Trade & FA 2024-25:

[KillerLeft]

FWIW, he’s still mentioning Jerami Grant, too, though the latest mention didn’t seem sourced, just opinion.

[JamesConway912]

I’d prefer Grant over Klay by quite a lot but we don’t know what POR is demanding. Maybe he’s not within our range. It’s not like we have a ton of stuff to move around.

Whereas in regards to Klay it looks like he will be attainable SnT-wise.

I don’t know how his defense is these days but I’d still expect him to start here all things considered. 

Really curious about the salary they’re offering.

[dirkfansince1998]

Still think that Klay is an overcorrection towards offense. He isn't joining a team to play a THJ-like role. Wants to start and/or play 30+ minutes. Better defenders will lose minutes. Also not sure if Klay is a great fit in Kidd's scheme. In his prime he was a versatile on ball defender. Could defend the best opposing scorers. But he has never been a great off ball defender. One of the reasons why his impact metrics never matched the eyetest.
Don't get me wrong. Klay was awesome. Still is on offense. But I just don't see how Luka/Kyrie/Klay can play together. Not enough minutes for POA defense if all three are playing 30+ minutes.

[Branduil]

FWIW, he’s still mentioning Jerami Grant, too, though the latest mention didn’t seem sourced, just opinion.

What's the math on paying the MLE to Jones and trading for Grant? Seems like we'd need to send out something like Green, Maxi, Powell, and Omax in addition to THJ.

[Mavs2021]

The idea was to give Luka/Kyrie some play-making and workload relief. How does Klay help in that regard? He´s virtually the same player as THJ, Hardy, Green, Grimes, Exum and DJJ. He´s played 159 play-off career games and had more than five assists, three times. He´s just another catch & shoot option, especially with reduced athleticism he´s not getting to the rim anymore. The advanced stats from the Warriors suggest you better off with CP3 or Saric. Shit for 15-18 MPG in the play-offs CP3 actually fits what we need better than Klay. Somebody that can run a 2nd unit and set up Hardy, Green, Grimes and Gafford/Lively.

[Mavs2021]

So the Blazers GM name-dropped Henderson/Sharpe to build around and they acquired Avdija as the starting SF. That means Simons is supposed to come off the bench for a tanking team. Let´s get this sh*t done. I´m starting to think Green + 1st will be enough to get Simons. Solves all our problems.

Pick and rolls, lobs, 3pt corner passes, floaters from near 3pt line (Luka will love the practice battles), iso threes, mid-range, quick release, clutch shooting, top five FT shooter in the league.

We have Grimes, DJJ, Washington, Exum for defense. He´s exactly what we are missing.

[Chicagojk]

I really don’t know how I should feel about a Klay sign and trade. So I will leave that there for now. Even after I see if the pieces moved are minimal, I just don’t know what to think. I did watch Klay highlights last night. I remember a few Mavs games he was pretty bad last year.

I have similar thoughts on Josh Green. Maybe on of my most frustrating Mavs in a while. Has a lot of the things I want in a player and seems like a great teammate. Still young! I wanted so bad to be in the front of the bus on team Josh. He is either in the wrong role, not quite ready for the role, or just can’t sustain that level of play. He has had moments where I thought he made the jump. But something always came up. I still think he can reach that level. I also think Kidd and the front office wanted more from him. I don’t think they ever fully bought in that the fully realized Green was eminent.

Even though I am unsure of Klay I will not like it if we lose DJJ. I expect the Mavs take care of DJJ and he starts. You never know though.

As a card carrying member of the Hardy fan club, I am feeling these moves and potential moves are going to make it hard for him to be here long term, I think. Omax is still young and will need time, but things are getting crowded there too. I still think he will eventually have a role here though.

Any chance Powell is moved too?

