Pelicans Fire David Griffin… Hire Joe Dumars

[SleepingHero]

Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania)

The New Orleans Pelicans have fired executive vice president David Griffin, sources tell ESPN. After six seasons, the franchise will have a new head of basketball operations.

[omahen]

They had a ton of patience with him. He was "forced" to take Zion with #1 pick due to immense hype around him. However, their roster building beyond Zion was suspect at best. A bunch of questionable moves, no clear direction for the team.

I guess new guy will trade Zion and start fresh. Herb Jones might be the biggest asset on this team.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

Well...they spared Willie Green at least for now..

[Chicagojk]

I wonder if he gets another shot. I think he is good with the pr/networking side of the job.

I think this was past due though. His roster construction left a lot to be desired.

Although the injures certainly helped make things not work out.

He was great/really good drafting and finding talent.

Mavs don’t really need a backup guard but I like
Alvarado. While limited, I think he can play on a contender and be a a
Positive impact. Heck I like a lot of their players.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1911839611900575942


It's widely expected that Louisiana native, Hall of Famer and Detroit GM, Joe Dumars is the front runner for the job.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

I wonder if he gets another shot.  I think he is good with the pr/networking side of the job.

I think this was past due though.  His roster construction left a lot to be desired.

Although the injures certainly helped make things not work out.

He was great/really good drafting and finding talent.

Mavs don’t really need a backup guard but I like
Alvarado. While limited, I think he can play on a contender and be a a
Positive impact.  Heck I like a lot of their players.

Especially Trey Murphy and Herb Jones. Long, athletic wings.

[Chicagojk]

Especially Trey Murphy and Herb Jones. Long, athletic wings.

Yep, I really like Jordan Hawkins too.  Looking at their roster, I guess I don’t love it as much as I thought I did.  A high pick may change that some.

Trades were also a big negative.  The Daniels trade (one I was on the right side of) was awful.  Really can’t remember who they traded McCollum for.  He is a good player, but with his salary and fit that move was always going to be questionable.  Super flawed player.  I was thinking he would be decent in Dallas but I just wouldn’t touch him at that salary.

[RGP1981]

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It's widely expected that Louisiana native, Hall of Famer and Detroit GM, Joe Dumars is the front runner for the job.

So the Pels are going from the frying pan into the fire? Lol. 

[SleepingHero]

They had a ton of patience with him. He was "forced" to take Zion with #1 pick due to immense hype around him. However, their roster building beyond Zion was suspect at best. A bunch of questionable moves, no clear direction for the team.

I guess new guy will trade Zion and start fresh. Herb Jones might be the biggest asset on this team.

It's weird because I don't think Griffin did a bad job per-se. He made some savvy trades. The roster he built (before detonating everything for Murray) made a lot of sense to me.

But they literally were just never healthy.

[omahen]

It's weird because I don't think Griffin did a bad job per-se. He made some savvy trades. The roster he built (before detonating everything for Murray) made a lot of sense to me.

But they literally were just never healthy.

I think drafting well was the only thing they did well. Their top of rotation was full of bad defenders (McCollum, Ingram, Zion, Valanciunas) and full of bad or low volume three point shooters. Even if they would remain healthy, that team would not be competitive, imho.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

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Looks like Zion may also be on the trading block.

[omahen]

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Looks like Zion may also be on the trading block.

I wonder who will take that risk. It doesn't seem reasonable to expect to get a lot of games from him in any season. Besides, he is a very specific player. So how do you build a team with all those limitations?

Do we see contenders or contenders wannabe making a desperate move or is it more likely a bad team desperate for some positive turn of events takes the bite?

[SleepingHero]

@ShamsCharania
Hall of Famer Joe Dumars is finalizing a deal to become the new president of basketball operations of the New Orleans Pelicans, sources tell ESPN. Dumars was president of the Pistons from 2000-14, building the 2004 Detroit championship team. Now returns home to Louisiana.

[cow]

I wonder who will take that risk. It doesn't seem reasonable to expect to get a lot of games from him in any season. Besides, he is a very specific player. So how do you build a team with all those limitations?

Do we see contenders or contenders wannabe making a desperate move or is it more likely a bad team desperate for some positive turn of events takes the bite?

Leaking the mandated trade sure is going to do wonders for his value.

Now I'll play a game in my head of who I would rather have:  Zion or AD.  Probably AD as Zion's upside will almost certainly never be reached, but it's a closer race than it should be.

[RGP1981]

The Pelicans sure are dumb. Hiring Dumars is a bad move.

