Trade & FA 2024-25:

[Tyler]

I guess I'm the only that's never heard of Josh Mazur before.

not that I have any reason to doubt DJJ is returning.

I've followed him for a while. I believe he has Mavs press credentials, and can confirm that he's not a clickbait artist.

[ThisIStheYear]

Wiggins had a terrible year last year by all accounts. When you take a closer look at their lineup data it suggests he was a better fit than Klay. If you’re building around Steph the best players were Draymond, Podz and Kuminga. Wiggins was positive but Klay had a negative rating with Steph.

The offensive rating stays roughly the same, but the defensive rating jumps to 117 with Klay out there.

Why would Luka and Klay work when Steph and Klay did not work?

The evidence shows that Wiggins was better. The eye test showed that both players are bad

This is all just a bad dream and we’re doing this to help Klay get paid or something as a favor so we have to make  it look real by using Stein

Yes. He’s a non factor on defense now and doesn’t create his own shot. He doesn’t need to play with just Luka. It’s Luka, Kyrie, and Klay.  No way that can work. The Warriors know. They’d be happy to get a young, cheap, athletic player. Klay isn’t a missing piece. He’s a step backwards.

[audiosway]

If GSW gave us a few FRPs for Wiggins, wouldn't that be a better fit than Klay?  The good thing about Wiggins is that he's hardly played since the championship season.  Lot's of tread left on that tire.

No. Wiggins and Klay are two totally different players. Klay is better than Wiggins still even at this point. Klay is only a year and a half removed from having a 54 point game shooting 10-21 from 3. His defense is still very good. He's not elite anymore in that but still very good. And there is no one more deadly coming off a pin down screen.

[loki]

Do we think that's a likelihood? 

I'm still in the optimistic camp that these Dallas decision makers know that what DJJ gave them defensively was a key part of the puzzle. Why else would they be poised to offer him a big chunk of the MLE, if not the whole thing? You don't do that if you're not intending to play him a lot next year. 

I think with Thompson, they're essentially trying to replace Hardaway with someone they think they can actually play. If they're wrong, they're wrong, but some of the contract options being discussed are movable if it doesn't work, imo.

If you can limit Luka's minutes to something reasonable I think he would. Look at the difference in his defense this year vs the 22 WCF run. He was healthy in 22, but still getting routinely targeted. This year he was hobbled but still competing and holding his own pretty consistently. It seems to me that he now understands what level of effort is necessary. And I have to imagine there were conversations with Luka/Kyrie before deciding to pursue Klay to make sure they were bought in.

As far as Klay, they must have some level of confidence that they can manage his ego and still run out more defensive-minded lineups when necessary. I agree they haven't forgotten the importance of DJJ's defense. They're just trying to give Kidd all the weapons they can and trusting him to find the right mix of lineups.

[KillerLeft]

I guess I'm the only that's never heard of Josh Mazur before.

not that I have any reason to doubt DJJ is returning.

Obviously nowhere near Stein, but also a better follow than Lauren Gunn or Dalton Trigg, for reference.

[Tyler]

tim cato (@tim_cato)
for the first time, there's now doubt that Derrick Jones Jr. returns to Dallas, league sources tell me. here's the rundown on the complicated situation stemming from his decision to change agencies: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/live-bl...zEHTcxo0s/

[KillerLeft]

tim cato (@tim_cato)
for the first time, there's now doubt that Derrick Jones Jr. returns to Dallas, league sources tell me. here's the rundown on the complicated situation stemming from his decision to change agencies: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/live-bl...zEHTcxo0s/

Gonna need a summary of this one, bruhs.

[omahen]

So if Mavs would have to wait for a week for DJJ (which I find really strange). Do they wait or do they sign someone else before the market dries up?

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

link not working for me Tyler

[omahen]

Gonna need a summary of this one, bruhs.