[Chicagojk]

A long time ago but this Klay game six against OKc down 3-2 had some many ripple effects and could have changed the trajectory of the league. Just one of the best performances facing elimination ever

https://youtu.be/njanF2mUtZM?si=ug7LddfeKx4wCxnl

[Mavs2021]

I really don’t know how I should feel about a Klay sign and trade.  So I will leave that there for now.  Even after I see if the pieces moved are minimal, I just don’t know what to think.  I did watch Klay highlights last night.  I remember a few Mavs games he was pretty bad last year.

I have similar thoughts on Josh Green.  Maybe on of my most frustrating Mavs in a while.  Has a lot of the things I want in a player and seems like a great teammate.  Still young!  I wanted so bad to be in the front of the bus on team Josh.  He is either in the wrong role, not quite ready for the role, or just can’t sustain that level of play.  He has had moments where I thought he made the jump.  But something always came up.  I still think he can reach that level.  I also think Kidd and the front office wanted more from him.  I don’t think they ever fully bought in that the fully realized Green was eminent.

Even though I am unsure of Klay I will not like it if we lose DJJ.  I expect the Mavs take care of DJJ and he starts.  You never know though.

As a card carrying member of the Hardy fan club, I am feeling these moves and potential moves are going to make it hard for him to be here long term, I think.  Omax is still young and will need time, but things are getting crowded there too.  I still think he will eventually have a role here though.

Any chance Powell is moved too?

I´d say there are many variations of a Klay trade.

Green + Kleber
Green + Powell
Green + Powell + Lawson

I´ll say this. IF they have to do this, I´d prefer they offer him the biggest possible two year deal now, with an intent to re-sign him on a lower figure in two years. Our problems start when Luka, Kyrie, Lively, Gafford and Washington become extension eligible (on top of Grimes/Hardy next year). So then it would be lot easier if Klay stayed on the BAE, instead of still sitting on +$20M guaranteed.

My biggest problem besides the huge injury risk is also that Green carries some trade value for a tanking team like Portland, Utah or Charlotte, so on paper you can reduce the costs, when you acquire a Grant/Simons/Sexton/Bridges (one instead of two 1sts for example) or whoever. In a Klay deal he´s just a salary-matching vehicle for us.

[dirkfansince1998]

So the Blazers GM name-dropped Henderson/Sharpe to build around and they acquired Avdija as the starting SF. That means Simons is supposed to come off the bench for a tanking team. Let´s get this sh*t done. I´m starting to think Green + 1st will be enough to get Simons. Solves all our problems.

Pick and rolls, lobs, 3pt corner passes, floaters from near 3pt line (Luka will love the practice battles), iso threes, mid-range, quick release, clutch shooting, top five FT shooter in the league.

We have Grimes, DJJ, Washington, Exum for defense. He´s exactly what we are missing.

How exactly is Green + 1st going to work when you have to match 26m in salary. And how are you bringing back DJJ if you do this?

[LukaMVP]

The idea was to give Luka/Kyrie some play-making and workload relief. How does Klay help in that regard? He´s virtually the same player as THJ, Hardy, Green, Grimes, Exum and DJJ. He´s played 159 play-off career games and had more than five assists, three times. He´s just another catch & shoot option, especially with reduced athleticism he´s not getting to the rim anymore. The advanced stats from the Warriors suggest you better off with CP3 or Saric. Shit for 15-18 MPG in the play-offs CP3 actually fits what we need better than Klay. Somebody that can run a 2nd unit and set up Hardy, Green, Grimes and Gafford/Lively.

CP would be good but his salary is an obstacle, maybe he gets waived some time later then we can sign him for vet min. I agree 100% with you bro on almost every thing you pointed out. Klay would be a good choice if he accepts MLE or something a bit bigger, but he is demanding too much financially and that would offset all the flexibility the Grimes deal had just given us, which we paid 3 picks for. and I'm not sure if Klay would be happy with a sixth man role (or a token starter, de facto sixth man). we can play him alongside either Kyrie or luka, but not both (except some rare occasions where we need scoring badly).

if we're to acquire a third option i think he should be a decent initiator in offense that can create his own shots regularly, at the very least, but that doesn't seem to be a strength for Klay tbh. he would still be an excellent role player though, given his elite shooting and massive experiences. if he could be had for less than 20m/yr (that should be the biggest figure we can afford for a role player and that would be higher than PJ's and Gifford's salaries already) on a not so long contract, I wouldn't call it a bad deal. otherwise the mavs may as well just move on tbh.

