Trade & FA 2024-25:

[LukaMVP]

Grant would be a perfect fit for us if he returns to the Denver or OKC version instead of the one after signing big contracts as he currently is, but we all know that's a big if. plus he would probably cost a lot in terms of picks and young talents which together with his big salary would shackle our further moves this offseason imho.

Portland kinda screwd our championship chance this season with their moves last summer that included: sending Jrue to Boston (bucks definitely didn't want to trade him to an eastern team); matching our offer for Thybulle. so don't get screwed again at the blazers' hands.

some top end role players would help us more than those over the hill big names. if gafford could protect rebounds better and if our role players could hit those open shots at good efficiencies I think the result would have been a bit different. if the Hawks starting rebuilding right away I think a package of bogdan and hunter plus maybe AJ (who is Dallas homeboy) as a filler would be nice for us. a good sixth man with plentiful experiences, a starting SF who can defend and shoot and a young player who can improve a lot given the right circumstances.

[KillerLeft]

Speaking so much about Bruce Brown...wonder what it would take to get him?

[Jason Terry]

Speaking so much about Bruce Brown...wonder what it would take to get him?

THJ
Powell
2025 Toronto 2nd 
2031 Mavs 2nd

? 

It’s hard to match without including Powell. I don’t think i would include the 2025 1st but it might be necessary. Or Hardy instead

[F Gump]

Speaking so much about Bruce Brown...wonder what it would take to get him?

Do you want him, if you have to pay 23M for one year, and then he might walk? I think I'd rather have DJJ.

If he's a FA, and somewhere nearer the MLE to sign via SNT, then maybe he's worth pursuing.

BTW, I don't think THJ-Powell-picks would be a legal trade. You probably need a 100% match by Dallas, and that pkg is about 3M too small.

[dirkfansince1998]

Dzanan Musa/ Madrid (29th pick in 2018): 14pts 3reb 2ast 61/41/82, 6'9 SF
Guerschon Yabusele/ Madrid (16th pick in 2016): 11pts 5reb 65/46/87, 6'8 PF
Semi Ojeleye/ Valencia (37th pick in 2017): 13pts 4reb 51/47/87, 6'6 PF
Mario Hezonja/ Madrid (5th pick in 2015):14pts 4reb 52/42/92, 6'9 SF
Kendrick Nunn/ Athens (undrafted in 2018): 16pts 3reb 3ast 47/41/96, 6'5 PG/SG

*euroleague uses 2P%/3P%/FT% splits

Is there another Exum like target in europe? Players that dropped out of the NBA for various reasons. Are ready for another opportunity.

[MAVS-SLO]

Dzanan Musa/ Madrid (29th pick in 2018): 14pts 3reb 2ast 61/41/82, 6'9 SF
Guerschon Yabusele/ Madrid (16th pick in 2016): 11pts 5reb 65/46/87, 6'8 PF
Semi Ojeleye/ Valencia (37th pick in 2017): 13pts 4reb 51/47/87, 6'6 PF
Mario Hezonja/ Madrid (5th pick in 2015):14pts 4reb 52/42/92, 6'9 SF
Kendrick Nunn/ Athens (undrafted in 2018): 16pts 3reb 3ast 47/41/96, 6'5 PG/SG

*euroleague uses 2P%/3P%/FT% splits

Is there another Exum like target in europe? Players that dropped out of the NBA for various reasons. Are ready for another opportunity.

Real Madrid players are hardly gettable. They are well paid there and probably won't be happy with bench role in NBA.

Kendrick Nunn might be the one. Had a fantastic season with Pao and also won Euroleague. There is also a Slovenian connection between GM of Panathinaikos (Sani Becirovic) who once also told Goran Dragic help him bring Nunn into Europe.

Isaac Bonga could be interesting from Bayern as well,

[JamesConway912]

I'm not totally out on the Harris idea, but I highly doubt he'd start in the circumstances you've outlined above. No offense to you or anyone else, but I keep seeing these ideas that play two 4's next to each other, and I just feel like that's willfully missing what just worked for Dallas. They need DJJ or a DJJ replacement. They already have a PJ Washington. They could use another 4 to come off the bench like Harris, Collins, whoever, but not at the sacrifice of the quicker wing, and probably only if they don't move Green (because they need two of that type, really). 

These are all great ideas for replacing Kleber, if the team really is into moving on from him. I don't think they're as ideally suited as Kleber (when healthy) because they can't play the 5 as well, but Harris and Collins CAN defend and shoot a little. Collins can even create some for himself in the post, if that's a dimension they want to add. 

