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(12-12-2025, 01:27 PM)Smitty Wrote: The "future" in the NBA is more season to season than anything else. Maybe you can stretch it to a 2-year outlook. I'm saying AD is absolutely on the roster next year if the return is something like bad contracts from Toronto and a FRP or two in the 2030's.
I hear what you're saying and I get why you're saying it. But if AD is on the roster next season, I'll consider that just as much a failure as Toronto's offer.
Neither is good, but watching our oldest players get older with little chance of a sustained playoff run is the worst of those bad outcomes. I don't think their trade value gets any better.
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Wonder what the market for Klay will look like. Could he get a late first from a contender? A young guy who could use a change of scenery? Or salary relief and some 2nds. I have no idea.
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(12-12-2025, 03:04 PM)Dirknows Wrote: Wonder what the market for Klay will look like. Could he get a late first from a contender? A young guy who could use a change of scenery? Or salary relief and some 2nds. I have no idea.
A couple of SRPs probably...
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(12-12-2025, 01:12 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am surprised they are moving slow hiring a GM. I get taking time, but I would think there would be more urgency. Is a permanent GM needed now? Time will tell. I would like one before a potential AD trade. If this trade was to happen now, it may really limit future moves. Especially if it was to Toronto. BTW, I am not a fan of that trade at all. I don't think a temporary GM team can or should make that trade. It is also concerning that Cuban and Kidd may have influence. Neither should have any imo.
I am hoping that they have already contacted the agent of our future GM (Presti preferably, but Lindsay or someone similar would be better than we've had in a decade or more) and settled on some basic level of interest and contract terms, but since they are currently under contract elsewhere it can't be publicly discussed it until their contract ends.
Let's will it to be so and with Presti.
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(12-12-2025, 03:52 PM)From Dirk to SCREW YOU Nico Wrote: I am hoping that they have already contacted the agent of our future GM (Presti preferably, but Lindsay or someone similar would be better than we've had in a decade or more) and settled on some basic level of interest and contract terms, but since they are currently under contract elsewhere it can't be publicly discussed it until their contract ends.
Let's will it to be so and with Presti.
Lets hope FGump is right(again). And its Presti. They would have to wait until the end of the season. Very end because OKC is probably winning the whole thing again.
Presti has the chance to do something really funny. He could know ahead of time he was taking the Mavs job at seasons end. So could Dumont, Cuban, etc. OKC could trade a boat load of their picks for AD or Gafford or whoever. Secure that 2nd championship while also giving the Mavs a better future with him at the top.
Its almost a way he could negotiate the AD trade for us, while also helping his current team.
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Sam Presti coming to be the GM of the Dallas Mavericks
yall are on some good shit lmao
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(12-12-2025, 04:40 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Sam Presti coming to be the GM of the Dallas Mavericks
yall are on some good shit lmao
If I can pick anyone I want, to be the GM, I would hire Presti. So why start anywhere else? I would pursue that outcome and figure out how to make it happen. Dumont has to open the checkbook to an absurd level? If there's a price that will make it happen, write the check.
Presti has years of experience - no learning curve here. He has gained all the skills - great at trades, great in the draft, great in contracts and managing the cap. Rather than hiring someone in hopes they can become really good in those areas, why not just hire the original, and be done with it? Other teams have been so bold in the past. Why not the Mavs?
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Watching Klay play lately, there needs to be several teams who like what they have seen. He has looked really good recently. He doesn't make a big contract but finding match without giving Dallas back a long contract plus an asset may be tricky. He can help a good team though. Mavs will probably send him to a team who he wants to go to too.
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(12-12-2025, 12:53 PM)Smitty Wrote: To elaborate more. Several teams try, and fail, to assemble a roster with 3 players of Davis, Irving, and Flagg's caliber. If you're the GM, why would you trade Davis for pennies on the dollar before you ever see it on the floor. Why would you make your team worse when there's no incentive to do so... Having no draft pick next year. It all needs to make sense. Fear of Davis getting severely injured isn't an acceptable reason for a terrible trade imo.
The Clippers constructed an even more talented roster (Kawhi, Harden, George, Westbrook) and couldn't get out of the first round and now are completely screwed. Most of those guys were roughly same age as Davis and Irving with similar injury concerns.
There is no incentive to be worse next year, but there is incentive to be better in the following years. Getting worse next season in order to get better the following seasons is a reasonable route to take even with the draft situation.
I don't think anybody is arguing to trade him for pennies on the dollar. I want them to trade him for his market value, whatever that is. There is a point where you decide his TDL market value is not worth trading him (I would say those ESPN trades fall in that category) and do what you can to build up his value for the offseason. But there are a lot of advantages to trading this season, it will likely improve their draft position, it will be easier to shed cap via expiring contracts and with a wide open East there might be a desperate team out there.
I don't have any interest building a team based around AD/Kyrie/Flagg for next season. I realize they don't have to extend AD, but if they plan on sticking with him I think there is a significant danger they will. It took them 6 seasons to build a competent team around Luka. I don't want it to take that long with Flagg (and I don't think building a team around a couple of injury prone aging stars approaching their mid 30s counts).
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(12-12-2025, 05:43 PM)F Gump Wrote: If I can pick anyone I want, to be the GM, I would hire Presti. So why start anywhere else? I would pursue that outcome and figure out how to make it happen. Dumont has to open the checkbook to an absurd level? If there's a price that will make it happen, write the check.