[ballsrchr]

I'm not a fan of this move. I'd rather have Green and Kleber than Klay... although I'd be fine with trading Josh Green for a better backup to Luka/Kyrie and trading Kleber for a better backup to PJW.

I agree with the above. I've been on record that I don't want Klay. I think he is over the hill and lost interest in playing. If the Mavs must trade someone--and still keep DJJ--I would go first with Josh Green. IF we end up keeping Kleber I would hope they load manage him during the regular season, so he'll be fresh for the playoffs.

Nico and the Mavs have done well so far. I'm beginning to trust that this will continue...

[Chicagojk]

Really interesting to see what Philly does. If the Mavs were in their shoes, I would be thinking of the worst right now. I wouldn’t trust committing to a Morey led team, but he typically finds a way to add talent. Just not a lot out there. Is a KcP, DeRozan and something else enough?

Btw, they had one of my favorites drafts. Even snagged a two way guy. Morey just constantly finds value in the draft.

[Chicagojk]

Playing major catchup, but I see now way the clippers accept Wiggins in a Paul George trade. Not enough. Whether you agree or not, the clippers see them as a contender. It needs to start with Kaminga imo. Then they need more.

[Mavs2021]

How exactly is Green + 1st going to work when you have to match 26m in salary. And how are you bringing back DJJ if you do this?

In terms of assets. Obviously need to include Kleber in this to match salaries.

[BigDirk41]

I'm just glad that this organization is in such a good place that people are frustrated/worried that we may some sign someone as talented as Klay Thompson. I realize this will probably be via sign and trade, but can we list all the great players that we've signed over the years better than Klay Thompson?

[dirkfansince1998]

I'm just glad that this organization is in such a good place that people are frustrated/worried that we may some sign someone as talented as Klay Thompson. I realize this will probably be via sign and trade, but can we list all the great players that we've signed over the years better than Klay Thompson?

Great players past their prime has been a theme in Dallas. I think the organizations is in a good place because they changed their approach and would be disappointed if they fall back into bad habits of the past. Klay isn't as bad as DAJ or Deron Williams when they signed with the Mavs but the vibes are similar.
It obviously comes down to the contract size but if he is asking for 20+ million and a starting role the impact/production he showed post injury simply isn't enough.

[SleepingHero]

Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Jazz are open to listening to trade offers on Lauri Markkanen, per @wojespn:

Utah was seriously in on acquiring Mikal Bridges, and now teams wonder if they will pivot to sell.

Utah would like to keep Markkanen “in a perfect world,” but teams are preparing aggressive offers.

It would take a “great, great deal” to pry Markkanen out of Utah.

[BigDirk41]

Great players past their prime has been a theme in Dallas. I think the organizations is in a good place because they changed their approach and would be disappointed if they fall back into bad habits of the past. Klay isn't as bad as DAJ or Deron Williams when they signed with the Mavs but the vibes are similar.
It obviously comes down to the contract size but if he is asking for 20+ million and a starting role the impact/production he showed post injury simply isn't enough.

With today's salaries, we'll just disagree on his value. Players make upwards of 60 million per year now. This isn't 5 years ago. 20 million for a guy that averages 18 PPG on super efficient catch and shoot 3s with high volume seems very reasonable. He's 34, not 37 or 38. His game isn't based on being a freak athlete. He catches and lets it rip 9 times a game from deep.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Klays ego is a big concern for me.

While I don’t care about who “starts”…see the Lively vs Gafford situation. I don’t think Klay can handle not starting and not closing. I think it’s a legitimate concern if you can win games with Luka, Kyrie, Klay together in the closing lineup.

If I knew Klay would be willing to be used as a chess piece, I’d feel a lot better about him.