At least they are finally moving in the right direction when it comes to trading Zion though. They should have done that 2-3-4 years ago. Keeping and building around him has resulted in killing off any chances they could have had to build a title contender.

Anyway, I think they should try trading Zion to the Nets. Perhaps, ask for Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson in return.

- Dejounte, TM3/Hawkins, Herb/TM3, Johnson, Claxton

This seems like a team who could at least get to the playoffs and make some noise, since they aren't going to be winning titles.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

The Pelicans sure are dumb. Hiring Dumars is a bad move.

At least they are finally moving in the right direction when it comes to trading Zion though. They should have done that 2-3-4 years ago. Keeping and building around him has resulted in killing off any chances they could have had to build a title contender.

Anyway, I think they should try trading Zion to the Nets. Perhaps, ask for Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson in return.

- Dejounte, TM3/Hawkins, Herb/TM3, Johnson, Claxton

This seems like a team who could at least get to the playoffs and make some noise, since they aren't going to be winning titles.

How's it dumb hiring a guy that built a championship team although it was a while back? What did David Griffin win in 6 yrs?  Now whether he can build NO into something remains to be seen, but his resume is there.

[RGP1981]

How's it dumb hiring a guy that built a championship team although it was a while back? What did David Griffin win in 6 yrs?  Now whether he can build NO into something remains to be seen, but his resume is there.

I think Griffin messed up too.

Anyway, to answer your question, this was the Piston's record in the Leastern conference, during the last 5 years of Joe Dumars' tenure as POBO.

2009-10: 27 won, 55 lost, 32.9% win-rate
2010-11: 30 won, 52 lost, 36.6% win-rate
2011-12: 25 won, 41 lost, 37.9% win-rate
2012-13: 29 won, 53 lost, 35.4% win-rate
2013-14: 29 won, 53 lost, 35.4% win-rate

After 2014, he had to step down and has not been a POBO since then.

Is there really nobody else in the world to do this job, than a 61 year old, who is being hired 10 years after he last had the role, and I think it's fair to say that he sucked at it when he last had it?

Someone is getting free Pelicans' money, lol.

[Chicagojk]

I think Griffin messed up too.

Anyway, to answer your question, this was the Piston's record in the Leastern conference, during the last 5 years of Joe Dumars' tenure as POBO.

2009-10: 27 won, 55 lost, 32.9% win-rate
2010-11: 30 won, 52 lost, 36.6% win-rate
2011-12: 25 won, 41 lost, 37.9% win-rate
2012-13: 29 won, 53 lost, 35.4% win-rate
2013-14: 29 won, 53 lost, 35.4% win-rate

After 2014, he had to step down and has not been a POBO since then.

Is there really nobody else in the world to do this job, than a 61 year old, who is being hired 10 years after he last had the role, and I think it's fair to say that he sucked at it when he last had it?

Someone is getting free Pelicans' money, lol.

Yeah I don’t think Detroit had fond memories of his run.  I can’t remember how much impact he had with their championship run.  Was the pieces already there?  If not, he may have made some really good moves with his first few moves.  I believe after this initial success he had very little success.

I believe he was in the nba offfices for a while.  The pelicans ownership is a mess though.  I am not sure New Orleans should even have a team.  I don’t think the owners a very rich either, I don’t believe.  I know one thing who would ever hire some of their training staff?  Now that would be a screwed up organization.  Ha ha

[HoosierDaddyKid]

Yeah I don’t think Detroit had fond memories of his run.  I can’t remember how much impact he had with their championship run.  Was the pieces already there?  If not, he may have made some really good moves with his first few moves.  I believe after this initial success he had very little success.

I believe he was in the nba offfices for a while.  The pelicans ownership is a mess though.  I am not sure New Orleans should even have a team.  I don’t think the owners a very rich either, I don’t believe.  I know one thing who would ever hire some of their training staff?  Now that would be a screwed up organization.  Ha ha

Well yeah, it ended after he broke up the team, ala Mark Cuban. He traded Chauncey Billups who was the heartbeat of that team, for a washed Allen Iverson. He let Ben Wallace, and Rip Hamilton leave for Cleveland and Chicago respectively. Rasheed Wallace went to the Knicks, then Boston. So what's there to expect? He had a run of six straight ECF's which hadn't been done since the Celtics in the 60's. They actually had a chance to win back to back when they lost to the Spurs in 05 in 7 games. But I digress that was a long time ago. He may not be up to the task at 61 years old, but we'll see.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

Willie Green isn't considered safe, and neither is Zion.

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