Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[surfpuckmd]

That's completely not true.  He wasn't an NBA starter-level player until his full year in DET.  They signed Grant.  HOU signed him for 3 years.  HOU traded him for a FRP.

This was the only failed stop for Wood (as an NBA starter-level player).  He's going to ball out in LAL.  Wood/AD is an amazing combo.

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Had they not matched Thybulle, J.Green would be appealing to them.  I just don't know what we have that they'd want, other than the 27FRP.

I think he's worth Jaden Hardy but you'd have to find a third team who would be interested in Hardy.  I'm very bullish on Jaden Hardy but Robert Williams would be an awesome fit here and I think is one of the most talented players who's likely available in a trade right now.  

I think the following trade would work:

Dallas sends Jaden Hardy to the Nets and Richaun Holmes to Portland. 

Brooklyn sends Trenton Watford to the Blazers along with the Mavericks 2029 1st round pick and four 2nd rounders.   

Portland sends Robert Williams and Toumani Camara to Dallas. 

The Mavericks get an elite defensive center in a risky gamble. 

The Nets get a talented young creator in exchange for draft capital.  That team needs players who can create offense. 

Portland adds further draft capital.  

I think this would work for everyone.  Hopefully, Nico and Mark read this and make some phone calls.

[RGP1981]

Who says no?

Norm Powell to Mavs
THJ to Miami
Brogdon to Clippers
D. Robinson to Portland

(Perhaps, the Clippers and/or Miami send something to Portland)

[omahen]

Who says no?

Norm Powell to Mavs
THJ to Miami
Brogdon to Clippers
D. Robinson to Portland

(Perhaps, the Clippers and/or Miami send something to Portland)

Clippers are giving up best player in the deal for one they didn't want to trade for when they had a chance (and the price wouldn't be Powell in that case, it would be someone like Morris that is very expendable on their team). So they definitely say no. 

Not sure Miami really profits by the THJ-Robinson swap. Robinson had a bad season, but was very good in playoffs. 

I like Brogdon, he would be certainly a much better fit than THJ on this team. Great 6th man, allowing Mavs to always have two ball handlers on the court. Can even play with Luka and Irving together. But, looks like he has some injury concerns that is turning teams away from him.

[mvossman]

Who says no?

Norm Powell to Mavs
THJ to Miami
Brogdon to Clippers
D. Robinson to Portland

(Perhaps, the Clippers and/or Miami send something to Portland)

The Mavs?  Is Norman Powell really an upgrade over Timmy?  They are roughly the same animal.  He also has a longer worse contract.

[KillerLeft]

Who says no?

Norm Powell to Mavs
THJ to Miami
Brogdon to Clippers
D. Robinson to Portland

(Perhaps, the Clippers and/or Miami send something to Portland)

Portland says no. Very quickly.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Who says no?

Norm Powell to Mavs
THJ to Miami
Brogdon to Clippers
D. Robinson to Portland

(Perhaps, the Clippers and/or Miami send something to Portland)

I think the THJ to MIA, Brogdon to LAC parts work.  I actually like MIA as a 3rd team in a THJ trade.

[ItsGoTime]

I think Mia will be after Harden, and they could be the highest bidder. After striking out twice with Por, they have to be getting antsy about improving upon the players they lost, right?

[omahen]

I think Mia will be after Harden, and they could be the highest bidder. After striking out twice with Por, they have to be getting antsy about improving upon the players they lost, right?

Perhaps, but several question marks. Harden doesn't fit the Heat culture, like at all. Huge danger for immediate troubles. I don't think Miami would give Herro for Harden, so it would have to be Lowry. Sure available Lowry is better than non available Harden for Philly, but is Lowry and some draft assets really enough for Philly? They keep their flexibility next year, but are probably out of contention this season. Perhaps best bet for Philly is a gamble that some star wants out till TDL and make a move then. They will have Maxey as a huge asset to be included in a deal for the right player. I think they can always move Harden for expirings and some draft capital, if no star gets available.

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I think the THJ to MIA, Brogdon to LAC parts work.  I actually like MIA as a 3rd team in a THJ trade.

Clippers rejected Brogdon trade for lesser players than Powell...

[KillerLeft]

I think Mia will be after Harden, and they could be the highest bidder. After striking out twice with Por, they have to be getting antsy about improving upon the players they lost, right?