In simplest terms, if I understood correctly. Jones changed agent and there is supposed to be a time between the change before the new agent is allowed to represent him. That time is up on Sunday, basically meaning DJJ can't negotiate a deal before than

[Tyler]

https://archive.ph/GuJue

[speedkilz88]

tim cato (@tim_cato)
for the first time, there's now doubt that Derrick Jones Jr. returns to Dallas, league sources tell me. here's the rundown on the complicated situation stemming from his decision to change agencies: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/live-bl...zEHTcxo0s/

That article if you want to call it that basically says nothing other than there is a 15 day wait because of the agent change.  Nothing from the mavs that this will change anything.

[omahen]

In practical terms, I am not really sure they need to be so bureaucratic about this. They do a below the table agreement on the new deal and announce it on Sunday.

[Tyler]

Stein with the rebuttal to Cato:

Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
There is optimism in Dallas that Derrick Jones Jr. will be re-signed even if the Mavericks win the Klay Thompson Sweepstakes, league sources say, with Quentin Grimes poised to replace Josh Green if Green must be dealt away for Thompson.

[KillerLeft]

That article if you want to call it that basically says nothing other than there is a 15 day wait because of the agent change.  Nothing from the mavs that this will change anything.

Ok, so it's an interesting procedural nugget (which would explain why nothing is leaking about Jones, actually) with a horrible, click-bait headline?

Gotcha.

[Deebo]

Dumb article. How does that mean he won’t come back. He can negotiate with any team. Why he. Changed agents anyway. Boneheaded move this late

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

No. Wiggins and Klay are two totally different players. Klay is better than Wiggins still even at this point. Klay is only a year and a half removed from having a 54 point game shooting 10-21 from 3. His defense is still very good. He's not elite anymore in that but still very good. And there is no one more deadly coming off a pin down screen.

That's my point.  They are two very different players.  IMO, all things equal, Wiggins is a much better fit.  We need a starting SF/PF with DJJ backing him up.  I think DJJ would start over Klay, with Klay being the 6th man.  I'm all about getting Klay, but not near the money he wants.  Dude still thinks he's an allstar.  

Wiggins is only 108 games removed from being the second best player on a championship team, as a SF/PF.

[Tyler]

Dumb article.  How does that mean he won’t come back.  He can negotiate with any team.  Why he. Changed agents anyway.  Boneheaded move this late

Yeah, the entire Cato premise is that the delay in the new agent taking over prevents DJJ from signing. But it doesn't prevent him from committing. There's enough trust between Dallas and DJJ that I can't see that being a stumbling block.

[Smitty]

Yeah, the entire Cato premise is that the delay in the new agent taking over prevents DJJ from signing. But it doesn't prevent him from committing. There's enough trust between Dallas and DJJ that I can't see that being a stumbling block.

Feels to me like the deal is done. But nothing can be done because that’s against the rules and everyone follows the rules.

I think the Green for Klay SnT is done. 
I think DJJ for MLEish is done. 
Now on to who the Mavs target for BAE.

[HoosierDaddyKidd]

No. Wiggins and Klay are two totally different players. Klay is better than Wiggins still even at this point. Klay is only a year and a half removed from having a 54 point game shooting 10-21 from 3. His defense is still very good. He's not elite anymore in that but still very good. And there is no one more deadly coming off a pin down screen.

I'll give Wiggins a pass for this past year, because he had a lot of real family issues going on, that's why he missed so much time. I heard his Dad was real sick.  That would stress out anyone. I still think he can bounce back and have the kind of year when GS took out the Mavs on their way to the Finals and beating Boston. He played unreal on defense and offense that season.  And Klay may be a slightly better version of THJ at this point in his career. Those two years sitting out with major injuries really sapped his ability to guard and his efficiency is not nearly as good. He had quite a few stinkers (O-fers) shooting the ball this year.  It's a shame too as he was this generation's preeminent 2 guard.  I still can't sign him for an outrageous amount of money however...