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[Winter]

It has to be relevant to the Kidd question that, according to every report, NY has not asked for permission to talk to Kidd. And DAL has expressed, per Stein, that they won't give NY permission to do so, if asked.

The speculation still swirls anyhow, but not sure what else the Mavs could, or should, do to put it to bed. If the Mavs aren't open to the idea, its 1000% dead no matter who else likes it.

Agree. What is the Mavs FO supposed to say publically if the Knicks never ask to begin with. 

"Just in case you guys ask about talking with our head coach, we won't let you?"

"and If you weren't going to ask, well.... never mind".

I don't think you make a public statement about a rumor. Actually not even a rumor. It's more like the knicks are sending a trial balloon.

[Jmaciscool]

Agree. What is the Mavs FO supposed to say publically if the Knicks never ask to begin with. 

"Just in case you guys ask about talking with our head coach, we won't let you?"

"and If you weren't going to ask, well.... never mind".

I don't think you make a public statement about a rumor.

I think that's what the Rockets did though, right? There was just a rumor the Knicks wanted their coach and they unequivocally said they would not permit it. The Mavs were not quite as emphatic which is why speculation continued.

[Winter]

I think that's what the Rockets did though, right? There was just a rumor the Knicks wanted their coach and they unequivocally said they would not permit it. The Mavs were not quite as emphatic which is why speculation continued.

I didn't hear that about Houston, but maybe that's an option. You may be right.

It does sound weird though... that an organization responds to something that hasn't been asked. I mean it was pretty strange for the Knicks to target two coaches under contract to begin with. And we do know the Knicks organization is pretty weird from all reports, and, by the same token, the Mavs are relatively new to this.

And I suspect if Kidd were actually interested, we would more likely hear a rumor on that possibility too. Silence is really deadly for our rumor-starved brains.

[Jmaciscool]

I didn't hear that about Houston, but maybe that's an option. You may be right.

It does sound weird though... that an organization responds to something that hasn't been asked. I mean it was pretty strange for the Knicks to target two coaches under contract to begin with. And we do know the Knicks organization is pretty weird from all reports, and, by the same token, the Mavs are relatively new to this.

And I suspect if Kidd were actually interested, we would more likely hear a rumor on that possibility too. Silence is really deadly for our rumor-starved brains.

Yeah, I think this all started with Stein saying NY was potentially interested in the Rockets coach and the Mavs coach, but the rockets had made it clear they would not permit NY to talk to him and that the Mavs probably wouldn't either (not the exact wording, but that was the gist iircl.)

It could definitely be a lot of nothing, but it does seem odd that with all the rumors floating the Mavs wouldn't also float a firmer denial. But you're right, they may not have the right level of experience for that.

[loki]

Kidd could have shut the speculation down immediately if he wasn't interested. At this point I think he either wants the Knicks job or is at least considering it. As others have mentioned, this would not be the first time he bailed on the Mavs.

[F Gump]

Kidd could have shut the speculation down immediately if he wasn't interested. At this point I think he either wants the Knicks job or is at least considering it. As others have mentioned, this would not be the first time he bailed on the Mavs.

I really disagree on this ^ thesis. 

I don't think Kidd (or ANY smart coach) -- nor any smart player, either -- should or would shut the door on teams who are interested in their services. Players and coaches alike are always one impulsive (maybe even stupid) management decision away from looking for their next job, and are smart to let interested people remain interested. No need to comment, just let it sit out there without commenting, because the fact that teams are interested in you is in your best interest for every team to know. Kidd has had to look for a new job before and has learned how it works. So we should not expect him to shut it down when it happens, to work against his own self interest.

In addition, Kidd can't actually speak to NY's interest (or his own) when there hasn't even been a public expression of interest by NY, nor a formal request to talk to him. 

At its core, this was actually a NY attempt to tamper via the media. Then that NY media swirled the waters, with it being further stirred by the usual like Windy who are long on comments and short on actual info beyond their own opinions on what makes sense. They will keep it alive until NY finds a coach not named Kidd.

If the Mavs GM had a clue on handling such things (sadly, he does not), he would gotten out in front of it, by either lodging a tampering complaint, or engaging NY aggressively in trade talks. His pathetically late and tepid response has done neither -- yet another blunder by the idiot GM making their decisions. If I'm a Mavs player, the continuous lack of effective FO leadership is unsettling.

Which is yet another reminder -- Nico's gotta go.

[omahen]

It has to be relevant to the Kidd question that, according to every report, NY has not asked for permission to talk to Kidd. And DAL has expressed, per Stein, that they won't give NY permission to do so, if asked.

The speculation still swirls anyhow, but not sure what else the Mavs could, or should, do to put it to bed. If the Mavs aren't open to the idea, its 1000% dead no matter who else likes it.

Stein actually (in his latest piece from yesterday) said that Mavs, neither formally or informally, didn't shut down the idea. Unlike Houston with Udoka. Seems like everyone is still feeling the situation and how to procceed.