Man, I might be wrong, but I'm honestly not sure anyone wants Harden. The problem is that you're signing up to have to pay Harden. FFFFFFFF that.

[ItsGoTime]

Man, I might be wrong, but I'm honestly not sure anyone wants Harden. The problem is that you're signing up to have to pay Harden. FFFFFFFF that.

I wonder if there is a way to get a 3rd or even 4th team involved to get off of their many already overpaid players? The heart of the trade would be Herro for Harden, but if Mia can get off of Lowry too? Is that enough to make it worth it? They would probably have to put a package together that is close to the Lillard trade, but would be looking for better fitting pieces on contracts that are more fitting the player, as well as players that are win now pieces. That'll take a lot of their draft capital IMO, but there are teams out there that'll take a player like Lowry for draft capital and try to up their value and trade them off again (looking at OKC, but they are the model for this type transaction).

[ItsGoTime]

Perhaps, but several question marks. Harden doesn't fit the Heat culture, like at all. Huge danger for immediate troubles. I don't think Miami would give Herro for Harden, so it would have to be Lowry. Sure available Lowry is better than non available Harden for Philly, but is Lowry and some draft assets really enough for Philly? They keep their flexibility next year, but are probably out of contention this season. Perhaps best bet for Philly is a gamble that some star wants out till TDL and make a move then. They will have Maxey as a huge asset to be included in a deal for the right player. I think they can always move Harden for expirings and some draft capital, if no star gets available.

So I get the Heat culture thing, and I really want them to get Harden and see how Butler would actually tolerate Harden (hoping for fireworks). That team seems to mostly band together though, and they certainly have the defense to make up for Harden's lack thereof. Certainly is a gamble, but I can't honestly believe they think that same team sans the players they lost will do better this year than last (which really seemed to be kinda lightning in a bottle anyway, speaking of which, I have the same thought about Denver too). Getting Lillard was an attempt to get their offense rolling, because they have the defense. Harden is a step in that same direction, albeit a lesser one more than likely. If any team can get Harden on board with their way of doing things, it's the Heat IMO. If Harden can get back to being some semblance of what he used to be while fitting in with the team (has the last few years humbled him?), that would be an improved team from last year.

[omahen]

Vecenie thinks Brogdon is valued around 3 to 4 SRP and more or less "dead" salary. Thinks Houston is most logical destination (trading Porter, Tate and 4 second rounders). I guess the article was written before Houston chose Bullock. Clippers, Orlando, Philly and Toronto are also mentioned as most likely destinations.

https://theathletic.com/4920228/2023/10/...ets-magic/

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Perhaps, but several question marks. Harden doesn't fit the Heat culture, like at all. Huge danger for immediate troubles. I don't think Miami would give Herro for Harden, so it would have to be Lowry. Sure available Lowry is better than non available Harden for Philly, but is Lowry and some draft assets really enough for Philly? They keep their flexibility next year, but are probably out of contention this season. Perhaps best bet for Philly is a gamble that some star wants out till TDL and make a move then. They will have Maxey as a huge asset to be included in a deal for the right player. I think they can always move Harden for expirings and some draft capital, if no star gets available.

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Clippers rejected Brogdon trade for lesser players than Powell...

Really?  Who?  Brogdon to LAC makes all the sense in the world.  I don't know what the cost would be, but they need a starting PG, with few available.

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Vecenie thinks Brogdon is valued around 3 to 4 SRP and more or less "dead" salary. Thinks Houston is most logical destination (trading Porter, Tate and 4 second rounders). I guess the article was written before Houston chose Bullock. Clippers, Orlando, Philly and Toronto are also mentioned as most likely destinations.

https://theathletic.com/4920228/2023/10/...ets-magic/

That's a hard trade to value, given KPJ is such a negative asset.  I still say Holmes/? for KPJ/Eason is ideal for both.

[omahen]

Really?  Who?  Brogdon to LAC makes all the sense in the world.  I don't know what the cost would be, but they need a starting PG, with few available.

They had concerns regarding his health status on draft night and removed from the KP to Boston deal. Boston had to do the Smart version of it consequently.

[omahen]

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That's a hard trade to value, given KPJ is such a negative asset.  I still say Holmes/? for KPJ/Eason is ideal for both.