Presti has years of experience - no learning curve here. He has gained all the skills - great at trades, great in the draft, great in contracts and managing the cap. Rather than hiring someone in hopes they can become really good in those areas, why not just hire the original, and be done with it? Other teams have been so bold in the past. Why not the Mavs?
LOL
Why not the Mavs? Because OKC is looking like a dynasty and Presti has a boatload of picks to wheel and deal and continue to do his job for the next many years, a job he presumably loves. It's not like his team is on the downswing and the Mavs provide an exciting new opportunity.
It's hard to even put into words how much of a money grubbing whore you'd have to be to leave OKC for Dallas.
It doesn't hurt to check. I imagine that conversation lasts about 15 seconds.
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(12-13-2025, 12:28 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: LOL
Why not the Mavs? Because OKC is looking like a dynasty and Presti has a boatload of picks to wheel and deal and continue to do his job for the next many years, a job he presumably loves. It's not like his team is on the downswing and the Mavs provide an exciting new opportunity.
It's hard to even put into words how much of a money grubbing whore you'd have to be to leave OKC for Dallas.
It doesn't hurt to check. I imagine that conversation lasts about 15 seconds.
All it takes is an owner who thinks he is the reason for the season of success and it looks less like a whore-iffic decision to one of scorn and resentment...
O wait wrong Dallas board
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(12-13-2025, 12:28 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: LOL
Why not the Mavs? Because OKC is looking like a dynasty and Presti has a boatload of picks to wheel and deal and continue to do his job for the next many years, a job he presumably loves. It's not like his team is on the downswing and the Mavs provide an exciting new opportunity.
It's hard to even put into words how much of a money grubbing whore you'd have to be to leave OKC for Dallas.
It doesn't hurt to check. I imagine that conversation lasts about 15 seconds.
~shrug~ blah blah blah ... no disrespect meant to you personally, but the idea itself being expressed is so short-sighted.
It's easy to be so dismissive of anything that doesn't adhere to our own expectations. And then *bam* out of the blue one time it all goes the opposite way, when no one would have believed it might be possible. We have YEARS of NBA history that say something incredibly unexpected can happen.
So rather than assume the negative, I say pursue the best. And fwiw, as dismal as he was in managing Nico (I think he was fooled by Nico's self-praise), I think Dumont might have the chops to envision and navigate getting to the better outcome that people might not tend to consider.
Dumont - Go get Presti.
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Hmmm…
Shams Charania
Atlanta Hawks C/F Kristaps Porzingis (illness) will miss the next two weeks and undergo further evaluations, sources tell ESPN. Both sides are prioritizing the long term of the season for Porzingis, who has missed seven of the last eight games.
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(12-14-2025, 03:53 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Hmmm…
Shams Charania
Atlanta Hawks C/F Kristaps Porzingis (illness) will miss the next two weeks and undergo further evaluations, sources tell ESPN. Both sides are prioritizing the long term of the season for Porzingis, who has missed seven of the last eight games.
When he was in Boston, I remember hearing about him having long Covid? Or some similar sickness?
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12-14-2025, 04:09 PM
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(12-14-2025, 04:00 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: When he was in Boston, I remember hearing about him having long Covid? Or some similar sickness?
He was diagnosed with POTS - a disease that leads to exhaustion and dizziness.
However, he says his most recent health issue isn't related to POTS (although it is unclear what it is and remains undiagnosed).
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(12-13-2025, 02:27 PM)F Gump Wrote: ~shrug~ blah blah blah ...
It's easy to be so dismissive
LOL. FGump criticizing someone for being dismissive.
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12-14-2025, 05:10 PM
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(12-14-2025, 03:53 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Hmmm…
Shams Charania
Atlanta Hawks C/F Kristaps Porzingis (illness) will miss the next two weeks and undergo further evaluations, sources tell ESPN. Both sides are prioritizing the long term of the season for Porzingis, who has missed seven of the last eight games.
Which makes his value in trade basically nil. If anything negative. It also means ATL just became that much more desperate for a solution to their big man issues.
I wonder if this makes it easier for them to throw in the NOP pick swap in a potential AD trade.
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AD is still a top 12 player and top 3 center when healthy. If the Mavs deal him, odds are strongly against getting a player of similar ability whether through trade or through the draft. But even if they luck into a future star, that player will likely need years to develop.
Now consider the average number of games played for all players drafted in the lottery over the last 10 years:
Lottery picks 2016-2019: 59.6 games
Lottery picks: 2020-2024: 66.1 games
All lottery picks 2016-2024: 63.3 games
Lively year one, 55 games; year two, 36 games; year three, 7 games
Anthony Davis (career): 60.5 games
I watch sports to see teams compete and win. Some people want to make sports a drama. I'll leave the drama to the stage. This team looks competitive with Davis at center. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush.
If the Christie and Naji drafts were reordered, they'd both be top 20 picks. PJW was a lottery pick and would go higher.
This team has talent. Let's just get Kyrie back and see what they can do.
That said, if we're itching to do a deal and the team thinks AD, PJW, Powell and Cisse can handle the center minutes I could be talked into Gafford for Mathurin.
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(12-14-2025, 05:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Which makes his value in trade basically nil. If anything negative. It also means ATL just became that much more desperate for a solution to their big man issues.
I wonder if this makes it easier for them to throw in the NOP pick swap in a potential AD trade.
There is no way they can even sell the idea of KP being a positive in a trade. He is salary filler only now. So is Trae Young for that matter.
If they are unwilling to give up Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels (which they shouldn't) then i don't see a working Atlanta trade if they are unwilling to give up that Pelicans pick.
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