[omahen]

I think Kidd matter is not easy and needs to be taken with caution, that is why we see a lot of negotiations through media. I think there is at least a certain level of mutual interest between Kidd and NY, otherwise it would be shut down quickly. It remains unclear, how much interest there really is. Is it just at a level of intrigue from Kidd or he is dead set on moving to NY. There are some indications (rumor that he was not happy with his role after the Luka trade), that not everything is great in Dallas. Perhaps this is all just posturing to force a new extension, perhaps this is pressure for Mavs FO to move him, difficult to say. While Kidd does have a contract with Mavs, people are not robots and there is not much benefit in having a coach that would rather be somewhere else. Mavs not immediately shutting down any willingness to move on is also indicative (as Stein said - Houston reacted much different when Udoka was mentioned in same rumors).

So I guess all sides will continue to feel the terrain and perhaps things will allign and Kidd will move. Or perhaps this will be just a driver for Mavs guys to sort things out between themselves as it looks like that Luka trade and how it was handled afterwards did leave consequences in their relationships. Mavs have a very nice foundation and Cooper Flagg. Stein says Kidd and his family are happy in Dallas (as a city) and very settled in. And despite all of this, Kidd seems to be willing to move to NY. Or is at least willing to consider it.

I find it interesting that NY went after coaches that are under contract, while there are several big names or up and coming new guys available. Is this really related to Giannis? That getting a right coach to NY would make Giannis request a trade? I find it unlikely, how NY could go after him, even if he does. Or is this just NY turning every stone and inserting some drama on competition?

[david75090]

I think it's a writer throwing around ideas, in his column, trying to stir interest, maybe by saying there's interest. Next thing we know, there's talk. It's the off-season. People talk.

[F Gump]

Stein actually (in his latest piece from yesterday) said that Mavs, neither formally or informally, didn't shut down the idea. Unlike Houston with Udoka. Seems like everyone is still feeling the situation and how to procceed.

Are you citing this note, or a later one?
"I've heard from a few well-placed observers this week who believe that the Mavericks would ultimately do just that — just as the Rockets have made it clear they plan to do if the Knicks indeed tried to pursue Ime Udoka."

If Stein changed his note, the waffling is weird. (So is Mavs FO these days, of course.) Both are non-reports, of course, but Stein using the euphemism "well-placed observers" is one that very often is citing team officials who just don't want to be quoted or named.

[khaled1987]

BTW, Donnie probably had to go.  It was time.  He had some duds.  But on his resume, he can list Dirk, Luka, Brunson, and supposedly pushing for Giannis.  Not bad.  I wonder if he is done in the NBA or if he would ever want to get back into the grind.  I would think some fanbases would overlook his mistakes if you could list those four names above.

Donnie got Nash and Dirk on draft night in 1998 and 20 years later got Brunson and Luka. Along some other moves like J.Howard, D/Harris, Barea etc.

He was far from a terrible GM, a good one actually but one that still make you want better. 

I think he would be perfect somewhere as a "consultant" the same way Dennis Lindsey was for Nico

[Chicagojk]

Mavs had their workouts yesterday with players looking to stay in the league. I believe the 16th Flagg comes to Dallas. Dallas needs to clean everything up ASAP.

I still think Dumont needs to be evaluating Nico on how he wades these waters if something is going on. Is he buttomed up or are things being missed. If Kidd wants to go, Dumont needs to be the one negotiating. Don't leave it to Nico to do right by his buddy. If Kidd were to leave, I think that opens up a lot more questions. It is late in the game to be making front office changes having the #1 pick.

[omahen]

Are you citing this note, or a later one?
"I've heard from a few well-placed observers this week who believe that the Mavericks would ultimately do just that — just as the Rockets have made it clear they plan to do if the Knicks indeed tried to pursue Ime Udoka."

If Stein changed his note, the waffling is weird. (So is Mavs FO these days, of course.) Both are non-reports, of course, but Stein using the euphemism "well-placed observers" is one that very often is citing team officials who just don't want to be quoted or named.

Stein had several thoughts/information in this same article (his latest, yesterday evening Europe time):
- There is a belief among some within the Mavericks' organization that the Knicks will ultimately decide against taking the step of asking.
- I have likewise heard from a few well-placed skeptics who believe that the Knicks would be immediately shot down if they do ask.
- What can turn the volume down on that noise? The Mavericks could let it be known firmly, on or off the record, that Kidd is not available to any other team since he is under contract for the next two seasons. (Like we learned with the Rockets and their don't-even-try-it stance with Udoka in this story I published last Tuesday.)

I was reffering to the last item I listed above. Houston immediately shut down the option to consider allowing Udoka to interview for Knicks. Mavs didn't do that, just some unofficial vague beliefs.

[Winter]

From Hoopsworld:

"Speaking of Flagg, the projected No. 1 overall pick is scheduled to visit Dallas next Tuesday. Stein suggests that the Mavericks likely won’t want Kidd’s future with the Mavs to still be an open question at that point, so resolution one way or the other should come within the next week."

[DanSchwartzgan]

Stein had several thoughts/information in this same article (his latest, yesterday evening Europe time):
- There is a belief among some within the Mavericks' organization that the Knicks will ultimately decide against taking the step of asking.
- I have likewise heard from a few well-placed skeptics who believe that the Knicks would be immediately shot down if they do ask.
- What can turn the volume down on that noise? The Mavericks could let it be known firmly, on or off the record, that Kidd is not available to any other team since he is under contract for the next two seasons. (Like we learned with the Rockets and their don't-even-try-it stance with Udoka in this story I published last Tuesday.)