KPJ is basically a 17 mil expiring, which is approximately lottery protected FRP or something like 4 SRP. The issue is that no one really wants to trade for him, no matter the price. Tate is probably a positive value, something like a couple of SRP. 

I think KPJ deals are off the table, at least at this point.

[Chicagojk]

Vecenie thinks Brogdon is valued around 3 to 4 SRP and more or less "dead" salary. Thinks Houston is most logical destination (trading Porter, Tate and 4 second rounders). I guess the article was written before Houston chose Bullock. Clippers, Orlando, Philly and Toronto are also mentioned as most likely destinations.

https://theathletic.com/4920228/2023/10/...ets-magic/

Sort of off topic, but I have no idea what to think of the clippers.  Still plenty of talent?  Did they miss their window?   Can they stay healthy?

I just wonder how adding another guardish type player fits for them.  A lot of mouths to feed.  Westbrook fit in really well there to end the season, but I think it is a little troubling when they have a full squad.  Westbrook knows to play one way.   Could lead to trouble.   

Of those teams, Orlando seems like a nice fit.  They need a veteran.  Supposedly, Anthony is on the outs moving forward.    A nice veteran may help them take the next step in the short run.

[RGP1981]

Vecenie thinks Brogdon is valued around 3 to 4 SRP and more or less "dead" salary. Thinks Houston is most logical destination (trading Porter, Tate and 4 second rounders). I guess the article was written before Houston chose Bullock. Clippers, Orlando, Philly and Toronto are also mentioned as most likely destinations.

https://theathletic.com/4920228/2023/10/...ets-magic/

I would like to trade THJ for that deal, lol. Even if they cut out a couple of 2nd rounders.

And if anyone is against trading for Kevin Porter Jr, well, don't underestimate the soothing and calming powers of Kyrie's sage rituals.

They could make KPJ turn over a new leaf.

[RGP1981]

The Mavs?  Is Norman Powell really an upgrade over Timmy?  They are roughly the same animal.  He also has a longer worse contract.

Not the same... Powell is a better, more tenacious defender and is a better play-maker. He also has a better 3PT%, despite THJ having more of a reputation as a 3PT shooter. THJ is of course slightly taller. There are teams who might believe THJ better fits what they need at SG.

I think it would be silly to keep THJ if there's a chance to trade him for Powell, simply because Powell's contract is 1-year longer. I think the Mavs are in win-now or win-next-year mode, or else Luka is out of here.

[mvossman]

Not the same... Powell is a better, more tenacious defender and is a better play-maker. He also has a better 3PT%, despite THJ having more of a reputation as a 3PT shooter. THJ is of course slightly taller. There are teams who might believe THJ better fits what they need at SG.

I think it would be silly to keep THJ if there's a chance to trade him for Powell, simply because Powell's contract is 1-year longer. I think the Mavs are in win-now or win-next-year mode, or else Luka is out of here.

Is Norman a better playmaker?  Timmy averages more assists and fewer turnovers per game.

They are maybe a wash from 3.  Norman has a little better percentage, but Timmy shoots more volume.

Is Norman a better defender than Timmy?  His on/off the last two seasons has been terrible.  The advanced stats say he is worse than Timmy.  

They are very similar players who fit the same profile, shooters with suspect defense.  Its a profile this team does not really need, which is why they have been trying to trade away Tim for two years.  Why would we swap Tim for a similar player who wont make a significantly better impact on the court (recent evidence would suggest it will be worse) and will be a harder contract to get rid of?

[RGP1981]

Is Norman a better playmaker?  Timmy averages more assists and fewer turnovers per game.

They are maybe a wash from 3.  Norman has a little better percentage, but Timmy shoots more volume.

Is Norman a better defender than Timmy?  His on/off the last two seasons has been terrible.  The advanced stats say he is worse than Timmy.  

They are very similar players who fit the same profile, shooters with suspect defense.  Its a profile this team does not really need, which is why they have been trying to trade away Tim for two years.  Why would we swap Tim for a similar player who wont make a significantly better impact on the court (recent evidence would suggest it will be worse) and will be a harder contract to get rid of?

Let's agree to disagree. Timmy over Norm Powell, on a team that has Luka + Kyrie? You're having a laugh. If you actually believe this, I don't really know how to respond to that, and so I will pass. Heck, I would also De'Anthony Melton, over THJ, (for Melton's ability to play tenacious defense on the opposing team's best guard).