But without the Jones element on the defensive end this is all pointless. That's why it's Jones or Grant for me, so far.

On paper both PJ and Harris are PF/SF types but we’re not talking about 7ft behemoths as both are very mobile. I agree to the extent that the defense would suffer a bit but the offensive flow would also improve. I’d happily live with the tradeoff here.

Maybe I’m still underselling DJJ but I don’t quite think he’s good enough as a floor spacer here in the halfcourt. At least not until you get more shooting from somewhere else in the starting lineup.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I'm not totally out on the Harris idea, but I highly doubt he'd start in the circumstances you've outlined above. No offense to you or anyone else, but I keep seeing these ideas that play two 4's next to each other, and I just feel like that's willfully missing what just worked for Dallas. They need DJJ or a DJJ replacement. They already have a PJ Washington. They could use another 4 to come off the bench like Harris, Collins, whoever, but not at the sacrifice of the quicker wing, and probably only if they don't move Green (because they need two of that type, really). 

These are all great ideas for replacing Kleber, if the team really is into moving on from him. I don't think they're as ideally suited as Kleber (when healthy) because they can't play the 5 as well, but Harris and Collins CAN defend and shoot a little. Collins can even create some for himself in the post, if that's a dimension they want to add. 

But without the Jones element on the defensive end this is all pointless. That's why it's Jones or Grant for me, so far.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you used to say the same thing about Jones…that he was a four.  I had that conversation with someone a while back and I thought it was you.

No one stays in front of SGA, so setting that as a standard is meaningless.  In the playoffs we funneled guys like that to our rim protectors.  Then SGA basically shoved Green into the first row and got off his mid-range shot.  SGA won’t shove Harris very far.  Harris has played SF a good bit in his career.  I think we’d be fine starting him with PJ (and having Jones be the third man in the PJ/Harris/Jones rotation of non centers and non-ball handlers).

I will give you credit as one of the few here who had a vision for PJ here and pushed it loudly.  But, if both PJ and Harris were signed to the same contract back in February (instead of Harris’s $45mm albatross), I’m not sure many of us would have picked PJ over Harris.  There isn’t really a single stat that argues for PJ other than the fact he’s ours now and we saw it work and we love him here.

[DanSchwartzgan]

There is a clip of Jake Fisher telling Nate Duncan that he’s heard Dallas has a way of clearing room for Jones without using THJ or Maxi.  Duncan kind of talks over him and Jake doesn’t finish his thought on the clip I heard on X.  I think the insinuation is Green goes out to create the room for Jones Jr. (and brings back an asset).  Then, we are free to trade THJ or THJ/Maxi for someone.

I’ve already pointed out that Green fits neatly into the NT MLE which can be used for trades starting this summer.  Another way that this could happen is Green could be traded into a current TPE and it could happen in June as long as the TPE is big enough to defeat his PP status.  CBA Mavs wrote about trading Green’s PP contract for Mav’s Moneyball back in February.  He puts the number needed at $11.44mm (the average of Green’s 23/24 salary and all of his extension salary).

Currently, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis and Washington have a TPE that large.  The one I find interesting is Washington.  They have a late first, a need for someone like Green and enough room to take him in without getting into the tax for 23/24.  They also have the 2nd pick, so trading #26 doesn’t mean they are going without a pick.  For Dallas, the deal is basically Green for #26 and Jones Jr. as the deal provides the pathway to keeping DJJ.

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role.  The moment we sign DJJ to more than $5.2mm, we are hard capped at the first apron.  So any THJ+ deal we make needs to have returning salary that is very close to the outgoing.  It doesn’t have to be less than 100% of the outgoing since we are already hard capped.  But, depending on what DJJ takes, we don’t have much room under the apron to work with.

[The Jom]

Man, I dislike Tobias Harris’s game. Sure hope that’s not really in the plans. Seems like the ultimate first-quarter player who fades in proportion to any sort of rising stakes.

[DanSchwartzgan]

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role. 

BTW, for those wanting J. Grant, this could be a path to getting him without sending multiple guards to a guard heavy team.  Green to Washington for #26 as outlined.  THJ/Maxi/#26/2025 for Grant/#34/#40.  DJJ doesn’t quite get the full NT MLE here, but I don’t have my spreadsheet to plug in the numbers.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Jones Jr., Hardy, Exum

[Chicagojk]

There is a clip of Jake Fisher telling Nate Duncan that he’s heard Dallas has a way of clearing room for Jones without using THJ or Maxi.  Duncan kind of talks over him and Jake doesn’t finish his thought on the clip I heard on X.  I think the insinuation is Green goes out to create the room for Jones Jr. (and brings back an asset).  Then, we are free to trade THJ or THJ/Maxi for someone.

