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[mvossman]

Exactly how we felt about Tyson Chandler back in 2011.

I wasn't on this board back then, but I don't remember that being the sentiment at all.  Not to mention it was a totally different world.  Chandler extension would not be near the size of what AD is looking for, he was 27/28 as opposed 32/33 and the CBA was much softer back then.  Its way more punishing now to strap yourself to an albatross contract.

[Winter]

Sort of agree with Mvossman about priorities.

I know one can make the argument to see how Kyrie and AD impact Flagg and the Mavs play. But to me, I feel like I can visualize the end-point of all that.

The other argument is to prioritize draft capital and young players, and to start adding building blocks.

That's more compelling to me.

[michaeltex]

 

They have the Clippers pick this year and next year. Those will both be lottery picks.

Nope. Checked multiple sites. If it's lottery 1-8, then it doesn't convey to OKC.

Here's the link to the OKC picks at RealGM

Also future UTAH picks status. There's a lot of 2027 swap opportunities involved, so I don't know where it lands, but the possibilities don't include OKC.

[michaeltex]

I wasn't on this board back then, but I don't remember that being the sentiment at all.  Not to mention it was a totally different world.  Chandler extension would not be near the size of what AD is looking for, he was 27/28 as opposed 32/33 and the CBA was much softer back then.  Its way more punishing now to strap yourself to an albatross contract.

Surely AD will not expect a max contract when he's next eligible, at age 35. He has a PO for the 27-28 season for ~$65M, but beyond that I don't see him getting another max, or anywhere close. Ideally, he gets comfy here, helps with a couple of deep playoff runs while watching Flagg mature, then declines his PO to sign a 3-1 contract at a reduced rate to extend his paydays and help with roster building. But that's probably just me having too much holiday cheer.

[mvossman]

Surely AD will not expect a max contract when he's next eligible, at age 35. He has a PO for the 27-28 season for ~$65M, but beyond that I don't see him getting another max, or anywhere close. Ideally, he gets comfy here, helps with a couple of deep playoff runs while watching Flagg mature, then declines his PO to sign a 3-1 contract at a reduced rate to extend his paydays and help with roster building. But that's probably just me having too much holiday cheer.

I have heard suggested a Kyrie type contract (which is significantly less than his max extension).  In my mind there is a high probably that contract would turn into an albatross relatively soon.

[Kidnova]

I can't remember what version of this board we were in during 2011, so I can't give any links, but I can tell you that very, very few of us were believers in that team. 

For what it's worth, we were on the Scout boards back then, because I first joined right around the time of the Tyson Chandler trade. I totally dismissed the trade as garbage, naturally.

[Mavs2021]

Nope. Checked multiple sites. If it's lottery 1-8, then it doesn't convey to OKC.

Here's the link to the OKC picks at RealGM

Also future UTAH picks status. There's a lot of 2027 swap opportunities involved, so I don't know where it lands, but the possibilities don't include OKC.

Two of most favourable of LAC (unprotected), Philly (protected 1-4) and Utah (protected 1-8), which means they´ll convert the unprotected Clippers pick and probably the Sixers pick, since Utah is currently and will tank into the bottom eight.

Just check Tankathon, they always include the swaps/conversions.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

[Jakeospikez]

Just curious...Mavs pick 11th...would you trade that pick and PJ for Trey Murphy?

Imo no way. Players in the 11th pick range are generally high quality. You could get a Trey Murphy or maybe even someone better than Trey Murphy. Could be worse but a total bust is pretty rare. There's no rush to win now. Rookie contracts keep you flexible financially so I'd keep the pick for financial reasons alone already. Strong draft class further enforces this.

I don't think history is in their favor.  Most champions have a core that have played together for multiple years, generally getting some playoff experience together during that ramp up time.  A lot of times they will add a key piece to put them over the top, but there is generally a strong core with years of experience together.  Our top three guys have not played a single game together.  Two of them have been on the team for less than a year.  We are asking those guys to build whole lot of chemistry very quickly.[/color]

Lebron, Jokic and Ginnis all took at least 8 years to win a title and they were all around 27.  It takes a lot of time to get to the point where you can be a number one option on a title team.  Its asking an awful lot for Flagg to do it in his early 20s.

This is going back some but this situation could be closer to Tim Duncan than a Lebron. Those guys teams were terrible while Duncan had a hof vet/coach to play with in a good situation.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I think Trey Murphy > the #11 pick and PJ

But right now, we can dream about the pick. That it'll turn into a long term running mate for Cooper. I don't think Murphy is a long term #2.

He'd fit great on this current team around Kyrie, AD, and Coop.

[Chicagojk]

I don’t think there is a clear answer on direction.  For me that is sort of fun.  I think in time a clear answer will present itself.  Hopefully before it is too late.

I have been a Mavs fan for a long time.  Almost walked away.  Personally I have always enjoyed the build and the discussions around it rather than expecting to win every game.

I am in Killer’s side at the moment.  For me it boils down to two issues.  One is how good Flagg is already.  The other one is I am very lukewarm to any of the AD trades I have seen.  I understand he does not have a ton of suitors but I only want to move him if I get back a clear asset that matches the upside AD can provide.  I am willing to gamble on his health if no deal materializes.

[windjc]

How good will the Mavs be next year with an All-NBA Flagg, AD, and a fully recovered Kyrie?

Answer = better than the Championship runners-up Mavs team. The team can absolutely win the Championship next year if the Thunder somehow get some issues around a three-peat.

You don’t blow up a team that can/will be that good. Take your pick at number 15-20 or whatever and draft another All-Star. There’s always at least one around there or later every year. You have to draft a “him”’every time you draft if you want to be competitive with the Thunder.

[Mavs2021]

How good will the Mavs be next year with an All-NBA Flagg, AD, and a fully recovered Kyrie?

Answer = better than the Championship runners-up Mavs team. The team can absolutely win the Championship next year if the Thunder somehow get some issues around a three-peat.

If they are better than the Luka finals team, why do they need the Thunder to have issues. That inferior Luka team beat the Thunder 4-2.