a DET/DAL/MEM/OKC deal to make it five teams. BTW, the version I had last night had Gafford going to LAC and Mathurin coming to Dallas. What I didn't realize at the time is Gafford and Klay could both go to LAC in such a deal as they'd be sending out both Collins and Mathurin. Klay would then be closer to his boat and could visit it on a more regular basis.
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(3 hours ago)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I know he hasn't signed yet but I would be shocked if Cisse isn't back given all the Lively concerns.
Also, is Biberovic thinking about coming over? He seems way more polished than Ischenko but I have no clue with the plan is with all these international players. We're not even 100% sure Sergio is coming over yet.
Are some reports he is interested to test the NBA. Seems he still has a contract, but probably has a reasonable buyout. I honestly think three 2nd round picks with at least an outside shot one of them being a first rounder around #21-23, is an overpay for Aldama alone. So I hope they actually have intentions to sign him. Also the new FO has gone really heavy on Schmitz´s international scouting. De Larrea, Ishchenko, Aldama, Lawal, rights to Biberovic. That´s five Euros, and two Americans in Johnson and Sasser, one with heavy ties to the head coach and one with local ties.
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