I’ve already pointed out that Green fits neatly into the NT MLE which can be used for trades starting this summer.  Another way that this could happen is Green could be traded into a current TPE and it could happen in June as long as the TPE is big enough to defeat his PP status.  CBA Mavs wrote about trading Green’s PP contract for Mav’s Moneyball back in February.  He puts the number needed at $11.44mm (the average of Green’s 23/24 salary and all of his extension salary).

Currently, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis and Washington have a TPE that large.  The one I find interesting is Washington.  They have a late first, a need for someone like Green and enough room to take him in without getting into the tax for 23/24.  They also have the 2nd pick, so trading #26 doesn’t mean they are going without a pick.  For Dallas, the deal is basically Green for #26 and Jones Jr. as the deal provides the pathway to keeping DJJ.

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role.  The moment we sign DJJ to more than $5.2mm, we are hard capped at the first apron.  So any THJ+ deal we make needs to have returning salary that is very close to the outgoing.  It doesn’t have to be less than 100% of the outgoing since we are already hard capped.  But, depending on what DJJ takes, we don’t have much room under the apron to work with.

The old Mavs leadership would have screwed something like this so bad.  Trade Green, miss on the draft picks and then Jones Je signs somewhere else

[Smitty]

BTW, for those wanting J. Grant, this could be a path to getting him without sending multiple guards to a guard heavy team.  Green to Washington for #26 as outlined.  THJ/Maxi/#26/2025 for Grant/#34/#40.  DJJ doesn’t quite get the full NT MLE here, but I don’t have my spreadsheet to plug in the numbers.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Jones Jr., Hardy, Exum

I’m not a big fan of Grant. I am a big fan of Green. But I could see how this would be something the Mavs would look to do.

THJ doesn’t matter. Losing Maxi stings a bit but I want Omax to take over that role anyway. So essentially it’s trading Green and ‘25 FRP for Grant and 2 SRP’s?

Goes against Nico saying they won’t touch the top 7-8 minutes played guys from the playoffs.

Luka 900 min
Kyrie 879 min
PJW 785 min
DJJ 647 min
Lively 462 min
Gaff 445 min
Green 399 min
Maxi 219 min *Would have played more but injured*

9) THJ 178 min
10) Exum 144 min
11) Hardy 129 min

[loki]

If they can move Green for a pick, I'd be pretty happy to package that pick with THJ+Kleber+25 for Cam Johnson. I think he makes more sense than Grant as he would be willing to come off the bench and his contract doesn't hamstring you to the same degree.

Kyrie/Hardy
DJJ/Exum
Luka/Omax
PJ/Cam
Lively/Gafford

[mvossman]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you used to say the same thing about Jones…that he was a four.  I had that conversation with someone a while back and I thought it was you.

No one stays in front of SGA, so setting that as a standard is meaningless.  In the playoffs we funneled guys like that to our rim protectors.  Then SGA basically shoved Green into the first row and got off his mid-range shot.  SGA won’t shove Harris very far.  Harris has played SF a good bit in his career.  I think we’d be fine starting him with PJ (and having Jones be the third man in the PJ/Harris/Jones rotation of non centers and non-ball handlers).

I will give you credit as one of the few here who had a vision for PJ here and pushed it loudly.  But, if both PJ and Harris were signed to the same contract back in February (instead of Harris’s $45mm albatross), I’m not sure many of us would have picked PJ over Harris.  There isn’t really a single stat that argues for PJ other than the fact he’s ours now and we saw it work and we love him here.

We love PJ here because he has been playing defense at a very high level since he got here.  Harris is an average defender at best right now.  In my mind when you have Luka and Kyrie in the starting lineup, switching out defense for offense is a losing proposition.  The offense is diminishing returns and we saw what a difference it makes when you put the right defensive pieces around them.

Your SGA comments sounds like there is no point in having a POA defender because SGA will just blow by him.  I believe switching DJJ for Harris would make us much more vulnerable at the perimeter.  I would be more interested in Harris offense on the second unit when one of Luka or Kyrie are off the court.

[DanSchwartzgan]

We love PJ here because he has been playing defense at a very high level since he got here.  Harris is an average defender at best right now.  In my mind when you have Luka and Kyrie in the starting lineup, switching out defense for offense is a losing proposition.  The offense is diminishing returns and we saw what a difference it makes when you put the right defensive pieces around them.