I was reffering to the last item I listed above. Houston immediately shut down the option to consider allowing Udoka to interview for Knicks. Mavs didn't do that, just some unofficial vague beliefs.

I think the possible interest is Giannis related.  Everyone is looking for a leg up.  Kidd as coach is perceived to be a benefit to NY.  Atlanta is holding open their President of Basketball Operations position and GA's agent is a leading candidate.  Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes.

BTW, I wonder if any of the Giannis losers might get aggressive in an offer for AD.  It won't happen, but if one wants to dream, it seems like fertile ground for finding a possible deal.

[Chicagojk]

Whether anything happens or not, move quick.

https://x.com/getupespn/status/1932444727787348202?s=46

[Chicagojk]

Man, if Kidd leaves, Nico can't be far behind right? i mean he should be gone. Sort of late to make a move now, but it needs to be considered. Dumont has a chance to do a complete reset whether they keep AD or not. Get rid of Nico and it is all parades for the next several years. The Luka trade gets pinned on Nico and the new GM can focus buidling the next contender. He will have a open runway for a few years and it would be a fun spot to be in. Where we are currently is the GM is afraid to speak/show himself, and I have no idea how that gets better. Every time you see him, it creates a negative reaction of the guy who broke the fan trust and traded their adopted son. Does that ever get better?

[FireNicoHarrison]

Whether anything happens or not, move quick.

https://x.com/getupespn/status/1932444727787348202?s=46

Goodbye Jason, we will not miss you.

[Chicagojk]

Man, if Kidd leaves, Nico can't be far behind right?  i mean he should be gone.  Sort of late to make a move now, but it needs to be considered.  Dumont has a chance to do a complete reset whether they keep AD or not.  Get rid of Nico and it is all parades for the next several years.  The Luka trade gets pinned on Nico and the new GM can focus buidling the next contender.  He will have a open runway for a few years and it would be a fun spot to be in.  Where we are currently is the GM is afraid to speak/show himself, and I have no idea how that gets better.  Every time you see him, it creates a negative reaction of the guy who broke the fan trust and traded their adopted son.  Does that ever get better?

Maybe he is genuially intrigued by the Knicks opening, but if he leaves dallas it is because of one of these issues right?

Either he has lost faith in a 20 plus year friend and a package deal to Dallas after the trade and the handling after the trade.   If this is true, it speaks volumes to Nico that one of his closest people he knows in sports is getting out of town.

Or

behind the scenes on Dallas, Nico is on a really short leash and Kidd sees the writing on the wall.  If this is true, why in the world would you let Nico find the Kidd replacement?

I think if either of these are true, Nico is fighting or his job.  If Kidd leaves, a new team is brought in.  We will see how Dumont operates.   I mean it is basic business 101.  It is a clear opportunity to start fresh and have a party atmosphere with the franchise again for the next year.   Break out the brinks to bring in a top tier exec.

[loki]

I really disagree on this ^ thesis. 

I don't think Kidd (or ANY smart coach) -- nor any smart player, either -- should or would shut the door on teams who are interested in their services. Players and coaches alike are always one impulsive (maybe even stupid) management decision away from looking for their next job, and are smart to let interested people remain interested. No need to comment, just let it sit out there without commenting, because the fact that teams are interested in you is in your best interest for every team to know. Kidd has had to look for a new job before and has learned how it works. So we should not expect him to shut it down when it happens, to work against his own self interest.

In addition, Kidd can't actually speak to NY's interest (or his own) when there hasn't even been a public expression of interest by NY, nor a formal request to talk to him. 

At its core, this was actually a NY attempt to tamper via the media. Then that NY media swirled the waters, with it being further stirred by the usual like Windy who are long on comments and short on actual info beyond their own opinions on what makes sense. They will keep it alive until NY finds a coach not named Kidd.

If the Mavs GM had a clue on handling such things (sadly, he does not), he would gotten out in front of it, by either lodging a tampering complaint, or engaging NY aggressively in trade talks. His pathetically late and tepid response has done neither -- yet another blunder by the idiot GM making their decisions. If I'm a Mavs player, the continuous lack of effective FO leadership is unsettling.

Which is yet another reminder -- Nico's gotta go.

Maybe Kidd is taking that approach, but I think that hurts the organization. The Mavs are about to bring their future #1 pick in for another visit. They're trying to hire assistant coaches. They need to re-sign Kyrie when he opts out. They'll also be looking at the free agent market trying to bring in guard help. 

Having a coach who is unwilling to say he's committed to staying with the team is a terrible look that isn't going to help them with any of the above. It would be pretty disappointing if Kidd is letting that happen because he wants the attention. All he has to do is send one text so Stein can report sources say Kidd is staying in Dallas.

The Mavs front office could be more forceful about it publicly, but it doesn't achieve anything if Kidd walks into Nico's office and says he wants to talk to the Knicks.