Trade & FA 2024-25:

[Mavs2021]

I hope our new owners’ egos never get in the way of good basketball decisions.

Yeah Mark like signing a washed up has been twice.

[DallasMaverick]

Yeah Mark like signing a washed up has been twice.

Maybe the argument should be: “Hey, Mark. You made a bad decision.”

Instead of: “Hey, Mark. You didn’t have a big enough ego.”

[Mavs2021]

Maybe the argument should be: “Hey, Mark. You made a bad decision.”

Instead of: “Hey, Mark. You didn’t have a big enough ego.”

No the argument is that a front office needs to portray strength in the market, too. You don´t get strung along by nothing talent like DAJ or Kuzma. 

You want to play here? 
No? Good. Bye.

[DallasMaverick]

No the argument is that a front office needs to portray strength in the market, too. You don´t get strung along by nothing talent like DAJ or Kuzma. 

You want to play here? 
No? Good. Bye.

People's emotions come and go.  Stuff gets spewed in the heat of the moment.

It's amazing how a paycheck, a defined role, and winning can change people's attitudes.

BTW, I'm not in any way arguing in favor of Kuzma. I don't think he fits, and it seems like his opinion of himself is too high.

But the basis for the decision isn't that my pride is wounded.

[SleepingHero]

I hope our new owners have more pride than Cuban.

The rumor very clearly states that the Mavs have zero interest in revisiting Kuzma. I don't think we have anything to worry about. And that's before trying to figure out any trade because his contract is just too big for the Mavs to realistically trade for.

[SleepingHero]

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
The Hawks say Larry Nance Jr. has sustained a fractured fourth metacarpal bone in his right hand and will require surgery Thursday to repair the fracture.

[SleepingHero]

The ability to match matters most when a player is max-worthy, or close to it. But with an MLE player like him, what do you do if some team offers him way more than you feel he's worth? Do you match and end up with a bad, cap-clogging contract? And what he THINKS he is worth will tend to factor into the picture too. So an accurate player evaluation is huge. (But it also helps if few teams will have cap room for over-MLE offers.)

To me, Grimes is a lot like Josh Green was. Sometimes, he looks like he can be a good player. Other times, he spares it up and it feels like his ceiling is "limited minutes backup." In theory, you want to keep him no matter what because you need talent, but it's going to be real easy to end up with a bad contract you regret.

I know it's been a couple of days but I finally have the chance to properly respond. 

I think the ability to match matters most when a team is just trying to retain the player, regardless whether or not they are max-worthy. We saw that with Portland regarding Thybulle, who no matter how you look at it, did not need to retain, but wanted to because they didn't want to lose him for nothing. And that's even with the Mavs overpaying. 

Likewise, even if some team decided they wanted to throw Grimes an above market value contract, that choice in and of itself is risky as heck given the limitations teams have in roster construction now. A 5mil overpay for a player could mean the difference between being under or over an Apron. For that alone I find it unlikely for a team to try and money-whip Grimes. 

And even if they did, I don't see a world where the Mavs don't match. Because Grimes has shown to be one of our best rotation players. You compare him to Josh Green which I think is a massive undersell given that Grimes has already shown to be a better scorer than Green ever was. Grimes has 4 20+pt games in 30 games with the Mavs while Green only had 9 in 223 with the Mavs. Defensively they are both great defenders but Grimes is definitely been the better on-ball pest. Others have already said it but in 2-3 years, I think Grimes is the prime replacement for Klay down the road and him on an MLE (or even above) contract is more than worth it.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

I know Ayton is fools gold, but he was really good last night.  The Hawks have really done a nice job.  They looked like a team going nowhere but now suddenly at least have a positive future with a lot of young talent.  So how about Ayton to ATL for Capela and Okongwu?

ATL gets a known center still in his 20's.  Portland gets an expiring in Capela and a young center who matches their core in age.

That makes a lot of sense.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6029076...ie-irving/


Herb Jones an option?

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6029076...ie-irving/


Herb Jones an option?

Can’t access. What does it say?

[Chicagojk]

Can’t access. What does it say?

Not much.  Mavs don’t have assets for Jones even if NO wanted to move him imo.
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The Mavericks have contemplated trying to add an impact perimeter defender before the Feb. 6 trade deadline, front-office sources on rival teams told The Athletic. The New Orleans Pelicans’ Herb Jones, who last season was the only non-center to make the NBA’s All-Defensive First Team, is one player who fits that description. But there is little belief in NBA circles that the Pelicans will actually move him.
If the Mavericks don’t make a trade, the responsibility of slowing down Gilgeous-Alexander in a potential playoff rematch would go to a combination of Washington, Marshall and Grimes.
“I feel like I can guard anybody,” Washington said. “I feel like I’m comfortable guarding smalls, bigs. It doesn’t really matter.”