Your SGA comments sounds like there is no point in having a POA defender because SGA will just blow by him.  I believe switching DJJ for Harris would make us much more vulnerable at the perimeter.  I would be more interested in Harris offense on the second unit when one of Luka or Kyrie are off the court.

I think the greatest lesson of the finals was that we need more O, but need to do it in a way that we aren’t giving up much D.  I agree that I’d want Harris in when one of Luka/Kyrie is sitting.  But, that doesn’t necessarily equate with not starting.  Ultimately, it is a rotation.  If Harris comes off the bench, fine.  He and PJ and Jones are all going to get their minutes.  If Harris starts and 5 minutes into the game he or Kyrie sits, that works too.

[mvossman]

BTW, for those wanting J. Grant, this could be a path to getting him without sending multiple guards to a guard heavy team.  Green to Washington for #26 as outlined.  THJ/Maxi/#26/2025 for Grant/#34/#40.  DJJ doesn’t quite get the full NT MLE here, but I don’t have my spreadsheet to plug in the numbers.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Jones Jr., Hardy, Exum

I could get behind this with my usual caveat that Grant is interested in the role we need him for.  Its been years since he has played defense at the level we would need him to.

[SleepingHero]

Real Madrid players are hardly gettable. They are well paid there and probably won't be happy with bench role in NBA.

Kendrick Nunn might be the one. Had a fantastic season with Pao and also won Euroleague. There is also a Slovenian connection between GM of Panathinaikos (Sani Becirovic) who once also told Goran Dragic help him bring Nunn into Europe.

Isaac Bonga could be interesting from Bayern as well,

Well its funny you mention that because both Musa and Hezonja have NBA-out clauses in their contracts with Real Madrid. Hezonja just signed a 3 year, 6 mil euro deal. Essentially 3 year 6.5 million deal in the NBA. A vet min contract would have him earn more per year than with Madrid. 

Real Madrid has funds for football, they cannot compare to NBA teams in basketball though.

[mvossman]

I think the greatest lesson of the finals was that we need more O, but need to do it in a way that we aren’t giving up much D.  I agree that I’d want Harris in when one of Luka/Kyrie is sitting.  But, that doesn’t necessarily equate with not starting.  Ultimately, it is a rotation.  If Harris comes off the bench, fine.  He and PJ and Jones are all going to get their minutes.  If Harris starts and 5 minutes into the game he or Kyrie sits, that works too.

I agree with your first sentence, but place just as much emphasis on the second part as the first.  From a playoffs perspective, there will be 15-20 minutes of game time where one of Luka or Kyrie are not playing.  That is when Harris would be most useful.  Those are the minutes that THJ/Hardy/Exum struggled.  I do like the idea of getting that offensive boost from a backup 4.  That way we can keep Maxi as a 5 out center and not eat into developmental minutes for Hardy during the regular season.  Playing Harris with the starting unit is probably a net wash, maybe matchup dependent.  He is much more valuable in the regular season when one of Luka/Kyrie are out (which will be fairly often).

[Scott41theMavs]

There is a clip of Jake Fisher telling Nate Duncan that he’s heard Dallas has a way of clearing room for Jones without using THJ or Maxi.  Duncan kind of talks over him and Jake doesn’t finish his thought on the clip I heard on X.  I think the insinuation is Green goes out to create the room for Jones Jr. (and brings back an asset).  Then, we are free to trade THJ or THJ/Maxi for someone.

I’ve already pointed out that Green fits neatly into the NT MLE which can be used for trades starting this summer.  Another way that this could happen is Green could be traded into a current TPE and it could happen in June as long as the TPE is big enough to defeat his PP status.  CBA Mavs wrote about trading Green’s PP contract for Mav’s Moneyball back in February.  He puts the number needed at $11.44mm (the average of Green’s 23/24 salary and all of his extension salary).

Currently, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis and Washington have a TPE that large.  The one I find interesting is Washington.  They have a late first, a need for someone like Green and enough room to take him in without getting into the tax for 23/24.  They also have the 2nd pick, so trading #26 doesn’t mean they are going without a pick.  For Dallas, the deal is basically Green for #26 and Jones Jr. as the deal provides the pathway to keeping DJJ.

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role.  The moment we sign DJJ to more than $5.2mm, we are hard capped at the first apron.  So any THJ+ deal we make needs to have returning salary that is very close to the outgoing.  It doesn’t have to be less than 100% of the outgoing since we are already hard capped.  But, depending on what DJJ takes, we don’t have much room under the apron to work with.

This post terrified me when I first read it because my first thought was, "Oh, the 26th pick. Watch us use it to make sure we get Bronny."