[SleepingHero]

@TheDunkCentral
Herb Jones is a potential trade target for the Dallas Mavericks, per @cclark_13


“The Mavericks have contemplated trying to add an impact perimeter defender before the Feb. 6 trade deadline, front-office sources on rival teams told The Athletic. The New Orleans Pelicans’ Herb Jones, who last season was the only non-center to make the NBA’s All-Defensive First Team, is one player who fits that description. But there is little belief in NBA circles that the Pelicans will actually move him.”

[SleepingHero]

Not much.  Mavs don’t have assets for Jones even if NO wanted to move him imo.
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What are the needed assets for a high quality defender? Herb is probably a top 3 perimeter defender in the league, but is a pretty bad scorer and inconsistent 3pt shooter. He is basically a souped-up version of DFS with a much worse 3-ball. 

The closest comparison in terms of a deal has to be what OKC just traded for Caruso for. It was a straight 1 for 1 swap with no picks. Now Herb is younger, but Caruso is probably the closest value wise we can peg as a comparison for Herb. And Chicago tried for 2 years to get multiple firsts for Caruso with no one biting.

Maybe Herb is going to be a bit cheaper than you think. Giddey’s value at the time of that trade is pretty close to Hardy+Gafford+ 1 FRP.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

If Kleber, Hardy, and a 1st were enough, I imagine it’d be done already.


Gafford being in the deal doesn’t make sense for either side. I guess the Pelicans could route him somewhere else to get more value in the trade.

[SleepingHero]

If Kleber, Hardy, and a 1st were enough, I imagine it’d be done already.

Deadlines also make deals. Perhaps the Pelicans are holding out for a better deal. Perhaps they want Gafford instead of Kleber. Perhaps the Mavs are trying to find a 3rd team with guys the Pelicans like more.

Lots of reasons why there is a holdup. What is interesting is that the rumor came from OTHER front offices, not from the Mavs or the Pelicans. Which makes me think they are trying to tie this deal into a potential Ingram blockbuster where the Mavs provide the picks and take on Herb for their troubles.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I just don’t see Dallas taking the risk of moving Gafford when Lively is constantly missing games with various ailments.

I do think Herb Jones would be a more valuable player but it’s creating one hole to fix another. If they trade Gafford, they need to find another big man.

Combine that with the Pelicans like Yves Missi and not having much use for Gafford.

[KillerLeft]

I hope our new owners’ egos never get in the way of good basketball decisions.

I hope there isn't anyone I know who's stupid enough to confuse acquiring Kuzma for a "good basketball decision."

...because I'm having trouble coming up with a worse one off the top of my head. I might prefer to play 4 on 5.

[DL2RimRocker]

I just don’t see Dallas taking the risk of moving Gafford when Lively is constantly missing games with various ailments.

I do think Herb Jones would be a more valuable player but it’s creating one hole to fix another. If they trade Gafford, they need to find another big man.

Combine that with the Pelicans like Yves Missi and not having much use for Gafford.

If there is a chance to acquire Jones and the biggest piece going out is Gaff, then I think the Mavs need to do it. 
Backup centers are a dime a dozen but elite wing defenders who can guard multiple positions are rare.

I'm not so sure Mavs couldnt go small ball for long stints if needed with Jones and PJ in the lineup.

That is a risk the Mavs should take imo.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Not much.  Mavs don’t have assets for Jones even if NO wanted to move him imo.
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The Mavericks have contemplated trying to add an impact perimeter defender before the Feb. 6 trade deadline, front-office sources on rival teams told The Athletic. The New Orleans Pelicans’ Herb Jones, who last season was the only non-center to make the NBA’s All-Defensive First Team, is one player who fits that description. But there is little belief in NBA circles that the Pelicans will actually move him.
If the Mavericks don’t make a trade, the responsibility of slowing down Gilgeous-Alexander in a potential playoff rematch would go to a combination of Washington, Marshall and Grimes.
“I feel like I can guard anybody,” Washington said. “I feel like I’m comfortable guarding smalls, bigs. It doesn’t really matter.”

What a garbage article.  They talk about Herb Jones as an option, then say he probably isn't available lol.  Literally a bunch of words without any meaning.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

What a garbage article.  They talk about Herb Jones as an option, then say he probably isn't available lol.  Literally a bunch of words without any meaning.

I know. I have to believe there is no way N.O. trades Herb Jones or Trey Murphy unless it's a slam dunk trade.